Megathread TERFs / Trans-Exclusionary Radical Feminists / Gender Critical Feminists - ft. r/GenderCritical & related reddits, Mancheeze, Cathy Brennan, GCDad, RadFHarva, Jamie Shupe, etc; "Gender Critical Feminism is Homophobic" - Cathy Brennan, 2019.

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

wdym a trait that makes you not attracted to the one thing you need to pass on your genetic traits isn't genetic? that doesn't make sense

The creative writing that the social science crew throws out there to try to rationally explain this one is some choice copium.

"It's because um having a sensitive uncle who appreciates Martha Graham ballets is uh an evolutionary BOON! Because of uh how they can um support the mom by uh...giving her...um extra food? and Martha Graham tickets?"

 

[Oilspill Battery]

The creative writing that the social science crew throws out there to try to rationally explain this one is some choice copium.

"It's because um having a sensitive uncle who appreciates Martha Graham ballets is uh an evolutionary BOON! Because of uh how they can um support the mom by uh...giving her...um extra food? and Martha Graham tickets?"

Yeah I've seen this copium a million times and its insulting how little effort is put into it. Not insulting toward us, but insulting toward the people who are supposed to buy into it considering how much they "fucking love science".

"A gay uncle can actually adopt the kids if something happens to the parents, so its an evolutionary boon that helps survival!"

Why, what happened to the grandparents? And what would stop the uncle from adopting the kids if he had a wife? Or any other member of the extended family for that matter? Or anyone else in the tribe? Ontop of that if that is the point, why gay instead of just infertile? And if its actually meant to help, why is it so incredibly rare and hyper specific and seemingly so weirdly flexible and unquantifiable?

Did everyone in ancient greece and rome with the gay/bisexual gene dissapear overnight? Or were they gay/bisexual without the gene somehow? If it was social back then, then why is genetic now?

Even further with the uncle, wouldn't having an extra elderly mouth to feed that incapable of producing kids to help after they grow too old to produce actually put a strain on the tribe's survival?

And if this is about survival and evolutionary boons, how do you account for the massive STD spread that would cause far more damage to the entire community around them, especially in a world without antibiotics? Tearing your colon open on the daily and smearing shit on your dick already spreads diseases like crazy with modern medical science, they're plaguebringers now but back then they must have been literal hosemen of pestilence.

I'm embarassed I used to buy into that shit when I was younger but that's because I wasn't involved in political discussion so I never gave it much thought.

I don't understand how anyone with even the slightest bit of critical thought involved in any political conversation online that has seen all these arguments refuses to even examine consider the possibility that something isn't right. Like you don't have to go full 4chan/kiwifarms overnight, but surely even the tiniest hint of doubt or consideration that "Maybe they're not being entirely 100% honest about absolutely everything."

 

[Chongqing]

wdym a trait that makes you not attracted to the one thing you need to pass on your genetic traits isn't genetic? that doesn't make sense

Prove it for the first time ever, then. Prove the mechanism that makes someone gay.

"A gay uncle can actually adopt the kids if something happens to the parents, so its an evolutionary boon that helps survival!"

I supported gay marriage before it was legal because I bought the big lie that gay people would adopt children, and the world is full of orphans. I can't believe how wrong I was. I've met married gays and lesbians, all of them had designer babies with the outside sperm or egg being someone they picked based off of attractiveness.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

wdym a trait that makes you not attracted to the one thing you need to pass on your genetic traits isn't genetic? that doesn't make sense

Even if we take it seriously for a moment, the only way it could get passed along is if it were recessive and not expressed in someone (they're straight) or they suppressed their homosexuality and married someone of the opposite sex.

In other words, a genetic disorder like tay sachs or sickle cell.

The fact that the number of LGBTQ people hovered at around 3 percent for many years would indicate that. If it stayed at 3 percent, and not get any higher, that would indicate that it is indeed genetic, and no, it is in no way advantageous because such people cannot pass their genes along.

You gotta remember tho, now that fags and troons have gotten everything they could have ever wanted on a silver platter, not even they claim that faggotry is inborn anymore. Now that they've gotten more bold, they've let slip the simple fact that gays are made, not born.

Whether it's genetic or not, homosexuality is a disorder, an alternative lifestyle at best, and to treat it as equal to heterosexuality is to do both society and the gays themselves a huge disfavor.

I supported gay marriage before it was legal because I bought the big lie that gay people would adopt children, and the world is full of orphans. I can't believe how wrong I was. I've met married gays and lesbians, all of them had designer babies with the outside sperm or egg being someone they picked based off of attractiveness.

I did so on the assumption that, regardless of how I personally thought about homosexuality, that gay marriage wouldn't affect me, that gays would shut the fuck up and stop whining once they got what they wanted. They've only gotten worse since then.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Prove it for the first time ever, then. Prove the mechanism that makes someone gay.

Childhood molestation.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/0145213492900878

Comparative data of childhood and adolescence molestation in heterosexual and homosexual persons - PubMed

In research with 942 nonclinical adult participants, gay men and lesbian women reported a significantly higher rate of childhood molestation than did heterosexual men and women. Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Comparing the Rates of Early Childhood Victimization across Sexual Orientations: Heterosexual, Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, and Mostly Heterosexual

Few studies have examined the rates of childhood victimization among individuals who identify as “mostly heterosexual” (MH) in comparison to other sexual orientation groups. For the present study, we utilized a more comprehensive assessment of adverse childhood experiences to extend prior...

journals.plos.org

Something like 40-50% of gay men admit to being molested as kids compared compared to 7% of normal people. Childhood abuse is directly correlated with homosexuality.

This was the actual eye opener for me that made me realize the whole thing was a grift. I've yet to see anyone actually meaningfuly attempt to explain this without admiting the entire lgbt movement is a grift.

No actually wait, I have and its fucking hillarious:

A major study of child abuse and homosexuality revisited – Warren Throckmorton

This ^ attempts to explain the disparity of childhood molestation rates and claim that being molested doesn't make you gay. They don't even attempt to dispute the statistics (which tye admit are true), they just provide alternative explenation for why so many gay men were molested as kids. Their explenation? "Gay kids had it coming by being sluts."

I supported gay marriage before it was legal because I bought the big lie that gay people would adopt children, and the world is full of orphans. I can't believe how wrong I was.

Ah yeah, that one is also common too and it fails even harder when you account for statistics.

They are 3% of the population (being generous), of said 3% we know for a fact that 50% gets fisted by a different strangers every night and only 20% are monogamous, so we can immediately cut that down to 0.6%. We also know that on average 90% of people fail to adopt.

10% of 0.6 is 0.06.

Even if we go with the premise that kids don't actually need male and female role models in the home and that gay couples are 100% perfect valid parents, which they aren't because kids DO need both role models in their life, even the terfiest of terfs have to concde that if they want to claim men and women are different/not interchangable, even if we do accept that premise, the final claim is that basically 0.06% of the poplation is what's standing between us and an orphan free world.

People actually believe this btw.

I've met married gays and lesbians, all of them had designer babies with the outside sperm or egg being someone they picked based off of attractiveness.

Renting body parts of poor women because you can't stop sucking cock for 5 minutes is perfectly progressive you shitlord.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

I supported gay marriage before it was legal because I bought the big lie that gay people would adopt children, and the world is full of orphans. I can't believe how wrong I was. I've met married gays and lesbians, all of them had designer babies with the outside sperm or egg being someone they picked based off of attractiveness.

And the cat ladies who show up to negrate everyone in this thread periodically not only aren't adopting orphans, they by and large are child"free"/child hater types who revel in abortion and act like young humans are mere disease vectors or cosmic punishments for heterosexuality. The average gay man has a similar shit attitude.

The fact that the number of LGBTQ people hovered at around 3 percent for many years would indicate that. If it stayed at 3 percent, and not get any higher, that would indicate that it is indeed genetic, and no, it is in no way advantageous because such people cannot pass their genes along.

Never forget- they include all the bisexual on paper for clout chicks and people who identify as omnisexual and manifest it by being asexual with a weird haircut, to get to that 3%. The actual percent of exclusive homosexuals is right around 1 percent.

Which makes it less common as a congenital anomaly (assuming that's what it is- I go more with Oilspill's hypothesis) than structural heart malformations.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

Which makes it less common as a congenital anomaly (assuming that's what it is- I go more with Oilspill's hypothesis) than structural heart malformations.

Yep. The mere fact that the percentage of faggots/troons in the general population is increasing is proof that gays/troons are made, not born. Otherwise the percentage would remain stagnant.

And yet they look at the increasing percentage and go, "So progressive, UwU," and not, "Huh, maybe people have enough moral agency to not engage in this clearly self-defeating, disordered sexual practice, and thus it is not at all unfair to exclude homosexuals from institutions reserved for those who actually carry the fucking species."

Even infertile heterosexual couples can contribute more to society than fag couples can. And that's assuming said fag couples are even capable of abiding by the same oath to remain faithful to each other.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Yep. The mere fact that the percentage of faggots/troons in the general population is increasing is proof that gays/troons are made, not born. Otherwise the percentage would remain stagnant.

And yet they look at the increasing percentage and go, "So progressive, UwU," and not, "Huh, maybe people have enough moral agency to not engage in this clearly self-defeating, disordered sexual practice, and thus it is not at all unfair to exclude them from insitutions reserved for those who actually carry the fucking species."

Even infertile heterosexual couples can contribute more to society than fag couples can. And that's assuming said fag couples are even capable of abiding by the same oath to remain faithful to each other.

The main argument is "They were always around except now they're free to actually be themselves." which is another one of those things that make sense as long as you don't actually think about it.

For one most of the surveys/studies were annonymous to begin with. The percentage wasn't created by counting people at pride parades. Hidding it in public makes sense, hidding it in private does not.

Ontop of that if they were always around we'd see people from all walks of life coming out instead of just kids.

And this is ontop of all the other points raised above about "lesbians until graduation", "bisexuals in name only" and "spicy straights".

It really is incredible how the cornerstone of terf ideology is "Gay is the natural state of being and heterosexuality is imposed."

Its such an abject denial of reality to the point where it seems borderline culty. Never seen a terf actually justify comphet in the context of "how is humanity still around then?"

 

[negativlad]

Clearly because every one of the 40 billion humans born so far in history was a product of comphet RAPE. We have been RAPING for hundreds of thousands of years and it will never end until women can safely procreate in laboratories, Hadron-smashing their eggs together to create bizarro genetic chimeras with palsy, without those dirty RAPIST men ruining everything.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

The main argument is "They were always around except now they're free to actually be themselves." which is another one of those things that make sense as long as you don't actually think about it.

Especially when you realize that when you look at the data (in regards to mental/emotional health and suicide rates), that even those people were clearly happier when they were NOT free to "be themselves."

 

[Dylan]

I'm into greek love cuz of Solid Snake's Fine PlayStation 2 ass, and then RE5 happened and I was SOLD.

 

[FarmVille]

It really is incredible how the cornerstone of terf ideology is "Gay is the natural state of being and heterosexuality is imposed."

Damn it’s like Sir Elliot rose from the dead talking’ to me on the farms with that grade-A incel energy

 

[Oilspill Battery]

Damn it’s like Sir Elliot rose from the dead talking’ to me on the farms with that grade-A incel energy

They literally openly admit it, how have you never heard of "comphet"?

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

They literally openly admit it, how have you never heard of "comphet"?

It's so mind-bendingly cluster B how they simultaneously push forth that theory and sneer condescending denial at anyone who notices it.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

It's so mind-bendingly cluster B how they simultaneously push forth that theory and sneer condescending denial at anyone who notices it.

Its because they know its absurd and stupid enough to have plausible deniability to anyone not already familiar with it.

Its the same thing with trannies going "whaaaaaat, we would never perform surgery on kids what could you possibly be talking about"

When the layman hears this they're gonna go yeah "yeah idk man that sounds pretty crazy are you sure they actually do/believe that?

As usual, this is just another reminder terfs created trannies, hence trannies are copying the terf playbook.

What you're witnessing is just the OG form of the same gaslighting you see with SRS/Hormones by the genderspecials.

 

[EverlyB]

The main argument is "They were always around except now they're free to actually be themselves." which is another one of those things that make sense as long as you don't actually think about it.

For one most of the surveys/studies were annonymous to begin with. The percentage wasn't created by counting people at pride parades. Hidding it in public makes sense, hidding it in private does not.

Ontop of that if they were always around we'd see people from all walks of life coming out instead of just kids.

And this is ontop of all the other points raised above about "lesbians until graduation", "bisexuals in name only" and "spicy straights".

It really is incredible how the cornerstone of terf ideology is "Gay is the natural state of being and heterosexuality is imposed."

Its such an abject denial of reality to the point where it seems borderline culty. Never seen a terf actually justify comphet in the context of "how is humanity still around then?"

Especially when you realize that when you look at the data (in regards to mental/emotional health and suicide rates), that even those people were clearly happier when they were NOT free to "be themselves."

Bless KiwiFarms for staying up. It's so refreshing to read this blunt homosexuality truthpilling.

It's insidiously wrong to talk about gay acceptance with kids - not because it's inappropriate sexual talk, but because it isn't. The whole thing is an infohazard that kids deserve to be sheltered from.

When you're an adult, you understand the seriousness of sex and marriage. You know it's not just "what people do when they love each other," as there have been plenty of people you could've gladly married but you understand you shouldn't have. You understand how single mothers' parenting looks different from the influence of married parents, how nurturing compassion needs to be balanced by properly masculine authoritative discipline, how children need a mother and a father. You've witnessed true sexual deviance in all its disgustingness and how "shut up and let people do what makes them happy" is such a trivializing tone-deaf response. By this time, your stance isn't just a matter of quoting scripture. You understand its basis in reality.

But show children two mommies, or two men having a wedding, and say, "They love each other just like your mom and dad do!", and how can they dispute that?

When you're a kid, you're in no place to judge who has a proper marriage and who should've never been married. You trust that grown-ups are "in love" before you have any concept of it personally. And you know love is good. Anyone who would want to tear people's "love" apart just sounds like a hateful meanie.

Adults who grew up before same-sex marriage was in the Overton window, like Obama and Clinton, needed some time to chew on it before wholeheartedly accepting it. This young generation needs time to truly untangle the "love is just love" narrative before they can have a principled stance against it beyond a few memorized Bible verses. It's so messed up that the "gay marriage debate" was even brought up in middle schools and high schools pre-Obergefell. The "anti" side seemingly had nothing compelling to say other than "My religion is against it," only to be told "um sweaty separation of church and state not everyone is Christian you can't impose your religious beliefs on everyone."

TERFs can speak out about gender ideology in schools (because it's reinforcing "gender stereotypes" and possibly making kids want to transition) and accuse drag queens and TIMs working with kids of being groomers. But on the bigger issue of women talking about sexual orientation with kids? They're not the ones pushing it, but they're not speaking against it either. Their ideology gives them no reason to.

 

[Pop-Tart]

Imagine being so shit at making a meme to shit on trannies. One of the easiest gimmies there is.

WORDS WORDS WORDS WORDS.

Edit: Also post less soliloquies and more content you faggots.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

You understand how single mothers' parenting looks different from the influence of married parents, how nurturing compassion needs to be balanced by properly masculine authoritative discipline, how children need a mother and a father.

This is what truly got to me in the end and constantly reminds me that this is one thing we're definitely correct on.

It is simple reality that men and women are different and thus are going to provide a child with different role models.

The problem with "single mothers" isn't the fact that there aren't two of them, its the fact that a male figure is missing. Its why its also called "daddy issues" (which even the left acknowledges when they accuse people of having them lmao), how do you fix "daddy issues" by adding a second mom or "mommy issues" by adding a second dad?

Watching activists try to justify this has crossed over the line from funny (like them trying to justify other things like girldick) to frustrating because its basically them going "There is no war in ba sing se."

Either men and women are interchangable or they aren't. You can't pick and choose.

This young generation needs time to truly untangle the "love is just love" narrative before they can have a principled stance against it beyond a few memorized Bible verses. It's so messed up that the "gay marriage debate" was even brought up in middle schools and high schools pre-Obergefell. The "anti" side seemingly had nothing compelling to say other than "My religion is against it," only to be told "um sweaty separation of church and state not everyone is Christian you can't impose your religious beliefs on everyone."

Yeah right wingers completely fucked up on this one. There's 999 secular arguments to make against homosexuality and gay marriage and right wingers picked the worst 1 religious/partisan one.

In all fairness, the reason most if not all religions ban homosexuality is because they independantly realized those 999 secular ones over time and its easier to say "god bans it" to prevent future societies/generations from letting it destroy them than explain why god bans it.

It also does demonstrate why you should try to understand why the bible is the way it is (like for example why mixed fabrics are banned) from both a secular and a spiritual perspective because when you're faced with immoral/amoral agents of satan, pure religiosity isn't going to work.

 

[Larry David's Opera Cape]

Yeah right wingers completely fucked up on this one. There's 999 secular arguments to make against homosexuality and gay marriage and right wingers picked the worst 1 religious/partisan one.

In all fairness, the reason most if not all religions ban homosexuality is because they independantly realized those 999 secular ones over time and its easier to say "god bans it" to prevent future societies/generations from letting it destroy them than explain why god bans it.

It also does demonstrate why you should try to understand why the bible is the way it is (like for example why mixed fabrics are banned) from both a secular and a spiritual perspective because when you're faced with immoral/amoral agents of satan, pure religiosity isn't going to work.

Well but they didn't always fuck it up. They used to be more explicit about things but unfortunately someone convinced them that this was why they were losing and they toned it down. I was young when Measure 9 happened* but old enough that I read the Voter's Pamphlet cover to cover so I could argue with my dad. He encouraged this habit- and our weekly ritual of watching the MacLachlan Group- to hone rhetoric and debate skills. I got to it first that year and had the most eye-opening read of my life. He had no idea what was in there. Once he did, he red-facedly asked me if I'd looked it over yet. I lied and said no, and he threw it away. This was because the arguments from the conservative side went into GREAT graphic detail about what, precisely, homosexuals do and what the health risks are thereof. It was this day when I learned the terms "golden showers" and "anal prolapse" among many other things. I had thought gay guys were just feminine, like the comedy characters you would sometimes see mincing around in BBC import shows we'd watch late at night. Nope. So noted.

The conservatives back then spelled out in graphic detail why homosexuality is disgusting, unnatural, and how it is passed along via grooming. When they started losing ground (more likely because of the millions poured into the other side than their lack of tact) they started trying to sound less mean and gross and more sophisticated.

*(Within my lifetime Oregon was attempting to pass a Putin-tier anti-homo-propaganda law. Feels.)

 

[FarmVille]

They literally openly admit it, how have you never heard of "comphet"?

Did you just link me to a Wikipedia page that proves you’re illiterate? How bad is your reading comprehension that you read that and come away with your keyboard diarrhea