US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Aidan]

Oh, it's cheating. But it's not ILLEGAL. Of course, I'm not a lawyer, maybe it's illegal now for old people of questionable senility to vote.

But that would be weird... they let them run for office.

Unfortunately, we live in a world were irresponsible people make 50 false claims (like manufacturing ballots, tens of thousands of dead voters, etc), while in the real world they're literally buying votes LEGALLY.

Ballot harvesting is illegal in some places and still happens, as far as I know it's always one way

I think the usual Democrat screeching about anti-voter-fraud tactics is enough to indicate that they benefit from those tactics being unrestricted. Purging voter roles, voter ID, and voter registration come to mind.

 

[Kane Lives]

Ballot harvesting is illegal in some places and still happens, as far as I know it's always one way

I think the usual Democrat screeching about anti-voter-fraud tactics is enough to indicate that they benefit from those tactics being unrestricted. Purging voter roles, voter ID, and voter registration come to mind.

The idea of ballot harvesting is insane to me. If you cannot be bothered to spend fifteen minutes filling in a ballot and mailing it back, dropping it off at a ballot place, or if you're old school enough, voting in person, then you shouldn't have the privilege of having a say in the electoral process.

 

[SBG]

Trump has served his purpose: he taught the R's how to play to win, and not kowtow to people who hate your guts.

But other people need to take that up. He's gonna be dead in 10 or 15 years. Going after DeSantis will create unnecessary strife at a VERY bad time.

And after J6, I think the Swamp will straight-up assassinate Trump before letting him anywhere near the White House again. He has way too much baggage to be re-electable.

Ron is Don, but with a filter and more self-control. Shitlibs are arguably more scared of him.

Trump didn’t start the fight, it’s been building up as DeSantis has been working on fundraising and supposedly got double what Trump has.

Also it should be remembered that DeSantis was in favor of Obama’s TPP and voted against border wall funding when was in congress. So I don’t get why anyone wants to compare him to Trump. He’s a fairly plain establishment Republican that found complaining about lockdowns he allowed for too long was a winning issue.

 

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The idea of ballot harvesting is insane to me. If you cannot be bothered to spend fifteen minutes filling in a ballot and mailing it back, dropping it off at a ballot place, or if you're old school enough, voting in person, then you shouldn't have the privilege of having a say in the electoral process.

It's literally one step removed from simply stealing the ballots out of the mailbox, and in some cases I suspect they're literally doing that and calling it harvesting.

And it will continue being allowed until the Republicans wise up and learn to do it right back to the DNC, at which point it will become the most horrible thing ever done by man. (See also: Californian Republicans using Drop Boxes at Churches which were suddenly the most horrible thing ever done by man.)

The only way to delegitimize a lefty tactic is for the right to use it. Making it illegal doesn't. Complaining about it doesn't. Finding evidence they're doing it doesn't. Using it right back against them does.

 

[Jaimas]

It's literally one step removed from simply stealing the ballots out of the mailbox, and in some cases I suspect they're literally doing that and calling it harvesting.

And it will continue being allowed until the Republicans wise up and learn to do it right back to the DNC, at which point it will become the most horrible thing ever done by man. (See also: Californian Republicans using Drop Boxes at Churches which were suddenly the most horrible thing ever done by man.)

The only way to delegitimize a lefty tactic is for the right to use it. Making it illegal doesn't. Complaining about it doesn't. Finding evidence they're doing it doesn't. Using it right back against them does.

Alternately you strangle the tactic out as happened in Florida.

Idly, I have never, in the entire span of my adult life, heard a single coherent argument against Voter ID laws that doesn't boil down to declaring them a poll tax through the most incoherent logic known to man. You literally need an ID to do fucking anything of note as an adult in the US, from opening a bank account, to buying cigarettes or porn, to driving a fucking car, to collect fucking benefits in most states in the US, including fucking New York.

 

[Evilronald]

It's literally one step removed from simply stealing the ballots out of the mailbox, and in some cases I suspect they're literally doing that and calling it harvesting.

And it will continue being allowed until the Republicans wise up and learn to do it right back to the DNC, at which point it will become the most horrible thing ever done by man. (See also: Californian Republicans using Drop Boxes at Churches which were suddenly the most horrible thing ever done by man.)

The only way to delegitimize a lefty tactic is for the right to use it. Making it illegal doesn't. Complaining about it doesn't. Finding evidence they're doing it doesn't. Using it right back against them does.

I think you restrict absentee ballots to only be with certain excuses, require voter ID, and go back to paper ballots. We never had the issues we do now when it was paper ballots and there was a tabulator that was similar to a scantron machine. Look at Maricopa county, it’s a fucking joke. There is no state that has switched to mail-in voting that has become more republican after, can’t imagine why.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Trump didn’t start the fight, it’s been building up as DeSantis has been working on fundraising and supposedly got double what Trump has.

Also it should be remembered that DeSantis was in favor of Obama’s TPP and voted against border wall funding when was in congress. So I don’t get why anyone wants to compare him to Trump. He’s a fairly plain establishment Republican that found complaining about lockdowns he allowed for too long was a winning issue.


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No wonder the right is worried about a Republican civil war. Look at what you get if Trump loses: back to 2008.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

No wonder the right is worried about a Republican civil war. Look at what you get if Trump loses: back to 2008.

Something that the establishment would like very much to return to. Those populists are getting too uppity.

 

[Angry Alt Right Nerd]

When it comes down to it, most people will go along to get along. Nobody is going to take up arms against the government because of COVID jabs, trannies or BLM. At best what we'll see are Ted Kazcynski and Eric Rudolph type lone wolves, who will ultimately accomplish nothing other than giving the government another excuse to crack down on civil liberties. On the other hand I firmly believe that we will see Cheka-style brigades of leftists put in charge of terrorizing right-leaning citizens into compliance. One could argue that Antifa/BLM fulfill that role right now. The right is so far behind the left in terms of organizational capacity and institutional support that for all intents and purposes, the cold civil war is over, and the left has won. The right needs to regroup starting from the mindset of underground resistance, with the understanding that it will likely take several generations for the tables to turn.

That will never happen, because conservatives confront every single problem head-on and directly. Possibly because guile and cunning are tools of the left, and conservatives are psychologically compelled to do the opposite of whatever the left is doing, such as winning.

 

[Snekposter]

In the 2030s rich evans runs for governer as a goof, only the people memeing his love of star war and AIDDS leads to him winning

HE BROKE NEW GROUND!

It's why Antifa worshiping Uncle Bill Sherman is amusing. He lived long enough to hate communism and his actual statements make him sound like he'd fit right in on the Farms. Probably have the Antifa guys bayonetted for shit talking Robert E. Lee too. But he burned a bit of Georgia, so he must be down with the shitlibs.

A real tiny bit from Atlanta to Savannah. But here he is based as hell:

You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it… Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.

Sure sounds like crazy ol' Uncle Johnny, doesn't he?

 

[Random Internet Person]

 

[SBG]

I feel like I'll add to my complaining about DeSantis by pointing out that even his Disney stunt failed.

It would have meant Florida paying $1 billion for Disney's bond debts so DeSantis's people have said they're going to restore the special district for them. They're saying it'll be a limited version, but the whole thing about trying to stick it to Orange county looks like it'll actually won't happen (the law says it'd happen in 2023 and DeSantis' people say they'll fix this before then).

So it really is just a lot of posturing from DeSantis while he doesn't really accomplish much. If DeSantis did become the Republican nominee or president, it probably would mean a lot less 'drama' in the party, but it'd be because he's perfectly in line with the GOP establishment. It'd be like another Bush, but a lot more amateurish.

 

[Random Internet Person]

I feel like I'll add to my complaining about DeSantis by pointing out that even his Disney stunt failed.

It would have meant Florida paying $1 billion for Disney's bond debts so DeSantis's people have said they're going to restore the special district for them. They're saying it'll be a limited version, but the whole thing about trying to stick it to Orange county looks like it'll actually won't happen (the law says it'd happen in 2023 and DeSantis' people say they'll fix this before then).

So it really is just a lot of posturing from DeSantis while he doesn't really accomplish much. If DeSantis did become the Republican nominee or president, it probably would mean a lot less 'drama' in the party, but it'd be because he's perfectly in line with the GOP establishment. It'd be like another Bush, but a lot more amateurish.

But would there be token attempts to appear based so he isn’t completely devoured if he goes for a second term?

 

[Trianon]

I don't think McConnell or the GOPe left off squaring up a party platform or pushing proper fundraising to all candidates because they were playing a deep uniparty long game to try to oust Trump. I think they are simply still afraid of taking a stand and were hoping that conventional wisdom of bad economy + inflation + Joe's bad ratings + typical midterm swing away from presidential party would mean they could coast to victory without sticking their neck out and drawing media attention.

That's its own horrific problem, given how winnable those "controversial" issues are, but they can't act shocked that they are still defined by Trump, for good or ill, when they don't develop an active message.

 

[SBG]

But would there be token attempts to appear based so he isn’t completely devoured if he goes for a second term?

From Trump? I'd guess inadvertently.

When he ran the first time he often came across as based because everyone around him helped reveal it about him. Like when he was asked about the Dreamers and he commented something like "What about Americans that want to dream?". It wasn't planned moments, but just him responding honestly with basic common sense.

Or when he was asked about pay equality for women and went "you're gonna make the same if you do as good a job". At the time, it came across as based, but it's just him being unphased by the bullshit and responding like a normal person.

In general though, he's just a lot better about understanding what common people want. This is the same man who recognized early on that abortion was going to piss off suburban women when it came election day (which proved true!).


Trump's main strength, that also helps him seem based in comparison to most Republican politicians, is he doesn't get bogged down in the holier than thou attitude and sticks to what would be most economically advantageous for Americans. Which is probably why he went with the DeSanctimonious nickname, since the sanctimonious attitude is what all the Never Trumpers have and is what makes a lot of Republican politicians so off putting.

 

[babadook]

The second DeSantis runs he'll be the all new Cheeto Hitler 2.0: Hitler HARDER.

They have done the exact same playbook one very single Republican candidate since Bush. Senior.

*Nixon

 

[Justa Grata Honoria]

Voted Trump twice and I loved the guy and the whole presidential journey was a hoot but he's become an absolutely unhinged, delusional retard since the total shitshow that was the last presidential election.

It seemed like he still had a semblance of tact even as brash as he was throughout his first term but it's been a drip feed of decline since 2020. So many issues could have just been solved by shutting his mouth at opportune times but his ego has become uncontrollable since reaching God Emperor status.

I don't see why people hate DeSantis. Unlike Trump, he knows how to conduct himself while knowing what is good for his state and citizens. He's actually one of my favorite politicians yet.

No issues would be solved if he shut his mouth and conducted professionally he wasn't establishment and kicked their fav gal ass and that irked it irked them that he actually pandered to the lowly working class and for daring to voice and listne to their concerns. No matter what they want him dead and humiliated for beating them . If you haven't noticed the other side no matter how much you grovel and apologize is never enough Obviously 20 per cent real inflation isn't enough for you , diesel shortage isn't enough for you to learn that playing nice doesn't mean jack shit.

Edit: i just found it spooky how many media figures scream for de santis to run all of a sudden . Including the beanie man .

 

[SBG]

i just found it spooky how many media figures scream for de santis to run all of a sudden . Including the beanie man .

Lot of people that spend too much time on Twitter figure whatever is the popular meme politics of the day must be what would really resonate with the entire country.

It's how we ended up with Yanggang being popular for a hot minute.

 

[soy_king]

It's literally one step removed from simply stealing the ballots out of the mailbox, and in some cases I suspect they're literally doing that and calling it harvesting.

And it will continue being allowed until the Republicans wise up and learn to do it right back to the DNC, at which point it will become the most horrible thing ever done by man. (See also: Californian Republicans using Drop Boxes at Churches which were suddenly the most horrible thing ever done by man.)

The only way to delegitimize a lefty tactic is for the right to use it. Making it illegal doesn't. Complaining about it doesn't. Finding evidence they're doing it doesn't. Using it right back against them does.

this right here. it's the same reason why we no longer have an independent counsel who's constitutionally unfireable. Totally kosher to use against Reagan, but suddenly not cool when Kenn Star is conducting years long investigations into Slick Willy.

 

[The Ugly One]

It's literally one step removed from simply stealing the ballots out of the mailbox, and in some cases I suspect they're literally doing that and calling it harvesting.

And it will continue being allowed until the Republicans wise up and learn to do it right back to the DNC, at which point it will become the most horrible thing ever done by man. (See also: Californian Republicans using Drop Boxes at Churches which were suddenly the most horrible thing ever done by man.)

The only way to delegitimize a lefty tactic is for the right to use it. Making it illegal doesn't. Complaining about it doesn't. Finding evidence they're doing it doesn't. Using it right back against them does.

Well, you can also punish them for it. The reason lefties got away with so many variation of fraud in 2020 is it turns out the laws don't really dole out any consequences. If you can find the person who organized the fraud, sure, that person gets in trouble, but on a case by case basis, it's hard to prove. But none of these laws say that sacks of votes with no chain of custody don't get counted. They don't specify conditions for denial of certification, or kicking the vote to the legislature, or requiring a do-over, etc. The candidate still gets all the illegitimate votes.