US US Politics General - Discussion of President Biden and other politicians

 

[Random Internet Person]

Gehenna is more qualified to answer this in depth, but I think the next two years will determine whether or not Biden will try and run for a second term. It's convenient for TPTB to keep him around to serve as this figurehead to Democrat interests while they continue to fight behind the scenes and ignore the grievances of their constituents. I personally hope he runs again because the only remotely viable alternative is probably gonna be AOC, or God forbid another round of Hillary.

What are the chances someone within the Democratic Party will challenge Biden for the nomination?

In my opinion (and in a sane world) it's damn near guaranteed in the next two years, especially if his lucidity slips too hard to plausibly deny, among many other outside factors like how bad the economy shits itself, how much internal turmoil continues between the Democrat sub-factions, etc.

Who the Democrats would choose is another story... My money is still on Queen Clinton.

Id say the odds are near zero. If they want Kamala, they have to calculate it to get ten years at most, but otherwise the DNC has a habit of carefully cultivating candidates and only sending the one that they deem the best for their interests, even if they’re in a crisis to keep MAGA at bay.

Pretty sure AOC has already whined about Biden (never mind the "leadership" of her party). As for who will replace Biden, dare I say Gavin Newsom? We already know he'll have the West Coast and aunt Nancy backing if he decided to run.

That could also mean the Democrats going all in on the progressives. Too much could be done too quickly, and the agenda could be ruined that way.

 

[verissimus]

That could also mean the Democrats going all in on the progressives. Too much could be done too quickly, and the agenda could be ruined that way.

Uh-huh, and Biden has demonstrated to be a real "moderate" huh? Even if this is true, there simply isn't anyone else out there with that much clout or isn't over 75.

 

[SBG]

Use every one of their tactics because the only way to make leftoids stop doing something is to take advantage of it. Ballot harvest, pay the homeless to vote, cause clusterfucks at blue county polling places, etc.

Republicans really need "community organizers". Like Scott Pressler who goes around trying to register people to vote Republican and generally just being a promoter of the right.

People like that shouldn't be rare, they should be employed by right wing charities or political groups getting paid six figures to go even further with their activities.

There also should be goofy stuff done like some of the singalong stuff and street performances that some people have done. Silly stuff that can go online as just fun moments of supporting Republicans. May seem cringe when you see leftists doing those silly parody songs, but doing these little political pastiches can be fun for people wanting to go out to a political event which is the main goal. Because it should be fun to be on your political side, it makes people more enthusiastic to vote and it makes them more confident in just laughing off criticisms from the left.

 

[The Last Stand]

The war truly is on. That or the scheme os working. Who could have guessed purity tests would become a thing?


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That guy is a fucking nonce. And shave your unibrow, man!

 

[Potatoherder]

Republicans really need "community organizers". Like Scott Pressler who goes around trying to register people to vote Republican and generally just being a promoter of the right.

People like that shouldn't be rare, they should be employed by right wing charities or political groups getting paid six figures to go even further with their activities.

There also should be goofy stuff done like some of the singalong stuff and street performances that some people have done. Silly stuff that can go online as just fun moments of supporting Republicans. May seem cringe when you see leftists doing those silly parody songs, but doing these little political pastiches can be fun for people wanting to go out to a political event which is the main goal. Because it should be fun to be on your political side, it makes people more enthusiastic to vote and it makes them more confident in just laughing off criticisms from the left.

This comes back to the core issue: the GOP refuses to fund anything that will increase their chances of winning. Until the voters start refusing to donate to the national party and instead go directly to the local/campaigns it won't change. Trump really needs to start harping on that and make that a battle cry of his run.

 

[Some Badger]

Id say the odds are near zero. If they want Kamala, they have to calculate it to get ten years at most, but otherwise the DNC has a habit of carefully cultivating candidates and only sending the one that they deem the best for their interests, even if they’re in a crisis to keep MAGA at bay.


That could also mean the Democrats going all in on the progressives. Too much could be done too quickly, and the agenda could be ruined that way.

Half a year ago I shared the sentiment with a lot of posters here that the Dems had an extremely shallow pool of potential candidates to choose for nomination, but given the results of the midterms, they currently seem emboldened enough that they could probably run any of their major picks against a Republican candidate not named Donald J. Trump and beat them out easily without a little rigging in their favor. Whether or not that high wears off by the start of next year remains to be seen, but they're currently doing victory laps over the Senate on Twitter, so shit's pretty grim.

 

[Meat Target]

Gimma clocks, but I see the fortifying worked for Cortez-Masto and Kelly.

I would say drive a Minecraft stake into that old vampire McConnell's heart, but he doesn't have one. So save your Minecraft stakes. Try garlic instead.

 

[Oxous]

So this might be why they were so keen on sending money to Ukraine. Don't know the veracity of this story apart from that the fact FPX has gone under is confirmed.

SBF is a very crooked scumbag, and his connections with the SEC and politicians (he hung out with Congressmen of both parties) absolutely deserve the attention that it's currently being given, but FTX has nothing to do with why foreign aid is being sent to Ukraine. This article seems like it's drawing to draw a connection where one doesn't exist. I mean, for one thing, most of the aid they imply was invested on FTX (without any proof) was sent in the form of equipment and not actual money...

 

[Fatboi Gus]

My take on the whole De Santis situation is that I genuinely can't figure out if he'd be a better pick than Trump. Here are my general thoughts

• He's a fantastic governor because he is entirely willing and able to use all the tools at his disposal to impose his agenda and implement his base's desires. That being said, I'm unsure how he'd fare in DC due to the agencies that'd be tasked with supporting his vision have demonstratively been captured by the left, as evidence by Trump's presidency.
• De Santis is presented as more electable than Trump. It's true that he's far slicker and effective in his communication. That being said, Trump's "off the cuff" style of talking IS what endeared him to so many people. He looks real, not just some empty suit regurgitating carefully curated talking points. In addition, Trump has a unique appeal in the Rust Belt due to his anti-globalism rhetoric and, as pointed out in earlier posts, the GOP needs the Rust Belt to win. If De Santis can reproduce this Rust Belt popularity (managing to get some meaningful manufacturing development in Florida would go a long way), that'd make the point moot. Finally, I think "electability" as a desirable attribute is a trap; any GOP candidate will automatically become Ultra Mega Bitler for Realz this time. Just look at how the media talked about uber milquetoast white bread Romney FFS.
• De Santis has the support of all the wrong people, which makes me fear that it'd be a repeat of the Tea Party being subverted by the GOPe, except with MAGA this time. I'm afraid that Trump's the American Republic's Grachii brothers. If MAGA fails due to the uniparty, the next person the MAGA electorate will back won't be politician or a businessman, it'll be a man in uniform. After all, if "voting harder" clearly isn't working, WHY wouldn't the American pleb throw their support at an American Caesar?

Like I said, I'm having a hard time making up my mind on all of this.

 

[X Prime]

The problem is, again, independents/centrists.

Remember that most independents/centrists are the dumbest of the dumb, the most sheeplike of the sheep. Dems who like to pretend they aren't too craven to call themselves Dems or Reps who know that calling themselves one creates social problems in some areas.

In other words, the morons who care about a little thing called "decorum."

 

[Sithis]

I remember several months ago I autistically postulated ITT that I was suspicious that the Dems were sending so many billions to Ukraine because they planned to launder some of it to refuel The Machine for fraud-a-paloozza 2.0. iirc I was rebuffed by @Gehenna and some others with claims that even if all the money we sent to Ukraine went back into the fraud machine it wouldn't be enough to do the same shit they did in 2020.

Now that the FTX scandal is coming to light I can't help but feel like playing the lottery. Probably a better use of time and effort than voting at this point.

 

[X Prime]

Some people have a bad habit over here of following political "sages."

Remember HK-47? How he absconded pretty quickly after the 2020 election, all the Durham probe he was hyping out ended up coming to naught, etc?

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

Out of all places getting fucking with ESG Utah is the weirdest. What are they doing where they even had to touch the poison pill in the first place? If it's banking why aren't they just dealing with intrastate banking? No way in hell that state has a bunch of jews infesting the local banks to deny banking for the church.

It's the LDS church itself friendo. Where do you think all that tithing money is going? It's certainly not going to free missions and their temple construction is a tiny drop in the bucket. They own massive investment holdings and tons of land. Blackrock has them by the balls. It's not a coincidence that they recently brought out the diversity talking points and told all their members to get the vax. The LDS church itself needs to be ESG compliant. Try listening to their next conference, if you can stomach hearing the Antichrist's voice through their mouths.

It's obviously not working well enough though, since the breakfast sandwich lost here. Romney is probably shitting bricks because he's next on the chopping block.

 

[X Prime]

Isn't Salt Like City a hive of degeneracy on par with any city in a blue state?

 

[Die Dunkle Maus]

The problem is, again, independents/centrists.

Remember that most independents/centrists are the dumbest of the dumb, the most sheeplike of the sheep. Dems who like to pretend they aren't too craven to call themselves Dems or Reps who know that calling themselves one creates social problems in some areas.

In other words, the morons who care about a little thing called "decorum."

Republicans- "They're cheating in every election we don't win! They're pedophile communist baby blood drinkers who are plugging a killer vaccine! I won't get the Biden jab, reeeeee most important election ever"

Democrats- "They're cheating in every election we don't win! They're pedophile fascist child murderers who are plugging a killer vaccine! I won't get the Trump jab, reeeeee most important election ever"

Republicans and Democrats- "Independents are the dumbest of the dumb!"

God, you people are relentlessly stupid, flip sides of the moron coin.

 

[Scale Smerch]

De Santis has the support of all the wrong people, which makes me fear that it'd be a repeat of the Tea Party being subverted by the GOPe, except with MAGA this time. I'm afraid that Trump's the American Republic's Grachii brothers. If MAGA fails due to the uniparty, the next person the MAGA electorate will back won't be politician or a businessman, it'll be a man in uniform. After all, if "voting harder" clearly isn't working, WHY wouldn't the American pleb throw their support at an American Caesar?

This hearkens back to IIRC some discussion in the old thread where it was recognized that Trump wasn't a saviour - he was an anchor. Trump's effect was never effecting lasting change, it was giving marginalized voters an outlet for their frustration and melancholy, a guy who simply 'got it' and gave them an outlet sorely lacking over the preceding Obama (and to a degree Bush) years.

The thing the modern left has not learned is that shutting down opposition voices, subverting their communication channels, and manipulating systems against them doesn't eliminate them, it only frustrates them, angers them, and gets them stewing in their own form of echo chamber. You become this blatant with top-down control and it's simply a matter of time before someone with sufficient charisma and gravitas decides to say fuck it and go all-in on dictatorship. It's not to say that RWDS would actually prevail in such a scenario, but the thing holding peaceful relations is gone and the resulting outcome will irrevocably change the face of American society.

We're careening down a path to serious trouble and major upheaval and few in supposed charge care because they honestly think it'll never happen to them. Or if you will, a game of musical chairs where the current politician hopes he's not the one left standing when the music stops.

 

[Mewtwo_Rain]

I remember several months ago I autistically postulated ITT that I was suspicious that the Dems were sending so many billions to Ukraine because they planned to launder some of it to refuel The Machine for fraud-a-paloozza 2.0. iirc I was rebuffed by @Gehenna and some others with claims that even if all the money we sent to Ukraine went back into the fraud machine it wouldn't be enough to do the same shit they did in 2020.

Now that the FTX scandal is coming to light I can't help but feel like playing the lottery. Probably a better use of time and effort than voting at this point.

To be fair to @Gehenna he has at least pointed out that he doesn't know everything (nor does anyone) and some of his claims could be wrong. Personally I see it like this within each new political event, there are two major outcomes, either the glass-is-half-full outcome or the glass-is-half-empty outcome, it just so happens Glass-half-empty predicters were right including on how the democrats are already invested in illegal operations to fuel the machine they're running, I personally don't see how they could run out as long as they continue illicit operations to continue making and laundering their money around. That's just me though. In other words you weren't the only one who thought so.

There can be more than two potential outcomes/prediction outcome possibilities but when people have a certainty of two likely outcomes it boils down to those main two.

Some people have a bad habit over here of following political "sages."

Remember HK-47? How he absconded pretty quickly after the 2020 election, all the Durham probe he was hyping out ended up coming to naught, etc?

Nothing wrong with following political insiders and "sages" as long as you realize there needs to be room for an opposing belief on the outcome, and understand even if they are right or predict correctly multiple things they are not an omnipresent being and open to human error margin.

 

[ForTheHoard]

Some people have a bad habit over here of following political "sages."

Remember HK-47? How he absconded pretty quickly after the 2020 election, all the Durham probe he was hyping out ended up coming to naught, etc?

The only sage I follow in the thunderdome is @Internet War Criminal

 

[Spasticus Autisticus]

The thing the modern left has not learned is that shutting down opposition voices, subverting their communication channels, and manipulating systems against them doesn't eliminate them, it only frustrates them, angers them, and gets them stewing in their own form of echo chamber. You become this blatant with top-down control and it's simply a matter of time before someone with sufficient charisma and gravitas decides to say fuck it and go all-in on dictatorship. It's not to say that RWDS would actually prevail in such a scenario, but the thing holding peaceful relations is gone and the resulting outcome will irrevocably change the face of American society.

I think they do understand this, and it's a feature, not a bug. They think they have enough control that they can simply divert the frustration into controlled opposition and crush any legitimate threats to their power. I'm increasingly of the opinion that their assessment is correct.

 

[Zbk3VmLfujjzjxBd43tL]

Half a year ago I shared the sentiment with a lot of posters here that the Dems had an extremely shallow pool of potential candidates to choose for nomination, but given the results of the midterms, they currently seem emboldened enough that they could probably run any of their major picks against a Republican candidate not named Donald J. Trump and beat them out easily without a little rigging in their favor. Whether or not that high wears off by the start of next year remains to be seen, but they're currently doing victory laps over the Senate on Twitter, so shit's pretty grim.

After what we saw in 2020 and earlier this week, Fetterman (or even that dead guy who won his election in PA) could beat any Republican candidate, especially Donald Trump. Like I don't understand why people are making fun of MSNBC for proposing it. If Biden weren't proof enough already, Fetterman is yet more proof anyone with a (D) next to their name can defeat any challenger.

SBF is a very crooked scumbag, and his connections with the SEC and politicians (he hung out with Congressmen of both parties) absolutely deserve the attention that it's currently being given, but FTX has nothing to do with why foreign aid is being sent to Ukraine. This article seems like it's drawing to draw a connection where one doesn't exist. I mean, for one thing, most of the aid they imply was invested on FTX (without any proof) was sent in the form of equipment and not actual money...

It's an undeniable fact that at least SOME of the aid was invested on FTX and at least SOME of it made its way back into the pockets of Democrat politicians. It's just one component of the money laundering machine that is Ukraine.

The thing the modern left has not learned is that shutting down opposition voices, subverting their communication channels, and manipulating systems against them doesn't eliminate them, it only frustrates them, angers them, and gets them stewing in their own form of echo chamber. You become this blatant with top-down control and it's simply a matter of time before someone with sufficient charisma and gravitas decides to say fuck it and go all-in on dictatorship. It's not to say that RWDS would actually prevail in such a scenario, but the thing holding peaceful relations is gone and the resulting outcome will irrevocably change the face of American society.

We're careening down a path to serious trouble and major upheaval and few in supposed charge care because they honestly think it'll never happen to them. Or if you will, a game of musical chairs where the current politician hopes he's not the one left standing when the music stops.

Your analysis feels too historically deterministic. Not to say "great man" theory is the best explanation of how history works, but it does take an above average person to properly harnass and conduct the forces in play now. Right now, that figure is Trump, and Trump obviously didn't work well in 2016 and will be unable to regain power in 2024.