Why is Dooming so Popular on Kiwifarms? - The meta discussion

[NickDigger]

So I should kill myself for acknowledging the reality of the situation, and the fact that one of the Right's most profound failings is that they tend to respond to this reality in very maladaptive ways; which in turn leads to them never putting things in place to fix the goddamn problems? I think you're reading far too much into people's posts.

Yes, you should.

If you fold that easily under "POLITICIANS ARE LE BAD", a realization you should've come to in your teen years, then you have nothing to offer and are still mentally a child. You pissing and moaning is every bit as maladaptive because you confuse acknowledgement with wisdom and learned experience. It's like a 10 year old telling a professional linguist English is a shit language because English breaks its own rules in regards to prounciation and spelling of similar looking words and thus it's stupid to speak/write English properly.

 

[Meat Target]

I think this is one of the pitfalls of the age of the internet. News and such travels a lot faster than it used to, and it has lowered attention spans as well. Expecting everything to be fixed in just one or two years (or even a few months at times) is isn’t how the real world works and it makes people easily disappointed. There are smaller things that definitely could be fixed in a short time, but expecting things to suddenly change on a large scale isn’t common. People need to get more used to seeing major problems taking years to actually fix again. A lot of people forget, but with the Founding Fathers, we were under the Articles of Confederation first until Shay’s Rebellion happened. It then led to the creation of the Constitution and that took a few more years to ratify. Those guys saw failure first before success, and it was a multi-year long fix.

Even before that, consider the Revolutionary War. The Continental Army was getting BTFO'd for years. Washington's "prayer at Valley Forge" is a dubious story, as he wasn't a particularly religious man, but it's a good metaphor for how desperate he was. Things didn't turn around until aid from France and Spain arrived.

No mortal regime lasts forever. The sun will eventually set on Globohomo, even if it doesn't seem like it.

 

[Takayuki Yagami]

I think you need to calm the fuck down. This, too, shall pass.

Oh I know. That's beside the point, which is that the American Right is not currently equipped to deal with this shit. A lot of people need to remember that the other side's machine is generations in the making. IMO this can only be combated in broadly two ways.

1. You take over the GOP from the inside out and build off of its smaller but good enough apparatus. This is what Trump represents/represented to a lot of people. This is harder, but has more immediate returns, and you have to contend with the current parasitic leaders.

2. We have our own long march through the institutions and hope that works out, assuming said institutions still exist in that time-frame.

And neither'll work until we get over our hangups about organizing en masse out of the way. In the meantime we all keep ourselves and our own safe and fed.

 

[Coelacanth]

I'll admit I am guilty of doomposting myself. It hurts to see the internet you grew up with being taken over - it's like watching a close friend slowly dying from a terminal disease. But I have come to realise that this is the nature of things in general - very few franchises, movements or even websites preserve their golden age consistently.

As for the doomposting on the Farms? Well other than politics playing a role a lot of lolcows tend to be more fucked up than funny nowadays. For example back when CWC was first discovered it was pretty clear he was fucked up and one day he was going to do something that would ruin what little of his life was still intact. But that's not what people focussed on - they focussed on his crappy drawing skills, his god complex and the amount of tard flailing he did trying to prove he was a sweet, honest, smart, talented, good-looking man who was nothing short of a saint.

Compare that to now. How many cows are there with threads that are more notorious for being fucked up creeps rather than their entertaining attempts to do mental gymnastics and their reactions when they come face-to-face with real life. It's why I liked the Million Pity thread - it's a thread about people who torture, kill and rape monkeys, but the retards on 0chan defending their fetishes were so funny to watch it took the sting out of a very nasty, humanity-crushing subject. Humour is an extremely useful tool - and I feel it's something the Farms should start using again more often.

 

[The Fuck's Going On Here]

Honestly, I kinda feel that half the dooming on KF nowadays is basically autocatalytic. The regular guy sees nothing but negative shit which makes him doom, which makes him look for and fixate on negative shit, which makes him doom even more, which makes him focus even more on negative shit, which makes him doom even more....and so on and so forth.
Part of this is definitely because much of current internet including KF (though much more with news and social media) is dependent on this negative shit for their clicks and profit; and part of this is of course the general economic situation, where there seems to be no visible avenue for growth in IRL major life areas before 35 i.e. setting up your own business or climbing up the ladder of your job, getting your own house, etc.
However, all dooming does is put this shit even further out of reach because then you don't even try for them. Because saying "nigger" to a tranny on the internet is much easier and having less consequence than trying and failing IRL; despite the fact that trying and failing would at least put you in a position to learn, make yourself better and do it better the next time, whereas simply dooming and not trying at all leads to simple, slow degradation. Which is no way to live.
I kinda feel part of the way out of dooming is to get IRL friends, connect with family, find things you're ACTUALLY interested in, and cut yourself off of social media and news bullshit, out of the absolute minimum required. I imagine getting outta social media and news shit would ESPECIALLY work wonders. But once you get an IRL network of people who actually care about you and you care about, dooming will become harder because you can lean on one another during hard times and work together for the better.

 

[Meat Target]

I kinda feel part of the way out of dooming is to get IRL friends, connect with family, find things you're ACTUALLY interested in, and cut yourself off of social media and news bullshit, out of the absolute minimum required. I imagine getting outta social media and news shit would ESPECIALLY work wonders. But once you get an IRL network of people who actually care about you and you care about, dooming will become harder because you can lean on one another during hard times and work together for the better.

It will also reduce the chances of you committing any IRL fedposting, or something similarly stupid.

I know that seems like an out-of-the-blue thought. But for anyone tempted to do so who may be reading: are you willing to break the hearts of your family and friends? Are you willing to be dead to them, literally or figuratively? Are you willing to heap shame, alienation, bewilderment, sadness, and anger upon them...

...for what? A moment of vengeance on your political foes?

 

[Bloitzhole]

I am a big friend of overthinking all matters, because nothing is ever simple, but the explanation might be as banal as "Covid + worst inflation in decades".
Pessimism abounds in times of uncertainty and recession - there is no reason for the KF to be exempt from the emotional fallout.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

It's why I stopped following the mid-terms Happening thread; the minute the Red Wave looked like it was a trickle, one post of a negative outlook and soon everyone followed about how it's hopeless, Democrats cheated again, everything has gone to shit.

Like the shut the fuck up, we get it, shit is bad but you blathering isn't going to help, and it's just performative theater to show off how upset you are. That's really what it is: performances for faggots to state the obvious so that it makes them look world weary.





Like these niggers here. If any of these aren't a parody of doomers and niggerpillers then you all should unironically kill yourselves. You don't sound smart and you don't sound "hardened" by the rough times we're in (and that's really what you want, for people to think your artificially heightened nihilism will make you "tough", so some other mopping tard will look to you as some beacon of experienced wisdom).

Blind negativity is no different than blind optimism, you just bullshit everyone to feeling a certain way so they can't think objectively.

Yeah, pessimism is fair, despair isn't. Why're you bitching about it?

 

[Johnny Eastwood cash]

I had the same question for quite sometime and this cynical attitude is popular everywhere now days It ain't just on kiwifarms but that's another story I think the reason why this attitude is becoming common on the farms is because of autistic thunderdome which is political most of the time. Politics can turn anyone cynical if they focus on it to much

 

[Jaimas]

I've never been one for dooming, even when the situation is at its worst. I know that A&H as a whole has a shockingly large contingent of Doomers, many of whom are also Coomers (Cooming to the Dooming, if one will), but that shit's never been for me. We win and lose, win and lose, and maybe, just maybe, things will be better tomorrow. Each of us only has so much energy and Autism to spend each day and it behooves us all to remember that as terrible as things are, things are, as my aunt was want to say, "Never as fucked as we think we are."

That said, one thing that *is* a perennial hobby here on Deep Thoughts is finding someone doing doomposting and then utterly taking the piss out of it.

Here, I'll do it now:

everything in this shitty world is meaningless. none of it has any value. we live in a jewish hellscape wasteland. everything that you see around you exists to generate profit, to extract money from you. and you, if you participate, exist to extract money from everything else around you. it's one, giant, parasitic system of leeches leeching off leeches, a system will inevitably collapse at any given moment.

every single day, i find myself praying that hitler would return, so that my life could have meaning, so that something resembling hope would once again light up the world. but it never happens. i become more and more convinced that the world literally ended in 1945 and that everything we see, the world such as it is, is merely a strange illusion, a vast graveyard, and we're all just ghosts that somehow forgot we died in 1945.

Point on the doll where the Man in the Pickle Suit Who Was Also Wearing a Yarmaulke touched you.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Honestly, I kinda feel that half the dooming on KF nowadays is basically autocatalytic. The regular guy sees nothing but negative shit which makes him doom, which makes him look for and fixate on negative shit, which makes him doom even more, which makes him focus even more on negative shit, which makes him doom even more....and so on and so forth.
Part of this is definitely because much of current internet including KF (though much more with news and social media) is dependent on this negative shit for their clicks and profit; and part of this is of course the general economic situation, where there seems to be no visible avenue for growth in IRL major life areas before 35 i.e. setting up your own business or climbing up the ladder of your job, getting your own house, etc.
However, all dooming does is put this shit even further out of reach because then you don't even try for them. Because saying "nigger" to a tranny on the internet is much easier and having less consequence than trying and failing IRL; despite the fact that trying and failing would at least put you in a position to learn, make yourself better and do it better the next time, whereas simply dooming and not trying at all leads to simple, slow degradation. Which is no way to live.
I kinda feel part of the way out of dooming is to get IRL friends, connect with family, find things you're ACTUALLY interested in, and cut yourself off of social media and news bullshit, out of the absolute minimum required. I imagine getting outta social media and news shit would ESPECIALLY work wonders. But once you get an IRL network of people who actually care about you and you care about, dooming will become harder because you can lean on one another during hard times and work together for the better.

People also gotta realize that shit doesn’t happen overnight, and that just because something hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean it’s never going to happen. On a historical timescale, stuff happening over the course of a decade is a pretty brisk pace. Short of all-out nuclear war, there are very few events that can cause things to happen on a dime. Rome didn’t fall in a day, but just because it had stuck around

 

[Ultrapenguin]

- #1: A combination of the time of year along with inflation has had a depressant effect I think. At least in the northern hemisphere it's getting towards winter.

- #2: You can hear whenever they doom that it's never like "I'm getting older and there doesn't seem to be a lot of opportunity, I'm afraid I'll never get to have a wife and family", it's always regurgitating TV news-tier reasoning why everything is terrible, or why "their" side lost or w/e.

It's pretty obvious that what's really wrong in these people's lives, whether they realize it or not, is that they don't actually have any sense of purpose and possibly no genuine confidence in their agency as an individual. The fact they're so obsessed with the type of collectivist "Us vs. Them" type thinking betrays that.

I'm forced to wonder: what do they even want? What would an ideal world be for them? Are they like trannies, so they want society to coddle them like they're infants and somehow drag them along to fulfillment?
That won't happen, the system within this lifetime will probably never lionize or coddle them, their "side" as they understand it will never win, the best they can hope for is individual opportunity (opportunities which will never be announced on the news or internet just begging for them to partake).

- #3: The fact is we're all doing this on the internet, and the internet sucks ass. I think even the act of trying to communicate online is kind of depressing because IRL you can communicate 10x as much with half as many words. People will naturally doom online since prolonged computer usage destroys people's minds and encourages collectivist thinking.

People also gotta realize that shit doesn’t happen overnight, and that just because something hasn’t happened yet, doesn’t mean it’s never going to happen. On a historical timescale, stuff happening over the course of a decade is a pretty brisk pace. Short of all-out nuclear war, there are very few events that can cause things to happen on a dime. Rome didn’t fall in a day, but just because it had stuck around

Yeah, but I think that might go back to that bit in #2 about age.
I get the impression that a lot of the people dooming are probably adult men at an age where they should traditionally be more established, but aren't.

So if things get better in 15 years that's nice, but it won't do anything because if a doomer is 30 years old they're going to be seriously aged out by that point and they're barely going to be able to take advantage of it anyways.

There's no doubt things will probably change more over time, but we aren't frozen in cryogenic pods.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

I remember during the Kye Rittenhouse trial everyone was dooming and I was one of the few people asserting that everything was going to work out for him. Sure enough, I was called an idiot, crazy and all sorts of other things for looking at the context and basing my opinion on what the logical conclusion would be.

 

[Un Platano]

I am a big friend of overthinking all matters, because nothing is ever simple, but the explanation might be as banal as "Covid + worst inflation in decades".
Pessimism abounds in times of uncertainty and recession - there is no reason for the KF to be exempt from the emotional fallout.

It goes on a lot deeper than that. The concept of lolcows had degraded well before either of those things happened. The reason why we don't see "classic cows" like Chris anymore isn't that they don't exist. It's quite the opposite- I could look through a fetish tag on deviantart and find thousands of people who are just like old Chris, and no one is interested in them. It's not enough to be a weird sperg who draws bad comics and screams at a camera. To gain any traction a lolcow has to be a dumpster fire who's destroying themselves in some way. Anger is by far the easiest emotion to pull out of someone, and that's why the people who do manage to capture our attention are the ones we hold in contempt. Whether we're built or conditioned that way is debatable, but one of the first steps to being a less miserable person is to realize that there are more ways to react to something you don't like than to get angry at it, and any of them will give you more closure over your feelings than getting angry.

That I attribute to there being too much internet today. The internet is so vast and everything is so easily accessible that you can't possibly focus your attention on everything you can find; rather you're necessarily going to focus most on the things that elicit the strongest emotional response out of you. I don't think we can ever go back to the way things used to be- if we tore down the internet today, we'd just rebuild it the way we left it. I think most people are aware that the cure for this all is to touch grass.

 

[NickDigger]

Yeah, pessimism is fair, despair isn't. Why're you bitching about it?

Because this

I believe the west has moved into bureaucratic totalitarianism and it will move further in that direction as time goes on. It's a bit difficult to be happy with the death of the free world. But op is right that despair isn't going to help any either. Things will continue to decline

is just being a whiny faggot. "Everything will get worse because I believe so" is despair, so don't try to weasel your way out of it by saying "not really despair but despair".

I also bitch about it because easier to wake some of you kids out of experiencing what is essentially a glorified, delayed adult emo-phase than it is telling some random jerk-off at the grocery store why "shit is bad now and why we're fucked and what you can do stop it not really because everything is fucked and we're all going to die."

And to piggyback what others have said, most of you also seem like humorless faggots who forget this is a place to laugh at retards, not your therapy forum to reinforce your negative feedback loop.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Because it's easier, not to mention addicting to be a victim, and believe there's some sort of grand conspiracy at play holding you down instead of nutting up, and dealing with the fact that shit just happens, and that everyone's different, and not an NPC parroting talking points, or a clone who thinks just like you.

 

[WhatIsThePunchline]

Because this

is just being a whiny faggot. "Everything will get worse because I believe so" is despair, so don't try to weasel your way out of it by saying "not really despair but despair".

I also bitch about it because easier to wake some of you kids out of experiencing what is essentially a glorified, delayed adult emo-phase than it is telling some random jerk-off at the grocery store why "shit is bad now and why we're fucked and what you can do stop it not really because everything is fucked and we're all going to die."

And to piggyback what others have said, most of you also seem like humorless faggots who forget this is a place to laugh at retards, not your therapy forum to reinforce your negative feedback loop.

People have good reasons to be pessimistic about the future, and whining about it while claiming you hate whining is dumb.
And no, being pessimistic is not the same as despair, giving up is.

Also, it's like most of your argument is shit no one has ever said. If you want to bitch about a strawman fine, but don't stuff it into my mouth.

 

[Gar For Archer]

Because it's easier, not to mention addicting to be a victim, and believe there's some sort of grand conspiracy at play holding you down instead of nutting up, and dealing with the fact that shit just happens, and that everyone's different, and not an NPC parroting talking points, or a clone who thinks just like you.

So you’re telling me doomers are just a different flavor of nigger?

 

[Bunny Tracks]

So you’re telling me doomers are just a different flavor of nigger?

Unironically yes.

They'd rather bitch about everything being unfair instead of focusing on self-improvement, and actively try to drag down anyone who does like the bucket of retarded crabs they are.

 

[NickDigger]

People have good reasons to be pessimistic about the future, and whining about it while claiming you hate whining is dumb.
And no, being pessimistic is not the same as despair, giving up is.

Also, it's like most of your argument is shit no one has ever said. If you want to bitch about a strawman fine, but don't stuff it into my mouth.

And whining about it while doing fuckall even just for yourself and thinking anyone cares to hear about it is dumb and gay and pathetic.

Also, to quote you for second time

I believe the west has moved into bureaucratic totalitarianism and it will move further in that direction as time goes on [...] Things will continue to decline

Is called "giving up". Maybe don't talk like a strawman and you won't be called a boring humorless nihilist. Here's a 9 year old thread you'll feel right at home in: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/is-there-any-reason-for-humanity-to-be-optimistic-at-all.2283/