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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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Z-tard begs Chechens not to rape their soldiers, sounds apologetic for daring to address Kadyrov in his video. Very respectfully and calm, as if someone just stepped on his foot and not raped their fellow brothers in arms. Christ.
I won't bother to fully transcript it, so here's a TL;DR translation: "Sorry, but could you stop raping our soldiers pretty please, if it isn't too much to ask. We're all in this together, fighting fascists and liberating our land, this stuff causes a bit of friction between us so it's not very productive. Thanks, luv ya!"
>russian begging chechens for mercy
yeltsin spinning in his grave while dudayev and maskhadov are laughing their asses off
 
Z-tard begs Chechens not to rape their soldiers, sounds apologetic for daring to address Kadyrov in his video. Very respectfully and calm, as if someone just stepped on his foot and not raped their fellow brothers in arms. Christ.
Seems to be more specifically about LNR/DNR fodder, would need more context to figure out as to how all this is happening.
I won't bother to fully transcript it, so here's a TL;DR translation: "Sorry, but could you stop raping our soldiers pretty please, if it isn't too much to ask. We're all in this together, fighting fascists and liberating our land, this stuff causes a bit of friction between us so it's not very productive. Thanks, luv ya!"
To me it doesn't look like his lips or mouth are moving throughout that video and it almost looks like it's been voiced over. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ukranians had done that seeing as they've faked loads of 'news' throughout this war. He doesn't seem to pause or stammer once while giving that entire monologue and I doubt very much that he would have practiced recording that message seeing as he's in a moving vehicle.
 
i'm not convinced that scores of javelins and nlaws will flood the black markets around the globe due to this conflict, at least not enough to equip a real army for a real war.

also i'm not sure that expensive western high tech tanks would fare much better against these state of the art anti tank weapons. i think these missiles will crack leopards and abrams just as effectively as they crack t72s.

Modern anti-tank weapons would in-op an M1A3, but wouldn't frag the crew.

The first Gulf War didn't stymie Russian arms sales, though, so this probably won't affect them much, either, I guess.

It did, but not in visible ways.

tl;dr: Russia covered the Iraqi curbstomping with the (true) assertions that embargos had prevented servicing of the tanks for 5+ years (so you better buy spare parts!). Buyers pushed back, and either wanted modernized tanks at a discount or more of them.
 
To me it doesn't look like his lips or mouth are moving throughout that video and it almost looks like it's been voiced over. I wouldn't be surprised if the Ukranians had done that seeing as they've faked loads of 'news' throughout this war. He doesn't seem to pause or stammer once while giving that entire monologue and I doubt very much that he would have practiced recording that message seeing as he's in a moving vehicle.
You can see the mask puff or get sucked in as he exhales/inhales, it's just really thick, nor wrapped tightly around his face, so isn't affected by his mouth movement as much. He looks at the camera as he emphasizes certain words as well. No, of course he just filmed himself driving for no reason. I speak the language and can see that it's genuine.

You guys might remember this man, Evgeny Nuzhin from one of the PoW interviews. Wagner recruited him from prison and he was captured in Ukraine, he expressed that he would fight for Ukraine if they allow him to stay. The claim is that he was kidnapped (yeah, right) from Kiev, some say he was exchanged for 20 Ukrainian soldiers. Wagner executed him with a sledgehammer, you can find the footage out there. They're worse than animals.

https://theatlasnews.co/partner-art...reported-kidnapping-from-ukrainian-captivity/
So I watched a bit, in his statement "at the gallows" he said that he was knocked out at the streets of Kiev and woke up in that basement, where he was told that he's going to be "judged".
I find it hard to believe that he was just let go to stroll around Kiev as a PoW, gonna need more information on how that happened. Might be some backroom exchange deal.

Human cruelty knows no bounds.
 
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You can see the mask puff or get sucked in as he exhales/inhales, it's just really thick, nor wrapped tightly around his face, so isn't affected by his mouth movement as much. He looks at the camera as he emphasizes certain words as well. No, of course he just filmed himself driving for no reason. I speak the language and can see that it's genuine.

You guys might remember this man, Evgeny Nuzhin from one of the PoW interviews. Wagner recruited him from prison and he was captured in Ukraine, he expressed that he would fight for Ukraine if they allow him to stay. The claim is that he was kidnapped (yeah, right) from Kiev, some say he was exchanged for 20 Ukrainian soldiers. Wagner executed him with a sledgehammer, you can find the footage out there. They're worse than animals.

https://theatlasnews.co/partner-art...reported-kidnapping-from-ukrainian-captivity/
So I watched a bit, in his statement "at the gallows" he said that he was knocked out at the streets of Kiev and woke up in that basement, where he was told that he's going to be "judged".
I find it hard to believe that he was just let go to stroll around Kiev as a PoW, gonna need more information on how that happened. Might be some backroom exchange deal.

Human cruelty knows no bounds.
video of his execution is up in the other thread
 
Supposedly on the polygon near Moscow, mobilized is chewing out officer for being forced to march while they should be preparing for war, barely having any real practice, calling their training "profanation" and "imitation". Such as lying around for two weeks and only getting to shoot 5 times, 15 rounds each, shooting at imaginary targets instead of real ones on the tank polygon instead of infantry polygon etc.
"What the fuck is this?! Are we going to fight in the war while marching? No? Then why the fuck are you doing this?!" - this dude is hilarious, absolutely dismantling superior officers for wasting their time. A little more and perhaps they'll start waking up. At least they got to see that it's all a fucking sham.

Definitely look like something that second strongest army in Ukraine would do:
Jesus...
 
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i'm not convinced that scores of javelins and nlaws will flood the black markets around the globe due to this conflict, at least not enough to equip a real army for a real war.

also i'm not sure that expensive western high tech tanks would fare much better against these state of the art anti tank weapons. i think these missiles will crack leopards and abrams just as effectively as they crack t72s.
I agree with the comment about the black market, as the Ukraine War seems to have a pretty high attrition/consumption rate for ATGMs.

In a perfect scenario, yes a Javelin or NLAW (or even SPIKE) could crack an Abrams, Leo 2, Challenger, etc. because the missiles are top-attack, and the top is the least armored sections of most tanks.
The question becomes 1) could Western softkill systems (both APS and flares/decoys) throw off or hardkill systems (i.e. Israeli Trophy) shoot down or even impair flight profile of the warhead before it impacts.

HOWEVER, one issue to keep in mind between Western and Russian+ derived tanks is the actual kill itself. Abrams were knocked in the 1st Gulf War by accidental friendly fire from Hellfire missiles, and most of the crews survived (those that died perished later under medical care), while Soviet designs have the notorious "turret toss" issue where the whole tank blows up from the inside-out, killing most the crew right then and there.
So one factor considered when deciding Western v Soviet-derived tanks is "do we care about the likelihood of crew survival when the tank gets knocked out???"
 
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All taking the Hoover Dam required was one Stealthy Lone Wanderer in Power Armor with a Sniper Rifle. And VATS Maximized for Headshots.
A sniper rifle? Such a plebian weapon. I'd go with a gauss rifle, a plasma caster, a grenade launcher with plasma grenades, or an anti-materiel rifle. That, and a proton axe for our dear friend Lanius.

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At least when Hitler's generals were lying to him, they were doing so because they couldn't follow his impossible orders. With Putin, his officials lied to his government because they were getting extra money on the side. So much for the great patriotic Russian armed forces. They're about as patriotic as Scrooge McDuck.
 
i'm not convinced that scores of javelins and nlaws will flood the black markets around the globe due to this conflict, at least not enough to equip a real army for a real war.

also i'm not sure that expensive western high tech tanks would fare much better against these state of the art anti tank weapons. i think these missiles will crack leopards and abrams just as effectively as they crack t72s.
My point wasn't that Javelin's etc can't take out western tanks. But the western governments fielding said tanks are less likely to deploy said tanks against their own civilian populations. Whereas someplace like Western China wher ethey line the locals up for Organ Harvesting? The presence of those types of man portable systems get very worrying. If an Abrams catches a secondhand Javelin somewhere out in some foreign shithole its bad, but its not "overthrow the government" sort of bad. Whereas if Tank Man in the next Tiananmen Square suddenly drops to his knees and whips out his hot rocket of love?
 
My point wasn't that Javelin's etc can't take out western tanks. But the western governments fielding said tanks are less likely to deploy said tanks against their own civilian populations. Whereas someplace like Western China wher ethey line the locals up for Organ Harvesting? The presence of those types of man portable systems get very worrying. If an Abrams catches a secondhand Javelin somewhere out in some foreign shithole its bad, but its not "overthrow the government" sort of bad. Whereas if Tank Man in the next Tiananmen Square suddenly drops to his knees and whips out his hot rocket of love?
We can only hope.
 
The question becomes 1) could Western softkill systems (both APS and flares/decoys) throw off or hardkill systems (i.e. Israeli Trophy) shoot down or even impair flight profile of the warhead before it impacts.
Javelins can be soft-killed by IR opaque smoke which even Russian tanks are equipped with but that relies on someone inside the tank actually seeing the launch and popping it.
 
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Javelins can be soft-killed by IR opaque smoke which even Russian tanks are equipped with but that relies on someone inside the tank actually seeing the launch.
Yes, I'm aware. That fall's under the "softkill" category.

Of course with the Russian tanks of the Russian Federation, it also requires that the IR smoke not have been sold off and replaced with useless look-alike dummies so that Commander Korruptikov can pocket the funds.
 
Of course with the Russian tanks of the Russian Federation, it also requires that the IR smoke not have been sold off and replaced with useless look-alike dummies so that Commander Korruptikov can pocket the funds.
Or for it not to have been shoddily manufactured using substandard Chines knock off parts so that executive Korruptikov can pocket the funds.
 
A sniper rifle? Such a plebian weapon. I'd go with a gauss rifle, a plasma caster, a grenade launcher with plasma grenades, or an anti-materiel rifle. That, and a proton axe for our dear friend Lanius.


At least when Hitler's generals were lying to him, they were doing so because they couldn't follow his impossible orders. With Putin, his officials lied to his government because they were getting extra money on the side. So much for the great patriotic Russian armed forces. They're about as patriotic as Scrooge McDuck.
I've only started watching, but Putin's generals built palaces with money meant for their soldiers. No doubt, Putin will make a few scapegoats, but this dishonesty and performative hypocrisy (when in respect of the state religion or fighting corruptions or patriotism) seems to permeate a whole country, not just that mix of professionals, kontrakni and Wagners convicts. If someone looks on a maps service like Google Streetview, it's easy to find Russian cities like Tomsk which are barely paved off the main street. There might be poorly roads in an American or European city, but not as bad, plus apartment developments where basic services were never belt, a degeneration from an imperfect situation before the age of Putin or Yeltsin. The Ukrainian airforces probably wondered if there would be anything left of them. In fact after a bit of dispersal, the Ukrainians were able operate fairly effectively despite their limited numbers and fairly outdated equipment, with the SU-27, SU-25, SU-24M or MiG-29 (which UA had quite a success in the maintenance and upgrade sector, perhaps not cheaper, but without the baggage of dealing directly with the Putin empire) plus the Mi-24 Hind, Mil Mi-8 T, Mil Mi-17 helicopters. There's men lacking socks, and good quality uniforms. Putinboos on Twitter, include mid wit midwestern American fans probably still claim that the Kherson was a master retreat, but I think even Russian TV, maybe Igor Girkin or whoever on Telgram, reflect a bit of the disaster, albeit casting it in the form of useless generals failing Putin. Corruption becomes rampant in dysfunctional despotisms. A high quality military might give rise to impudent political generals as appeared in the post Soviet days. Degraded dishonest generals with palaces mightn't be so effective, but they'd be good enough. It certainly appears not to be the case now.

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Well on the topic of tanks it also helps when you deploy them with infantry rather than just driving them about on their own so they can get ambushed with ridiculous ease.
It's like they really were banking on that bias.
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A sniper rifle? Such a plebian weapon. I'd go with a gauss rifle, a plasma caster, a grenade launcher with plasma grenades, or an anti-materiel rifle. That, and a proton axe for our dear friend Lanius.
Light machine gun. Load it up with Match rounds and let 'er rip. If you use the JSUE mod that gives the Automatic Rifle a sane spread that works too.
 
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