Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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in 1990's USA was sponsoring Russia's nuclear program- USA paid for the nukes being kept in good health and for disposing all the nuclear waste laying around russia. They even paid for cleanup for on notorious laboratory that caused several nuclear incidents in the decades it operated. Ironically, it was also US who pretty much pushed Ukraine back into russia's arms, because russia needed a consolation prize for losinge entire eastern Europe
Beat me to it. There wasn't a ton of "empty quiver" scenarios because we went in to help the Commies clean up their own mess. There's no guarantee that can happen again, especially not with a senior-dementia puppet and a house maid masquerading as POTUS and VPOTUS respectively.
 
Beat me to it. The entire REASON there wasn't a shitload of "empty quiver" scenarios is because we helped the Commies clean up their own mess. There's no guarantee that can happen again, especially not with a senior-dementia puppet and a house maid masquerading as POTUS and VPOTUS respectively.
The world's changed a lot since then though. There are some new powers in Asia that have a major interest in keeping the situation in their backyard stable, as well as of course the EU and NATO as a whole. I also don't think Russia's economy has the same kind of massive structural problems it did under the Soviet central planning system, which drove the huge economic downturn in the 1990s.

Back in 1991, there wasn't an India or China or EU with these resources. Even Turkey's fairly strong now and they've been taking a leadership role in some of the negotiations so far.
 
This is exactly the shit that turned the dictatorial wastelands in germany, japan, taiwan, and south korea to name a few into the powerhouses that they are today
this worked in those countries because they all had a history of effective government, and administrations with low corruption, and they were functional, homogenous, high trust societies. i'm not sure these conditions are in place today in russia.
 
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Every military has fags fucking in the bunks, thinking otherwise is a severe case of the cope.
It's happening on a larger scale in Russian forces due to dedovshchina. Not every military has a tradition like that. Russia had it for centuries, and during commie era they spread it to its satellite and subservient states. Poland for example had its own equivalent, although not as severe, in the commie era. It did not exist prior to Poland's fall under Russian influence and it died off once commies were ousted and communist era personnel was removed from Polish military.

Gross oversimplification. I don't particularly dislike multiculturalism, just don't think it's very viable without extreme meddling beyond reasonable human expectation. Has nothing to do with seeing Russia as a "saviour", which btw I've only seen anti-Russia posters mention to tie it with burgers sperging about Christianity and using it for influencing the culture war. More likely, as in my case, Russian society has been in a good position to observe the mistakes the excesses of Western degeneracy have caused and can avoid or manage societal change better with that in mind, if globalism is to be truly inevitable.
Original thread had people openly cheering for Russia to own multiculti globohomo. Multiculti talk died down after videos with Russian soldiers looking very Turkic and Central Asian began to surface. The sentiment still persisted on telegram, twitter, and other social media. Besides, I wasn't singling you out. I only generalized trends among people siding with Russia as a large group.
As for learning from mistakes of the west, Russia is not doing that. It is importing Central Asian Muslim migrants. It isn't doing anything to combat declining living standards and rising wealth inequality - quite the opposite. Besides arresting groups like Pussy Riot sometimes, Russian ruling class occasionally pays lip service to conservative ideals and feed populace some patriotic platitudes. That's it. No tangible actions to make the country better. Even civic organizations are dead compared to the west.
There is more to degeneracy than LGBT crowd. Drug use, societal dysfunction, alcoholism, human trafficking, STDs, homicide rates, fraud, and suicides are ignored. While Russian government puts some effort into limiting influence of the LGBT menagerie, large Russian enterprises are quick to fold once trannies start sending them emails anyway. Remember how long the Russian host for kiwifarms lasted?

Do you think the Ukraine was/is any better in regards to those things anyway?
Main thing worse in west is the prevalence of the LGBT crowd. Suicide and drug abuse rates in Russia are so much higher than ones in the west for a reason. These are some of the signs of low trust societies with decaying culture. People have low hopes for the future and no social support to help them cope, so they turn to drugs or off themselves. Whoever can, emigrates to western nations. Moving away from that, Russia has whole other slew of other problems I didn't touch upon. Corruption and kleptocracy are by far the worst ones. Russian society is either complacent when it comes to these, or believes narratives blaming west for the damage ruling class' corruption and greed inflicted upon Russia.
Ukraine isn't better yet. Other Warsaw pact countries were much closer to Russia in quality of life in 1990. They improved considerably after they joined the west. Meanwhile, Ukraine stuck with Russia and followed largely the same downward spiral. Once they fully break free, Ukrainians will have a chance to repeat successes of Warsaw Pact states that sided with the west after communism fell.

And who's saying they don't oppose the same degeneracy within Russia or anywhere else? I'm not OK with trooning kids for example, no matter where it happens. Everyone has their own limits. Gay shit, drugs, hookers, whatever. There are reasons beyond US culture war to be pro-Russia or at least pro-Russian victory/favourable outcome (which is a different thing).
If they do, they certainly not seem to bothered by it. When I brought up problems in Russia, the pro-Russian side keeps dismissing them. They tend to insist that Russia will be fine or default to tranny talk. Trannies are a serious problem. Russia is rather free of them but is instead plagued by a number of other issues. Issues that are less prevalent in the west.



Russia is a land that wears the polish off everyone that doesnt keep involvement with it at arm's length, I wouldnt want to touch a Japan or Germany style liberalization project of that shithole with a thousand kilometer stick
Something like this was tried in late 80s and 90s, but Russian ruling class was more interested in robbing the country and blaming it on the west. Funny how Balts, Czechs, and Poles managed to come out of the 90s fine and with their economies gradually catching up to other European countries who did not have to suffer under Russia's sphere of influence. Coincidentally, these former soviet satellite countries aren't run by ex-intelligence operatives and their cronies who amassed wealth in the 90s.
 
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Fixing the Western degeneracy described in the large post above I can't quote would be a major win for the Occidental world.
This cannot continue. We are being mocked and made fun of because we are not dealing with a handful of nutcases.
And to be clear, we are smart peoples, and we are also merciful, there is no need for any extreme measures.
We simply need to denormalize their ways, stop promoting, and push them back to the margins of society. Fags and trannies will always exist. But where they exist, should be the decision taken by the normal, not deviant population. Not one single of them in leadership, academia or top corporate.
 
Fixing the Western degeneracy described in the large post above I can't quote would be a major win for the Occidental world.
This cannot continue. We are being mocked and made fun of because we are not dealing with a handful of nutcases.
And to be clear, we are smart peoples, and we are also merciful, there is no need for any extreme measures.
We simply need to denormalize their ways, stop promoting, and push them back to the margins of society. Fags and trannies will always exist. But where they exist, should be the decision taken by the normal, not deviant population. Not one single of them in leadership, academia or top corporate.
I'm honestly becoming increasingly convinced that in a world where human group behavior has become algorithmically quantifiable (and controllable), the era of all the liberal democracies is coming to an end. While individuals cannot be controlled, groups absolutely can, and that means voting becomes effectively meaningless and simply a ceremony of legitimacy for the ruling elites who control the algorithm. the LGBT scourge in the west is merely a symptom and sometimes tool of this transition from democracy to technocratic feudalism.

Idealists in our society think a return a fundamentals will restore things. Libertarians are patient zero for this. If we would just go back to being autonomous individuals things will get better. But no human society has ever functioned that way and never will. The only question a society can ask is who gets to hold the whip hand and how they get to use it. If everyone has the whip, nobody has the whip.

Personally, I am becoming increasingly traditionalist. A return to theocratic monarchies seems appealing these days.
 
One small problem with the common logic going around is assuming the destabilization of Russia won't result in something much worse than a failed border conflict - or even conquering Ukraine. Russia retreating quietly into discredited has-been status is only one possible outcome of many.

For one very easy example, what if a significant part of their NBC weapons end up for sale as a last-ditch measure to keep Russia afloat financially...or just plain disappearing because too many military personnel are MIA/KIA?

Or China deciding Russia is weak enough to make a grab for territory and ending up in a 2-way nuclear exchange that evaporates most of the world's microchip and consumer-goods supply in a matter of hours.
Who said destabilized

A period of inward looking and rebuilding policy will be fine
 
I'm honestly becoming increasingly convinced that in a world where human group behavior has become algorithmically quantifiable (and controllable), the era of all the liberal democracies is coming to an end. While individuals cannot be controlled, groups absolutely can, and that means voting becomes effectively meaningless and simply a ceremony of legitimacy for the ruling elites who control the algorithm. the LGBT scourge in the west is merely a symptom and sometimes tool of this transition from democracy to technocratic feudalism.

Idealists in our society think a return a fundamentals will restore things. Libertarians are patient zero for this. If we would just go back to being autonomous individuals things will get better. But no human society has ever functioned that way and never will. The only question a society can ask is who gets to hold the whip hand and how they get to use it. If everyone has the whip, nobody has the whip.

Personally, I am becoming increasingly traditionalist. A return to theocratic monarchies seems appealing these days.
That for me is the biggest issue of our age
How to find a decent compromise on social issues and behavioral boundaries, without descending into autocracy or worse.
Now, you might call me a cuck or coward for not "going all the way", but I am probably somewhat autistically attached to truth, and that means I cannot accept a monarch, nor somebody claiming to be ordained by God, nor some ancient set of laws. Now I might take inspiration from let's say, Sodom and Gomorrah, or from how the first 4 caliphs broke to pieces two ancient empires as if they were nothing, largely based on faith. But that's just a pragmatic thing for me, a way to accomplish a goal.
I don't want society destabilized too much, but I also don't want destabilizing things to continue, such as mass migration and trooning out enjoying.
Largest problem with the West is that it has allowed the cat out of the bag. We should've never even had discussions about if it's acceptable to bring in millions of Middle Easterners and Africans in Europe - what, are you fucking insane, shoo. Should've never had discussions about allowing fags to marry - be happy you don't get treated like in Iran or something and fuck off.
And now because we made these mistakes, it's likely that reaction will overshoot severely and result in something like you mentioned, and we gonna have some pain that could've been all avoided if people were simply NORMAL.
 
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I'm honestly becoming increasingly convinced that in a world where human group behavior has become algorithmically quantifiable (and controllable), the era of all the liberal democracies is coming to an end. While individuals cannot be controlled, groups absolutely can, and that means voting becomes effectively meaningless and simply a ceremony of legitimacy for the ruling elites who control the algorithm. the LGBT scourge in the west is merely a symptom and sometimes tool of this transition from democracy to technocratic feudalism.

Idealists in our society think a return a fundamentals will restore things. Libertarians are patient zero for this. If we would just go back to being autonomous individuals things will get better. But no human society has ever functioned that way and never will. The only question a society can ask is who gets to hold the whip hand and how they get to use it. If everyone has the whip, nobody has the whip.

Personally, I am becoming increasingly traditionalist. A return to theocratic monarchies seems appealing these days.

Information overload means that people are losing the ability to think. They just look to what opinion to have. Which aligns with their identity group, which is curated by online information bubbles.

Add to this the ever-increasing adoption of post-modernist ideas, under the disguise of progressiveness. Where people don't realise it but they're adopting opinions where their entire worldview makes no logical sense. So these ideologies of no objective reality are taking hold and people aren't noticing. Due to the aforementioned lack of being able to think.

Linking back to the thread, just look at how much nonsense about this conflict makes zero sense. Yet people don't realise. They don't understand the conflict, the history or anything. They just have the opinion and the emotional connection to it they are demanded to have.

Russia blowing up it's own pipeline makes no sense, but it doesn't need to. People are just told they did. They don't think. It is the reality they choose to live in. Or even worse, it is what the establishment decide the reality for them to live in is.
 
I am at this point 100% convinced that 41% of all threads on the Kiwi Farms end up hijacked by trannie spergathons.
What's even funnier is that all this whining about "muh lgbt degeneracy" is the fact that shit would still be fucked even if acceptance of the LGBT community hadn't happened.

It's just a scapegoat at this point. Trannies suck, but I'd rather deal with them than tradfags thirsting for a shariah law monarchy that would undoubtedly be far more degenerate, and oppressive than what we have now.
 
That for me is the biggest issue of our age
How to find a decent compromise on social issues and behavioral boundaries, without descending into autocracy or worse.
Now, you might call me a cuck or coward for not "going all the way", but I am probably somewhat autistically attached to truth, and that means I cannot accept a monarch, nor somebody claiming to be ordained by God, nor some ancient set of laws. Now I might take inspiration from let's say, Sodom and Gomorrah, or from how the first 4 caliphs broke to pieces two ancient empires as if they were nothing, largely based on faith. But that's just a pragmatic thing for me, a way to accomplish a goal.
I don't want society destabilized too much, but I also don't want destabilizing things to continue, such as mass migration and trooning out enjoying.
Largest problem with the West is that it has allowed the cat out of the bag. We should've never even had discussions about if it's acceptable to bring in millions of Middle Easterners and Africans in Europe - what, are you fucking insane, shoo. Should've never had discussions about allowing fags to marry - be happy you don't get treated like in Iran or something and fuck off.
And now because we made these mistake, it's likely that reaction will overshoot severely and result in something like you mentioned, and we gonna have some pain that could've been all avoided if people were simply NORMAL.
The problem here is that the Inquisition in the Catholic World, and the Divinely ordained Kings in the Protestant world would have both nipped every excess you just listed here in the bud.

Import Infidels into MY Kingdom? I think fucking not!
Grant the authority of my Church to solemnize the marriage of Sodomites? Fuck no.
Who are you again? You are coming with me for a frank discussion on your sins/treason.

We getting WAAAAY off topic though. Mods should probably break this entire discussion off to mass debates.
 
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What's even funnier is that all this whining about "muh lgbt degeneracy" is the fact that shit would still be fucked even if acceptance of the LGBT community hadn't happened.

It's just a scapegoat at this point. Trannies suck, but I'd rather deal with them than tradfags thirsting for a shariah law monarchy that would undoubtedly be far more degenerate, and oppressive than what we have now.
We cannot have either. It's not that "trannies suck". The individuals are 100% irrelevant.
It's that their normalizations, acceptance and inclusion is a deterioration of our perceptions of reality, which demands that we notice there are two sexes, and that sex has at its root a reproductory function. We cannot allow any sort of inner feelings, i.e. "gender", to trump the reality of biology. Sex being binary stands at the very basis of medicine, genetics and more. All humans are created through sex, all humans are a direct result of binary sex.
Monarchy is also a deterioration of reality if it's religious, because you cannot prove that your bloodline is special and that Christ anointed you to do whatever on this planet. Same goes for Islam and the rest.
We really should NOT have to deal with any of these insanities and we should be able to live normal lives in a normal country, with laws and social norms that stem from reality and pursue social harmony, stability and standards of living increases.
The fact that we have to deal with insanity and accept the most obvious mentally ill and even glorify them is a clear sign of severe societal decay, and this will come with more and more harsh consequences down the road.
That's my last offtopic post, apologies, but this shit is sort of important if you're not a complete nihilist LARPers.
 
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It's happening on a larger scale in Russian forces due to dedovshchina. Not every military has a tradition like that. Russia had it for centuries, and during commie era they spread it to its satellite and subservient states. Poland for example had its own equivalent, although not as severe, in the commie era. It did not exist prior to Poland's fall under Russian influence and it died off once commies were ousted and communist era personnel was removed from Polish military.
Nice cope. Every military has its fags and thinking that Russia holds a special place among them is hilarious. Thinking that homos in military is a commie invention is gay. I need a break from this autism.
 
Nice cope. Every military has its fags and thinking that Russia holds a special place among them is hilarious. Thinking that homos in military is a commie invention is gay. I need a break from this autism.
This isn't guys being gay in the military, that's existed since basically the beginning of civilization and in some cases was actually used effectively, for example by Thebes with their Sacred Band. This is brutal, pointless hazing involving anal rape and other forms of humiliating violence and exploitation that have caused many deaths due to suicide and retaliation.

This doesn't happen in other countries, period.

That being said it would have been cool to live in Thebes back then, joining an elite unit of gay men to kick Sparta's shit in.
 
This isn't guys being gay in the military, that's existed since basically the beginning of civilization and in some cases was actually used effectively, for example by Thebes with their Sacred Band. This is brutal, pointless hazing involving anal rape and other forms of humiliating violence and exploitation that have caused many deaths due to suicide and retaliation.
Yeah, it really says a lot about someone if they're just focusing on it being gay rather than it just being normalized sexual assault.
 
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