Business Pixiv bans offensive art -- Including loli

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Furthermore, the rules or policies of Brand Protection for Card Networks transactions for content that is patently offensive, unethical, or promote criminal activity; such as, by way of example and not limitation:
・Sexual exploitation of a minor
・Incest
・Bestiality
・Rape (or any other non-consensual sexual behavior)
・Non-consensual mutilation of a person or body part
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[Zero Day Defense]

As long as we isolate these websites far away from being accessible to the general public. I’m good with that.

I think it'd be more economic and proper (compared to just squashing them) to have some real age verification, not any of these pansy Scouts' honor-tier "you gotta go back if you're under 18, bucko!" buttons that adult sites already know are easily bypassed by kids-- to say nothing of them marketing to teens.

Put aside that there are sites that already do this-- you have to provide your ID when you're going into a strip club. Same principle should apply, here.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

Not defending loli shit here.

This has already happened when porn sites nuked any content not from a verified account because it might be revenge porn. Just like that the amateur stuff I prefer to fap to was gone and replaced with fake ass high production values porn. Amateur stuffs still there out of the reach of the banks, you just need to change URL.

 

[Sugriva]

I think it'd be more economic and proper (compared to just squashing them) to have some real age verification, not any of these pansy Scouts' honor-tier "you gotta go back if you're under 18, bucko!" buttons that adult sites already know are easily bypassed by kids-- to say nothing of them marketing to teens.

Put aside that there are sites that already do this-- you have to provide your ID when you're going into a strip club. Same principle should apply, here.

I'm not giving my government ID to a porn site of all places.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

I think it'd be more economic and proper (compared to just squashing them) to have some real age verification, not any of these pansy Scouts' honor-tier "you gotta go back if you're under 18, bucko!" buttons that adult sites already know are easily bypassed by kids-- to say nothing of them marketing to teens.

Put aside that there are sites that already do this-- you have to provide your ID when you're going into a strip club. Same principle should apply, here.

The theory is OK, but in practice it isn't. I don't want to link my ID to the porn I consume as an adult. You're never going to stop teens fucking or fapping and people have tried for generations. The only thing the age verification does is make problems for the people that are old enough to consume it.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I have a hard time feeling good about this. I don't like loli and find it and all the other banned stuff disgusting, but this is financial censorship plain and simple. More specifically it's censorship on behalf of a private company who can "do whatever they want and if you don't like it build your own" not accountable to any governments or voters and are not subject to common carrier regulations when they should be. All the retards on twitter debating over whether loli should be banned miss the fact it's extrajudicial censorship that deputizes what should be neutral infrastructure and are the same people who cheer us being deplatformed by payment processors, Cloudflare and other private companies.

Never before have I agreed with a decision while severely hating the reasons.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I'm not giving my government ID to a porn site of all places.

The theory is OK, but in practice it isn't. I don't want to link my ID to the porn I consume as an adult

Even better-- your personal shame of having your identity tied to the porn you would wish to watch (which shouldn't exist because there's nothing wrong with it ) and/or your lack of trust in porn sites to safeguard your verification info will prevent you from watching porn altogether.

Literally no downsides, here.

 

[Blacklight]

Even better-- your personal shame of having your identity tied to the porn you would wish to watch (which shouldn't exist because there's nothing wrong with it ) and/or your lack of trust in porn sites to safeguard your verification info will prevent you from watching porn altogether.

Literally no downsides, here.

I can't tell if this is bait or you're actually this retarded

 

[LurkTrawl]

Non-consensual mutilation

What the hell is consensual mutilation?

 

[Atatata]

What the hell is consensual mutilation?

Self harm, body mod, transformation, tournament fighting, yakuza, bdsm, pregnancy, non civilian casualties, transgender surgery, sexy vampire shit, a lot of stuff could technically fall into that category.

 

[One Quick Post]

Brand Protection for Card Networks transactions

You can't do this because Visa said so. You can't do that because your bank said so. Who needs laws anymore? Just slowly build public acceptance of the complete erosion of freedom of speech by targeting things that are "reasonable" to target (Kiwi Farms, imageboards, piracy websites, gross degenerate hentai, etc) and by the time it effects normies, they'll be too afraid to lose access to their CBDC because they need to keep paying rent for everything they have because you can't buy anything anymore with your digital spending limit.

Anyone who cheers for this is retarded. Things should be made illegal through bills passed by elected representatives, and otherwise legal business should be allowed to operate freely. The way things are going, if you speak out of line a little, the government won't do anything. You'll just be frozen out of the financial system and they'll repossess everything you have.

 

[The Last Stand]

>Incest
>Rape
I'm glad they're cleaning up the loli/zoo shit, but I'm surprised they'd go that far. Incest/rape fantasies might be weird, but there's a massive chasm between that and pseudo cp. The last time I heard any serious moral outrage over rape and incest porn was when the fundies were the moral busy bodies. This might be a big old nothing burger, but it could be indicative of the winds changing direction.

Good, take that smut shit in the dump where it belongs.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I have a hard time feeling good about this. I don't like loli and find it and all the other banned stuff disgusting, but this is financial censorship plain and simple. More specifically it's censorship on behalf of a private company who can "do whatever they want and if you don't like it build your own" not accountable to any governments or voters and are not subject to common carrier regulations when they should be. All the retards on twitter debating over whether loli should be banned miss the fact it's extrajudicial censorship that deputizes what should be neutral infrastructure and are the same people who cheer us being deplatformed by payment processors, Cloudflare and other private companies.

Never before have I agreed with a decision while severely hating the reasons.

I wanted to feel good about this, hence my kinda dumb autistic comment I made previously.

 

[Zero Day Defense]

I can't tell if this is bait or you're actually this retarded

As far as I can tell, you're operating from a presumption that you should be able to coom anonymously, or otherwise that it'd be bad if you couldn't.

I don't hold either presumption, but that's not because I necessarily think you shouldn't (well, you shouldn't be cooming at all, but that's not really my point right now). Rather, I recognize anonymous cooming as a quirk of the development of internet porn and its particularly (and probably intentionally) poor restriction from children-- something that's incongruous with how we deal with the distribution of "adult" material in literally any other facet of society.

You have to flash your ID and prove you're of sufficient age to buy guns, cigarettes, liquor, and even physical pornographic media-- which is also censoriously shrink wrapped. You have to flash your ID and prove you're of sufficient age to enter strip clubs. If you wanted to buy porn on PPV, you'd have to flash step to avoid your dad's belt because you were buying that on his account.

There's zero reason for this to not carry to pornography that happens to be on the internet, except for a barrier that's ultimately trivial for people that are of age. People already pay for pornography-- people already down money on OnlyFans. Being able to use a credit card at all is de facto age verification.

"Kids will always fuck and/or fap", now that I'm actually processing it, is a massively disingenuous non sequitur, grasping at straws. The entire point of the proposal is to mitigate child exposure to pornography, whether or not the success is total. (Nearly) everyone can agree this is a problem when public schools are stocking their library shelves with Gender Queer but somehow it's different when it comes to dealing with businesses that are invariably incentivized in the short and long term to expose children to porn. Businesses that have no reason outside of the borderline mythical goodness of their heart to do so much as preempt access with a trivial "I am over 18" button that is itself a trivially removable HTML element.

Kids watching porn are probably not having sex, and if they were, they probably wouldn't be wasting their time watching porn. We can't do anything about kids coming across the stray Hustler mag by the river, but that by itself is several magnitudes away from having over 1000 hours of sissy hypno at your finger tips by age nine after a fateful summer day where you made a lethal typo in your Google search query.

 

[Eggplant Wizard]

The banks are doing this. This is wrong. Pedo shit should be dealt with by good and honest men using napalm as God intended. The banks are pulling some bullshit while using this as a morality screen.

US Law says if the drawing of a kid isn’t a drawing of real person then get over it. I lean towards burn it to be safe, but I understand that laws are meant to curb the excesses of moral zeal.

To answer why I prefer fire to deal with pedos (since I ALWAYS make this kind of post) is because fire instills a primal fear that can be used to deter future incidents.

 

[The Line]

It's really interesting seeing anime avatars talking about censorship by payment processors that sound like they're directly quoting Josh on a MATI tangent

 

[FILTH Tourist]

In situations like this, i find myself confused as to what side i should be on. Sure, i don't consume or support consuming such art. I would lose nothing it these artists disappeared off the face of the Earth one day. But at the same time, i don't support censoring art. I find art to be incredibly important and censoring it to be stupid.

I'm on the side that is against financial processing companies being the moral arbiters. If Pixv really wants to ditch the extreme stuff that's fine, give a artists heads up so they can move (which they did). But if they are doing to appease visa or some other company so they can conduct business than that is censorship and I oppose it regardless of the art.

 

[Oilspill Battery]

big win, cope and seethe pedos

 

[Oilspill Battery]

People celebrating drawings

Its always "drawings" or "cartoons" or "images" or "art".

They never actually call it by name: "Child porn".

I'd have a fuck of a lot an easier time coming around and understanding people who defend this shit if they actually called it by name instead of obfuscating because the obsfucation just makes me think they want normies and laymen to not understand what is being talked about.

Replace every instance of "drawings/cartoons/etc" in this thread with "Depictions of a 3 year old getting brutally assraped by two older men to be used for sexual gratification" and then we can have a discussion about what should be done on it.

lol, are you high? Where do you think the farms stands because of shit like this? Free speech is only as strong as its weakest link and you will see this being used against you and unpopular speech. Remember, nothing being banned is illegal.


Cheering for sociopaths who engage in daily atrocities for money over censoring pixels on a screen that isn't even illegal is the dumbest fucking shit in the world.

Legality isn't morality. Transing kids is legal. Does that make it moral or good? This shit should both be banned and made illegal. In fact child porn is ALREADY illegal the only difference is the law hasn't caught up.

And in regards to free speech, sexual shit has always been a special seperate case, you can't express yourself by running around naked under indecent exposure laws despite freedom of expression covering freedom to dress however you want.

Sex shit is a special case, every society on the planet knows this.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

i cant help but to feel loil is just an excuse to censor the site of content "Goldberg" dosent like. what reason is there to ban rape, incest, BDSM and monster girls porn other than "this content is degenerate and i dont like it". this is coming from the same people who finance corporations and politicians involved with pedo rings and child trafficking.

on the other hand, Artists these days are one of the biggest assholes on the internet so seeing them panic is pretty hilarious. unless Pixiv tells visa to fuck off, it will end up just as Tumblr and Pornhub.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I've been growing firmer in my stance on porn lately. Just get rid of it. At best it benefits nobody, at worst it hurts people.