Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Ewan McGregor]

It's mostly in the Disney books that came out around the time post-buyout. Also the race baiting they tried to pull with Finn, though they didn't do it as much as they did the other human shields they dragged out over time.

I was just being disingenuous. Of course Finn was presented in the least graceful and sensitive manner. The trailer where he takes the helmet and shows his face is made in a very disingenuous manner, so as to scream at you "YEAH, HE'S A STORMTROOPER, AND HE'S BLACK, BAZINGA" and if you answered back "Hey dude, why are you yelling at me? I don't fucking care, give me a fucking Star Wars movie" they would go "WOAH WOAH RACIST, WHO SAID ANYTHING ABOUT BLACK GUYS HERE?". Not to mention that they specifically focused on those who did take issue with a black stormtrooper. And that was before the film itself premiered.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Hollywood has always been corrupt in one way or another. They're just being more obvious with it now.

But Disney never stopped OT nostalgia-fan pandering though, and they didn't just "start" inserting SJW politics into Star Wars either. It was always there. Even though it might not seem like it TLJ has a lot of pandering fan service and OT callbacks, but NOT to the extent of TFA, which was beyond excessive in comparison. And I don't need to tell you that Disney Wars has always been woke as hell.

They were testing the waters in TFA with Rey and Finn as the main characters, pushed it further with Rogue One (especially with a lot of anti-Trump rhetoric back then) but TLJ was when they first became blatant about SJW pandering; it was definitely the anti-OT where they were open about crapping on the OT heroes' legacy instead of hanging on their coattails, and it flopped like hell, so they kept the SJW-pandering to the funnybooks while pandering to TCW/Prequels fans with new shows. Andor seems to be their first concerted effort to pander to EU nerds (which is why EU nerd channels like Generation Tech love it).

 

[Sneed F91]

TLJ was when they first became blatant about SJW pandering;

Disagree, TFA is pretty woke if you pay attention to it. It wasn't obvious at the time due to the hype and pander-y nostalgiabaiting but it's there. I mean the Mary Sue main character has no struggles or obstacles to overcome in the story entirely because she's a woman and almost all of the male characters in the movie are totally incompetent.

it was definitely the anti-OT where they were open about crapping on the OT heroes' legacy instead of hanging on their coattails

Again, TFA did both first. It shat on the OT and rode its coattails to make money off of the fans because Disney knew their OCs sucked.

Andor seems to be their first concerted effort to pander to EU nerds (which is why EU nerd channels like Generation Tech love it).

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I'm pretty sure TFA, RO, Mando, and Soylo copied shit from the EU WAY before Andor did. That's why they got circlejerked so hard by EU fanboys.

 

[Commander X]

I was rewatching ANH and I don't remember the cantina scenes quite looking like this.

"He doesn't like you. I don't like you either. You just watch yourself. We're wanted men. I have domestic charges in twelve systems."

"I'll be careful."

"You'll be dead!...WHERE'S MY GUN"

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Disagree, TFA is pretty woke if you pay attention to it. It wasn't obvious at the time due to the hype and pander-y nostalgiabaiting but it's there. I mean the Mary Sue main character has no struggles or obstacles to overcome in the story entirely because she's a woman and almost all of the male characters in the movie are totally incompetent.

As I said, they were testing the waters. TFA was woke in a way where they tried to pander to OT nostalgia. TLJ openly mocked you for wanting OT nostalgia and outright destroyed the legend of Luke Skywalker by making him a cranky old cunt.

Again, TFA did both first. It shat on the OT and rode its coattails to make money off of the fans because Disney knew their OCs sucked.

It relied on OT nostalgia to fuel it, whereas TLJ slapped that OT fan-pandering away to tell a new story.

I'm pretty sure TFA, RO, Mando, and Soylo copied shit from the EU WAY before Andor did. That's why they got circlejerked so hard by EU fanboys.

They did, but Andor really tapped into things that are not noticed by movie fans. Things like say, the Stormtroopers NOT being the standard infantry units of the Empire, or how the TIE fighters scare the shit out of the people on the ground.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Andor seems to be their first concerted effort to pander to EU nerds (which is why EU nerd channels like Generation Tech love it).

Fuck them, they ain't having me back.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Fuck them, they ain't having me back.

Not that they care. EU fans with public channels are foaming at the mouth for Andor.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

Not that they care. EU fans with public channels are foaming at the mouth for Andor.

Nobody cares. From time to time I run into some faggot that is actually a human being and they are excited about this or that show.

But they got sold the moment they shat on the fans for normies. Fans would always be there with the bare minimum. With normies it's free market, baby. They really don't care much about product and they'll leave you for next big thing. You cannot build anything with them. They have zero attention span or interest beyond not being let out the conversation on the coffee machine at their death-in-life office.

They demolished a generational fandom with the intention to build a new one from scratch in the age of shallowness. And now they're trying to do so by having all their stuff ignore both the lore it's built on (That is, the lucas movies) and the centerpoint of the Disney canon (That is, TFA, TLJ and TRoS). They're beyond fucked.

I don't hear anyone talk about Star Wars. Anyone. On the days leading to TFA everyone, even people who wasn't into it, was excited about it. Now it's dead. My normie acquaitances aren't talking about Star Wars, they're talking Stranger Things, they're talking this Dahmer shit or they're talking The Boys or that Lord of the Rings thing. Definitely not Star Wars.

I don't know who's watching Andor apart from stockholm's syndrome reddit Star Wars fans, the four of them.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I don't hear anyone talk about Star Wars. Anyone. On the days leading to TFA everyone, even people who wasn't into it, was excited about it. Now it's dead. My normie acquaitances aren't talking about Star Wars, they're talking Stranger Things, they're talking this Dahmer shit or they're talking The Boys or that Lord of the Rings thing. Definitely not Star Wars.

That's because Andor isn't for normies. Normies like things that blow up. Normies like the Transformers movies, the MCU, the Mandalorian, and things where action is heavy. Andor gets most of its fans from those guys who read books on how most of the action we see on the films is just 1% of 1% of the entire galaxy.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

That's because Andor isn't for normies. Normies like things that blow up. Normies like the Transformers movies, the MCU, the Mandalorian, and things where action is heavy. Andor gets most of its fans from those guys who read books on how most of the action we see on the films is just 1% of 1% of the entire galaxy.

Are you paid by Kathleen Kennedy or what?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Are you paid by Kathleen Kennedy or what?

No, I just watch trends. Andor does poorly with normies who want to see shit explode, but it hooks in those guys who spend all their days reading books about the political and logistical side of Star Wars.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

No, I just watch trends.

Hopefully you're acquainted with the concept of astroturfing.

Otherwise you sound unsettingly like Eckhart's Ladder

"Yeah, all past content up until this moment was SHIT, but this NEW THING that comes out just this week, this is the real deal, Star Wars is BACK"

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Hopefully you're acquainted with the concept of astroturfing.

Otherwise you sound unsettingly like Eckhart's Ladder

"Yeah, all past content up until this moment was SHIT, but this NEW THING that comes out just this week, this is the real deal, Star Wars is BACK"

I really don't give a shit. Star Wars will never reach that height that it had back in 2005. Some things are better, some things are worse, but at this point, I've got my own definition of SW canon (as in, most of the EU that I like, minus the few things I don't, along with some of the new stuff that I do like) and everything else can go off into the sunset.

I'm too old to give a shit about canon wars and which work truly captures the spirit of Star Wars. Some works do, like say, the old Battlefront, Rogue Squadron, KOTOR, Force Unleashed, and Jedi Knight games. Some expand the series into other genres, like how the James Luceno and Timothy Zahn books made a space fantasy into a hard sci-fi series. Others drew deep into the series' fantasy side, like the Tales of the Jedi or Dark Empire comics. Others felt like a spy thriller like the Empire and Crimson Empire comics. But if Disney Star Wars makes something nice, I'll appreciate it. If not, then I'll just ignore it.

The worst insult you can give to your enemy is ignorance. The more you give attention to something because you hate it, you're doing their advertising for them. Because the people on the opposite side as you suddenly grow a love for something you hate.

 

[Ewan McGregor]

But if Disney Star Wars makes something nice, I'll appreciate it. If not, then I'll just ignore it.

You do you, but I cannot find nice in a product by a company that openly despises me, and makes sure it shows in the writing or production in some way, and that directly ties or takes in consideration, or leads to or makes you difficult to ignore -As is the policy following Marvel capeshit success- all other products, especially the three main god damned products.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

You do you, but I cannot find nice in a product by a company that openly despises me, and makes sure it shows in the writing or production in some way, and that directly ties or takes in consideration, or leads to or makes you difficult to ignore -As is the policy following Marvel capeshit success- all other products, especially the three main god damned products.

Then go for it. Flip the bird at them. No skin off my bones, I'm just having fun.

 

[Sneed F91]

TFA was woke in a way where they tried to pander to OT nostalgia.

I have no idea what this means.

TLJ openly mocked you for wanting OT nostalgia and outright destroyed the legend of Luke Skywalker by making him a cranky old cunt.

Reading between the lines you'll notice TFA did the exact same thing first. Read the title crawl. It's a middle finger to anyone who wanted Luke to turn out successful with a Jedi Academy after ROTJ, on top of being a middle finger fuck you to anyone who hoped the sequels weren't gonna be a rehash of the OT. TLJ is just more antagonistic and in your face about it.

whereas TLJ slapped that OT fan-pandering away to tell a new story.

How the fuck is rehashing ESB and ROTJ a "new story"? It's pretty annoying when people act like TLJ is some original story just because Rian told the fans to fuck off and that's the only thing they could focus on.

Andor really tapped into things that are not noticed by movie fans.

That aging fans want Star Wars to be grimdark, edgy and adult? Rogue One did that already.

Things like say, the Stormtroopers NOT being the standard infantry units of the Empire

Again, Soylo already did that with the mudtrooper scene. That was one of the few things that garbage flick did right.

That's because Andor isn't for normies.

Spending millions of dollars making something that doesn't appeal to the target audience of your product is frankly kind of stupid, not that I'd actually believe that fan explanation for a second though. It's clear to me Disney still wants Star Wars to appeal to the widest audience imaginable because they want money. Normies watched Mando and Kenobi and therefore those shows made money. This isn't even considering the fact that Star Wars is the most normie fucking franchise is existence.

Andor does poorly with normies who want to see shit explode, but it hooks in those guys who spend all their days reading books about the political and logistical side of Star Wars.

That sounds like cope. Star Wars was successful in the first place back in '77 because of "shit exploding" AND compelling the characters + story + setting. You can have both.

Star Wars will never reach that height that it had back in 2005.

Please don't remind me.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I have no idea what this means.

Read between the lines. There's a difference between adding a touch of woke to a clone of ANH, and outright going full woke and making fun of you for wanting more OT-pandering.

Reading between the lines you'll notice TFA did the exact same thing first. Read the title crawl. It's a middle finger to anyone who wanted Luke to turn out successful with a Jedi Academy after ROTJ, on top of being a middle finger fuck you to anyone who hoped the sequels weren't gonna be a rehash of the OT. TLJ is just more antagonistic and in your face about it.

TFA didn't fully show Luke being a failure. For all we know, things were going well before Kylo Ren betrayed him. Then TLJ made it an act of self defense that Luke was a paranoid piece of shit who tried to strike down his innocent nephew, and that led to his nephew becoming evil.

How the fuck is rehashing ESB and ROTJ a "new story"? It's pretty annoying when people act like TLJ is some original story just because Rian told the fans to fuck off and that's the only thing they could focus on.

It's new because ESB and ROTJ didn't make the hero a piece of shit.

That aging fans want Star Wars to be grimdark, edgy and adult? Rogue One did that already.

Again, Soylo already did that with the mudtrooper scene. That was one of the few things that garbage flick did right.

Yes, and those fans are enjoying Andor. Rogue One and Solo didn't quench their thirst, it made them want more. Just as Shadows of the Empire and Dark Forces made people want more SW video games in the past.

Spending millions of dollars making something that doesn't appeal to the target audience of your product is frankly kind of stupid, not that I'd actually believe that fan explanation for a second though. It's clear to me Disney still wants Star Wars to appeal to the widest audience imaginable because they want money. Normies watched Mando and Kenobi and therefore those shows made money. This isn't even considering the fact that Star Wars is the most normie fucking franchise is existence.

Yes, and that's why they're making different products for different fans. Cartoons and Mando/Ahsoka for Filoni fans, Andor for Rogue One/grimdark/EU fans, Kenobi for the Prequels fans, the works.

That sounds like cope. Star Wars was successful in the first place back in '77 because of "shit exploding" AND compelling the characters + story + setting. You can have both.

But it wasn't slice of life, the way the EU fans who came in after ANH wanted it. ANH was more of an Odyssean epic, whereas Andor is more along the lines of "what does the average Joe who has nothing to do with Skywalker do?"

 

[Ewan McGregor]

I understand that Andor is meant to be "It's Game of Thrones, but it's Star Wars" in the same way the Disney films had a "It's Guardians of the Galaxy, but it's Star Wars" (failed) vibe and it pisses me off to no end.

Bitch, give me Star Wars, and if you cannot Star Wars, don't Star Wars at all.

 

[Adamska]

I just kind of listened to Roundhead and let series die since malicious incompetence is mostly afoot and why take what I can get when I can just read or watch old shit. Been enjoying a lot of LoTR sperging despite Rings of Power's pathetic attempt to try and suckle from it. Hell, I think I only ever mention Star Wars aloud to friends when I talk about the hotel, and that's just because I still crack jokes about using it as a cult mass suicide site due to having that level of cursed energy to it.

I just sit here and watch and laugh at the crackheads on this thread trying to justify why they need to be spat on to smoke some rock. The weird flavor of mimicked Doomcuck and the "Stabbed in the Back" myth of fan betrayal reminds me specifically of the time GG Alin fucking killed himself by taking a bad batch of black tar heroin though.

 

[Ghostse]

I just sit here and watch and laugh at the crackheads on this thread trying to justify why they need to be spat on to smoke some rock.

For me, its like watching the family of methheads who took over the local diner. It really sucks that place is now complete shit, but there are other restaurants. Its still infuriating because of all the good memories you have the place, but mainly just watching and laughing as they continue to fuck up and burn it down around them.
And then yeah, the simps who continue to cucksoom media from people who hate them.