Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Smity Werbenjagermanjensen]

Hmm, for some reason it seems unlikely to me that 87% of the population voted for annexation, lol.

They'll get a nice boost in skilled manpower from the partisans now that the territory has been liberated, plenty of local guides who know the land and the people in the area. As Sun Tzu said, "Knowledge of the enemy’s dispositions can only be obtained from other men."

I'm more wondering the effect this would have on Russian morale, Russia suffered a strategic defeat in Kharkiv, was forced to mobilize as a result, and has now suffered an even bigger strategic defeat since they're not getting back a foothold over the Dnieper as easy as last time even if they do manage to do so, and this was after mobilization.

Just picture yourself as a moblik, and the first thing that happens after you arrive is being told "We just withdrew from the second largest city we've managed to capture which also served as a foothold to cross a kilometer wide river."

 

[Beak Thing]

I dont know where vatniggers think Russia is going to pull all these cohesive, well equipped and well trained units from with a competent corps of NCOs and officers to lead them for the stunning attack that will carry them back to Kharkov, carry them back over the river and to Odessa, blah blah blah

The piece that doesn't add up for me is Russia has something like 1,000,000 active duty personnel on average but they can't keep these units properly equipped and supplied, let alone constitute new effective forces. Where is all the stuff? It's like they have absolutely no reserves of anything and no plan to increase production.

I'm not sure if it's the case now but back in the Soviet era a lot of were basically staffed only with a core of officers and NCOs with the enlisted men only called up as needed. Given the sheer size of the Soviet military it would eat up a lot of manpower better used elsewhere in peacetime.

I'm more wondering the effect this would have on Russian morale, Russia suffered a strategic defeat in Kharkiv, was forced to mobilize as a result, and has now suffered an even bigger strategic defeat since they're not getting back a foothold over the Dnieper as easy as last time even if they do manage to do so, and this was after mobilization.

Just picture yourself as a moblik, and the first thing that happens after you arrive is being told "We just withdrew from the second largest city we've managed to capture which also served as a foothold to cross a kilometer wide river."

Not good at all, but not as damaging as the Kharkiv rout. This withdrawal went well as far as I can tell, no chaos and no real losses of any equipment. However, there is an enormous blow to Russia's prestige because this was one of the major Ukrainian cities captured during the invasion, even worse now because they have tried to annex it.

No idea what the story is about these Russian troops allegedly in civilian clothing on the Ukrainian side of the river though.

Could be one of the Russian commanders had some compassion for the mobilized men and decided to save their lives by letting them stay behind and surrender. If they're completely unarmed that would convince me this is the case.

 

[Throwing Romans]

The piece that doesn't add up for me is Russia has something like 1,000,000 active duty personnel on average but they can't keep these units properly equipped and supplied, let alone constitute new effective forces. Where is all the stuff? It's like they have absolutely no reserves of anything and no plan to increase production.

Much of it has been trafficked away by the rampant corruption among the untermensch slavs officers

 

[UVB-76]

This thread is dedicated to the brave African-American and Polish mercenaries of Ukraine

 

[Pork Packer]

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Don't forget about the many millions of pozzed trannies and gays and NATO nazis that have taken this victory from Russia.
Regardless of how much fun this is, I am still very worried. You guys in the West don't get it, people in East Europe can be psychotic madmen. I am not excluding any vengeance plans, full mobilization/war economy/carpet bombing civilians and more.
I want Putin's regime gone and Russia relinquishing the territorial demands, on paper, old school treaty, with severe repercussions mentioned in case of chimping out. And I want the problem of the Russian minority in Ukraine also put on paper and no longer delayed or ignored. Who wants to leave, take your dog and cat and kids and be gone. Who wants to stay, will integrate and will openly state they accept Ukrainian rule and stop seething along Russian lines, and Ukraine will also put on paper that there will be no speshul police operations in majority Russian territories, no "accidents" where some building burns with people in it, and that if they want help to rebuild, they'll also stop the vengeance and learn to coexist.
I want long lasting peace and a stop to the ethnic hatreds in the area, at least a start towards that goal. And this time, the "West" should watch and make sure no escalation occurs again.
We're literally gonna go through a recession, we've lost thousands and thousands of European lives, for nothing. This shit's too dangerous and unproductive.

What russia needs is the same thing every third world country led by a corrupt as hell dictatorship made up of psychopathic yes men, grifters, and nepotism hires (even compared to the absolute historical worst nadirs of the west) selling out their country and people and whatever office they hold in order to pander to the ever escalating delusions of the leader while lining their own pockets.

A total purge of the entire political sphere, bloodless or bloody or extremely fucking bloody, and a replacement by halfway competent bureaucrats and politicians being overseen openly or covertly by a higher foreign power to keep their corruption and insanity within reasonable bounds, build up some vague trust among the population in its institutions and political participation, ensure they dont jump on a plane to Dubai with the entire health budget, and generally turn their country into a halfway useful geopolitical asset at worst and strategically vital ally at best.

This is exactly the shit that turned the dictatorial wastelands in germany, japan, taiwan, and south korea to name a few into the powerhouses that they are today

 

[Beak Thing]

Much of it has been trafficked away by the rampant corruption among the untermensch slavs officers

Sort of like the Afghan army that was chock full of ghost soldiers so the officers could steal via the payroll. How many deliveries of tanks or APCs were completely fictitious? Does Russia even know how much equipment its forces actually have or its condition?

No sane person on Earth would start a war this completely unprepared and unaware of your actual capabilities. This is almost absurd.

 

[draggs]

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What russia needs is the same thing every third world country led by a corrupt as hell dictatorship made up of psychopathic yes men, grifters, and nepotism hires (even compared to the absolute historical worst nadirs of the west) selling out their country and people and whatever office they hold in order to pander to the ever escalating delusions of the leader while lining their own pockets.

A total purge of the entire political sphere and a replacement by halfway competent bureaucrats and politicians being overseen openly or covertly by a higher foreign power to keep their corruption and insanity within reasonable bounds and ensure they dont jump on a plane to Dubai with the entire health budget, and generally turn their country into a halfway useful geopolitical asset at worst and strategically vital ally at best.

This is exactly the shit that turned the dictatorial wastelands in germany, japan, taiwan, and south korea to name a few into the powerhouses that they are today

Russia is a land that wears the polish off everyone that doesnt keep involvement with it at arm's length, I wouldnt want to touch a Japan or Germany style liberalization project of that shithole with a thousand kilometer stick

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

Most of the West has bought into the 'Ukraine is an underdog fighting for freedom against evil Russia' narrative, so Ukraine has basically unlimited equipment and funding while Russia is blacklisted.

I wish more people would realize that it isn't some stupid 'Good vs Evil' stuff here.

It's 'Actual Neo Nazis that launder money for corrupt Western politicians vs Corrupt, Ex-KGB Criminals trying to remain globally relevant.'

This is why I'm so angry at the tax dollars funding this idiotic proxy war when our critical public services are falling apart. Sometimes literally. This ain't WW2, there are no good guys, only average Babushka caught in the crossfire when PU-tin's forces bumbled their way into Ukraine. And as sorry as I am for the Ukrainian civilians that doesn't justify getting into yet another European pissing match.

At absolute best we get to cheer "yay teh Ruskies lose" as we go back to funding NATO, aka "America pays for Europe's supposed collective defense in perpetuity". At worst - God forbid - Putin breaks out the cheget, starts going down the list of nations that directly supported Ukraine, and we're on it.

All that being said, it's going to be morbidly interesting to see if the situation at the river turns into a stalemate over the winter or if those 300,000 reinforcements end up making a major difference.

Assuming there ARE actually 300,000 troops with any kind of professional training. And assuming they all make it in any kind of coherently directed force instead of a bar-brawl chaos of randos with rusting AK-47's. Neither of which I'd bet my bottom dollar on.

 

[Foltest]

seeing the population being so happy at being liberated…. Makes me happy.
All vatniks and Z-bros who spewed all the bullshit about large of Ukraine wanted to be part of Russia.
Eat shit.

 

[draggs]

This is why I'm so angry that vast amounts of tax dollars are funding this idiotic proxy war when our critical public services are literally falling apart. This ain't WW2. There are no good guys. Only the average Babushka caught in the crossfire when PU-tin's forces bumbled their way into Ukraine. And as sorry as I am for the Ukrainian civilians that doesn't justify getting into yet another European pissing match.

At absolute best we get nothing tangible for all our billions but to cheer "yay teh Ruskies lose" as we go back to funding NATO aka "America funds Europe" in perpetuity. At worst - God forbid - we give that slimy KGB leftover a legitimate reason to break out the cheget and start going down the list of nations that directly supported Ukraine.

Russia wasting itself militarily, economically, and diplomatically in Ukraine has significant implications for any US-China war in the immediate or medium-term future, which is when everyone seems to think a US-China war will happen

Spending 100-200 billion to effectively take the Russian chesspiece off the board for a decade or even longer is way more benefit than cost

 

[mindlessobserver]

Russia wasting itself militarily, economically, and diplomatically in Ukraine has significant implications for any US-China war in the immediate or medium-term future, which is when everyone seems to think a US-China war will happen

Spending 100-200 billion to effectively take the Russian chesspiece off the board for a decade or even longer is way more benefit than cost

Even so, it cannot be understated how destabilizing this conflict is poised to become. People like to bitch about Russia being the "prison of nations", but Moscow has alot of potential conflicts in Central Asia locked away in its basement. If the whole rotten edifice comes down that shit is going to spill out.

 

[Pork Packer]

Much of it has been trafficked away by the rampant corruption among the untermensch slavs officers

Methinks its time for an actually halfway justified quote of the holy text Nineteen Eighty Four by the blessed Imam Orwell

But actually, he thought as he re-adjusted the Ministry of Plenty's figures, it was not even forgery. It was merely the substitution of one piece of nonsense for another. Most of the material that you were dealing with had no connexion with anything in the real world, not even the kind of connexion that is contained in a direct lie. Statistics were just as much a fantasy in their original version as in their rectified version.

A great deal of the time you were expected to make them up out of your head. For example, the Ministry of Plenty's forecast had estimated the output of boots for the quarter at 145 million pairs. The actual output was given as sixty-two millions. Winston, however, in rewriting the forecast, marked the figure down to fifty-seven millions, so as to allow for the usual claim that the quota had been overfulfilled. In any case, sixty-two millions was no nearer the truth than fifty-seven millions, or than 145 millions. Very likely no boots had been produced at all. Likelier still, nobody knew how many had been produced, much less cared.

All one knew was that every quarter astronomical numbers of boots were produced on paper, while perhaps half the population of Oceania went barefoot. And so it was with every class of recorded fact, great or small. Everything faded away into a shadow-world in which, finally, even the date of the year had become uncertain.

Or to put it more autistically

1. The order from up above comes for ten thousand rifles from twenty different factories
2. As this gets filtered down through the ranks the number grows less and less as everyone tries to get a bigger skim for themselves and a lighter theoretical workload, with ten factories now tasked with making 500 rifles each
3. Anyone who underproduces fudges the figures in order to ensure the grift train keeps on going
4. Anyone who sincerely tries to do their job runs the serious risk of failure due to how the entire logistic and supply chain is rotted by this shit, and will likely make himself severely if not terminally unpopular among his colleagues for ruining what they consider an easy payday, meaning this category gets reduced to near nothing by way of natural selection
5. Anyone who straight up steals all the funds and produces literally fucking nothing also fudges the figures and nobody around them is in any mood to do the right thing after what happened to the last guy...
6. Due to inability or unwillingness to get necessary materials, only 200 rifles are produced on average by factory
7. Most of these are seriously if not dangerously poor quality and will be near useless in the field
8. However as this makes its way back up the ranks, it magically passes every imaginable quality test and demonstrably outperforms all the rifles in the west
9. It also magically turns into fifteen thousand rifles by the time the paperwork reaches up above due to the dedication and resourcefulness of those handing over the paperwork to the next rank
10. Of the two thousand....no was it one and a half thousand? maybe one thousand? i dunno nobody is actually counting anymore... rifles that have actually been produced, the vast majority of them get thrown into a warehouse since russia is effectively invasion proof because of nukes existing and nobody in the chain of command thinks that up above will be stupid enough to start a massive fucking war that would require the warehouses to be raided.
11. This results in the number of rifles in these warehouses steadily decreasing over time as they get stolen, get sold, rust into oblivion, or just get straight up lost over time.
12. However, the paperwork in the kremlin still has it a 1000% confirmed fact that this order for rifles was massively overfulfilled and they have fifteen thousand world beating super rifles kept in safe storage and ready for action on a moments notice
13. Rince and repeat for LITERALLY THE ENTIRE FUCKING EQUIPMENT / LOGISTICS / SUPPLY / ARMOR RESERVE FOR FUCKING DECADES JESUS FUCKING CHRIST.
14. Suddenly a new order from up above comes down
15. Because russia has such an insanely overpowered military juggernaut at its disposal with endless supplies of world beating weapons and ammo and armor it can just piss away like its nothing, russia is now starting a massive fucking war that requires all the warehouses to be raided
16. Oh dear....

This is what happens when there is zero discipline, zero oversight, zero accountability, zero ability to inform one or more faction of the partisan press/political sphere of how bad shit is so that they use it to attack whomever is in charge, with those aiming to win the next election promising they will totally do better when they are in power, all of which motivates whomever is in power to fix shit fast and make sure this problem never crops up again my instituting basic discipline, oversight, and accountability in the ranks. Instead the problem just festers and continues to corrode the system until it either collapses from within when this shit all piles up just too much to be covered up, or it encounters external resistance and is shattered from outside.

Or to put it simply, this is what happens in a dysfunctional dictatorship where there is nobody holding asses to fires enough for shit to get done and shit to get fixed

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

Russia wasting itself militarily, economically, and diplomatically in Ukraine has significant implications for any US-China war in the immediate or medium-term future, which is when everyone seems to think a US-China war will happen

Spending 100-200 billion to effectively take the Russian chesspiece off the board for a decade or even longer is way more benefit than cost

One small problem with the common logic going around is assuming the destabilization of Russia won't result in something much worse than a failed border conflict - or even conquering Ukraine. Russia retreating quietly into discredited has-been status is only one possible outcome of many.

For one very easy example, what if a significant part of their NBC weapons end up for sale as a last-ditch measure to keep Russia afloat financially...or just plain disappearing because too many military personnel are MIA/KIA?

Or China deciding Russia is weak enough to make a grab for territory and ending up in a 2-way nuclear exchange that evaporates most of the world's microchip and consumer-goods supply in a matter of hours.

 

[Corette]

This is like that time the Dominion tried to take over the Alpha Quadrant. How do you fuck it up!?

More like the time when Pizza the Hut got locked into car and then ate himself to death.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

More like the time when Pizza the Hut got locked into car and then ate himself to death.

Yes!! That's exactly it!

 

[Pork Packer]

One small problem with this logic is that you're assuming the destabilization of Russia won't result in a balkanization or complete national collapse that ends up in something much worse than a failed border conflict. For one very easy example, what happens if a significant part of their NBC weapons end up for sale as a last-ditch measure to keep Russia afloat financially...or just plain disappearing because too many military personnel are MIA/KIA?

Russia retreating quietly into discredited has-been status is only one outcome of many.

The question is, who the heck has the shekels enough to buy it, the ability to transport it, and the military capacity to get away with it to make such an insane risk worthwhile to whatever warlord might consider it?

North Korea already has nuclear invasion insurance, Cuba sure as shit aint gonna be able to either afford it or smuggle it, ibid for venezuela. Syria will be vaporised by Israel the moment they get a whiff of them fishing around for nukes, and Iran will probably get a taste of sustained airstrike buggery from NATO and friends should it be stupid enough to try shit while they are being watched by every intel agency on the planet for this shit.

Honestly the most likely scenario would be China pulling some "we get your nukes and exclusive mineral rights in siberia alongside probable territorial concessions going forward, and in exchange Mr Warlord, you and your homies get kadyrov tier fuck off money and our official military and diplomatic protection" style deal in order to try and get atleast something out the unmitigated geopolitical clusterfuck its closest "ally" caused

Though even this aint exactly certain given how china doesnt exactly look in good health going forwards....

 

[Beak Thing]

One small problem with the common logic going around is assuming the destabilization of Russia won't result in something much worse than a failed border conflict - or even conquering Ukraine. Russia retreating quietly into discredited has-been status is only one possible outcome of many.

For one very easy example, what if a significant part of their NBC weapons end up for sale as a last-ditch measure to keep Russia afloat financially...or just plain disappearing because too many military personnel are MIA/KIA?

Or China deciding Russia is weak enough to make a grab for territory and ending up in a 2-way nuclear exchange that evaporates most of the world's microchip and consumer-goods supply in a matter of hours.

I'm not as concerned about that as I would be due to the events surrounding the collapse of the Soviet Union. Russia basically Balkanized then, with a lot of the ethnic minorities getting their own countries...basically every SSR that wasn't a core Russian territory predominantly populated by Russians. And even in the absolute economic chaos of the 1990s they were still able to keep track of their NBC weapons without any major incidents.

I think there's always a risk but a lot of this can be mitigated if the future peace treaty is not excessively punitive to Russia. I.e. don't pull a Versailles.

 

[potato fan]

I'm not as concerned about that as I would be due to the events surrounding the collapse of the Soviet Union. Russia basically Balkanized then, with a lot of the ethnic minorities getting their own countries...basically every SSR that wasn't a core Russian territory predominantly populated by Russians. And even in the absolute economic chaos of the 1990s they were still able to keep track of their NBC weapons without any major incidents.

I think there's always a risk but a lot of this can be mitigated if the future peace treaty is not excessively punitive to Russia. I.e. don't pull a Versailles.

in 1990's USA was sponsoring Russia's nuclear program- USA paid for the nukes being kept in good health and for disposing all the nuclear waste laying around russia. They even paid for cleanup for on notorious laboratory that caused several nuclear incidents in the decades it operated. Ironically, it was also US who pretty much pushed Ukraine back into russia's arms, because russia needed a consolation prize for losinge entire eastern Europe

 

[Corette]

I think there's always a risk but a lot of this can be mitigated if the future peace treaty is not excessively punitive to Russia. I.e. don't pull a Versailles.

Can we at least make them wear silly hats?

 

[Beak Thing]

Can we at least make them wear silly hats?

Cossack hats would be kind of poetic.