Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

An age of Piracy would work rather well for a "golden era" setting since while yes, the pirates cause a lot of trouble and suffering for local systems and possibly sectors and regions, it is still kept somewhat in check. The Chiss being a major Pirate Republic at the time would not be a bad nod and wink to Thrawn, but make the known pirates from the Ascendancy a different character and style than him. Just writing a Thrawn expy would be lame. They wouldn't be the main pirate lord, but part of a band of say nine worst pirate lords who near the climax bond together to essentially push back against the Republic and tell them to fuck off.

I actually had no thoughts on where the Pirate Lord came from, but I figure they likely came from somewhere near the sticks. Not Tatooine because god knows that planet gets used way too much as it is. But something similarly from the Outer Rim. Near-Human or a non-Hutt alien of any sort with the right placing and mood would be ideal, since too many humans in a setting with a load of aliens.

I'd probably have Bounty Hunting as a profession prior to this due to earlier eras still having criminals and radicals that need to be "brought to justice" so to speak, but it rising more and more as a profession during that period would be a neat idea. Especially since as the Pirate Lords reach their worst, they flood in numbers to protect businesses and important folk, and many of them want to make a name by bagging one of the Nine.

A corrupt puritanical sect of Jedi with elements of Dark Side abuse would be a fun secondary issue the Jedi have to face. Especially since on the surface, I'd have them initially simply be in monasteries far away from any of the main sources of civilization. The force flows through them, but people interfere with that in their mind and they just desire this inner peace of oneness with it, alone and enlightened. It's as their leader goes full B'omarr/Cenobite ascetic where things go horridly wrong.

Oh, and one last idea that is oozing into my brain. A tertiary issue? Possibly have the rise of the big Corporations run by aliens that further agitate the pro-humanity faction as shit goes down. Maybe have it be partially due to the rampant piracy, and due to the slightest whispers of Sith bullshit.

But at the end of the day, do not pull out Sith except in the rarest of circumstances... which would never happen because yOu NeEd To InClUdE tHeM.

that sounds like a fun & interesting setting - so Disney won't be doing that.

Maybe have something go wrong in Hyperspace that restrict's the republics ability to respond.
You could even enhance the setting by framing it as "Of course the republic talks about a thousand years of peace of and prosperity - for the Core Worlds, it was" and drive home just how much of a backwater planets like Tattoonie are - there's this entire series of campaigns, this protracted war, that doesn't even rate as important enough for Coruscant history books.

I think the right way to so the Sith things is you have increasing evidence there are sith on the prowl. Make it look like the Pirate King (or his advisor) is Sith - important battles turn to the pirates on events that could only be the work of the force. Then during the big show down with the Jedi, he doesn't use any force abilities just low-cunning.
The Sith Lord was a minor character, using their powers to sow disorder and making the Pirate King look like the Sith to distract the Jedi while his real plan was being put into place.
 
I will say it again, Andor is not a pile of shit. Far from it actually. I think it would be even better received by those on "our side" if it had come out before the ST. So far there has not been one single Filoni creation on screen (that I know of as I dont follow the clone wars stuff like many of you do, is Saw a Filoni creation?). There has been no Jedi or force users where there should not be. I even contend that with a few exceptions the "diversity" in the cast that has been shown has mostly made sense and is believable. Most of the characters look and act like someone who actually lives in the SW galaxy. The characters are willing to shoot and kill not "save what they love" or whatever that asinine lie was.

One thing I thought was interesting on this week's episode 11 was the inclusion of the new imperial ship that was based on Colin Cantwells early designs (they even called it "Cantwell Class"). It worked because they took the overall concept but fleshed it out using the familiar materials and details of Imperial ships. Why this is worth mentioning is that one thing that has always bothered me with disney SW, and Filoni is famous for this, is the obsession with the initial Ralph McQuarie concept art, that when translated to the screen looks out of place compared to the familiar SW designs. Yes Ralph was an incredible artist and designer but his initial designs were modified for the screen (chiefly by Joe Johnston) to give us what we recognize as SW today. Simply inserting these early designs as drawn makes no sense and looks silly. What they did with this ship on Andor was take a concept design and fully develop it to fit within the OT world. They did a good job.

I must say the emotional issues with the droid after the death of the mother was very interesting to say the least.
 
And I thought I wrote walls of text, jesus christ. Here you have my medal for the effortposting.

However, since I can't quote @Creep3r I will address his post in a vague way like a passive aggressive bitch.

1- Agree wholeheartedly with the "Even if product is good, I'm not going to consume due to being tainted by the original sin of sequel movies"

2- Andor is flopping? I was told in this thread it was great and a success and that I should get my dinosaur ass into my private old EU library if I didn't like it because all EU fans we're loving it!

3- Disney still doesn't have a plan. They still don't have a tone they want to set for their Star Wars. They don't know what they're doing. They destroyed a devoted, if admittedly annoying, fanbase to put all the monee on flimsy, flakey, feckless netflix tier audiences. There are no fans to be made in the demographics they seek. Fans are destiny.

4- Even if it's funny, pissing Filoni fans is beyond stupid. Filoni fans are about the only fans left. Get Ahsoka and some three wolves in there in your Game of Thrones knock off, for fuck's sake.

5- Bantam House EU books are based.
 
And I thought I wrote walls of text, jesus christ. Here you have my medal for the effortposting.

However, since I can't quote @Creep3r I will address his post in a vague way like a passive aggressive bitch.

1- Agree wholeheartedly with the "Even if product is good, I'm not going to consume due to being tainted by the original sin of sequel movies"
Thank you boyo, I too enjoy a good word salad spew for all to view. Maybe if the show came out years ago before all of Disney's crap existed and didn't feature any disney aliens and Rogue Juan, my view of it may not have been apathetic.
2- Andor is flopping? I was told in this thread it was great and a success and that I should get my dinosaur ass into my private old EU library if I didn't like it because all EU fans we're loving it!
Yeah, despite the positive reviews, Nielsen ratings have been the worst for any Disney+ original, and disney is now airing it on all of its available channels outside of streaming to try and boost interest.
3- Disney still doesn't have a plan. They still don't have a tone they want to set for their Star Wars. They don't know what they're doing. They destroyed a devoted, if admittedly annoying, fanbase to put all the monee on flimsy, flakey, feckless netflix tier audiences. There are no fans to be made in the demographics they seek. Fans are destiny.
It really is a somber yet phenomenal sight watching the most out of touch boomer company on the planet recreate one of the oldest tales in literary history on a grand scale by killing one of the most profitable golden geese in the world. Truly its a tale as old as time yet none ever learn from Aesop. You will not get more gold from the magic goose by carving it open and butchering it. All you will get is a dead goose and no reward, except maybe a goose dinner you'll forget about after a few days.
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4- Even if it's funny, pissing Filoni fans is beyond stupid. Filoni fans are about the only fans left. Get Ahsoka and some three wolves in there in your Game of Thrones knock off, for fuck's sake.
They're pretty much their only dedicated vocal fan group now and the disasters like Book of Bob and Kenobi's Sistah doing well simply for having Filoni memberberries in them while Andor didn't will only make Disney go into overdrive on the Filoni and Ahsoka pandering from here on out.
5- Bantam House EU books are based.
Ah a fellow connoisseur I see.
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I will say it again, Andor is not a pile of shit. Far from it actually. I think it would be even better received by those on "our side" if it had come out before the ST.
Maybe if DisCanon, Diego Luna and those hideous disney aliens and U-Wings never existed I might've given it a shot back then (ISB wank would've been a win with me 10 years ago), but...
So far there has not been one single Filoni creation on screen (that I know of as I dont follow the clone wars stuff like many of you do, is Saw a Filoni creation?).
... I'll just enjoy the Filoni bashing and feuding.
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If you have any more of these Filonifan triggers please feel free to share them.
 
Great points and ideas!

Apologies, but the Thrawn-nod being one of the nine pirate lords rather than the lone one is a great idea. Behaviour-wise, being a tip-of-the-hat character to what would come, the Thrawn expy is everything he isn't... brash, impulsive, capricious but having just enough of that clinical foresight that we know our Chiss-admiral having.
I figure nine different pirate lords and ladies, with one eventually being proclaimed King as the threads resolve makes the best combination of creating several potential major characters, campaigns, and establishes the seeds of resentment from those in the Core. Also any Chiss privateer being the leader would've been too samey, which is too big of an issue.

Also I'll be honest I thought seven was too samey, since a lot of anime abuses seven bad asses as their standard.

Also that's spot on for how the Thrawn expy should be, since the idea is you can see why he'd succeed, but you then boggle at how different the two are on things and how they think.
About the Corporations rising, it may be too soon during this timeframe. What comes after this pirate lord, lawless epoch would be a good time for the Corps to find their foothold, leading up to Episode I. Hell, show a young Velorum progenitor as a kid during this time, before the family rose to power and politics.
Oh that's perfectly fair. I still do like the concept of a flare up of bounty hunting as a profession. It'd also allow you to play with whatever mix of westerns or samurai style films you wish. Honestly I'd have included more of them as characters than Jedi, since every bounty hunter has a story. Honestly the protagonist for that half would likely be a young fuck up who went into bounty hunting to rebuild an identity and try to find redemption/security in life.

Though the Jedi characters, besides the poor bastards in the cult, would likely be lower on the totem pole due to being out in the sticks.

Maybe one was under a Master who brought some cloud on themself and taints their reputation by proxy. A bit of pottery in shine and all that. Another one is just some poor dumb Padawan whose life falls apart during one of their first mission.
Look at us. A bunch of people shitposting and having a decent discussion over a multi-billion dollar juggernaut and they make garbage like Tam Pozla and trite High Republic stuff.
It is a testament to how hard you have to try to suck that bad that it's trivial to out do their own product.
that sounds like a fun & interesting setting - so Disney won't be doing that.

Maybe have something go wrong in Hyperspace that restrict's the republics ability to respond.
You could even enhance the setting by framing it as "Of course the republic talks about a thousand years of peace of and prosperity - for the Core Worlds, it was" and drive home just how much of a backwater planets like Tattoonie are - there's this entire series of campaigns, this protracted war, that doesn't even rate as important enough for Coruscant history books.

I think the right way to so the Sith things is you have increasing evidence there are sith on the prowl. Make it look like the Pirate King (or his advisor) is Sith - important battles turn to the pirates on events that could only be the work of the force. Then during the big show down with the Jedi, he doesn't use any force abilities just low-cunning.
The Sith Lord was a minor character, using their powers to sow disorder and making the Pirate King look like the Sith to distract the Jedi while his real plan was being put into place.
This is about where I'd go for Sith. At best you only ever deal with their apprentice, and the master at best in small snippets as the hidden dread. At worst, it's just plain paranoia that makes you think they're actually there, but honestly aren't.

Also a sect of Dark Jedi who essentially become inhuman and emotionless monsters would be a more interesting twist. No sith lightning BS, none of that in the open. Just their techniques used for ill.

Like a Dark Jedi with actual fucking Dim Mak style death touch kung fu.
 
Ah a fellow connoisseur I see.
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Old Bevel was entertainingly dark. I wish he was somehow mentioned in Revenge of the Sith so that they didn't have to do gymnastics to keep him. He was apparently snarking over those geonosian engineers about something something giant spray.

Regarding Filoni, I want more Filoni. Filoni and his adventures. FILONI FOREVER AND FOREVER, A HUNDRED YEARS FILONI. Filoni time... all day long forever. Every minute Filoni, Filoni dot com.

I want a wolf every episode. I want fucking time traveling Ahsoka to go back, from the future, to the time she was a Padawan, and talk to herself about herself, and then team up with exiled Ahsoka and make cubed Ahsoka and go all in on Palpatine and kill Palpatine and fuck all those imperials and then remember that this is not supposed to be like this and go back in time to kill herself and being reincarnated in an orange wolf. I want Ahsoka multiverse so can Disney can erase it up everything and write an entire new full of shit, again, and again, and again, full of wolf howls, sombreros and fake texan accents and bald bounty hunters. They have all the money in the world for this. Why cure cancer when we can get more Ahsoka and more wolves?
 
Old Bevel was entertainingly dark. I wish he was somehow mentioned in Revenge of the Sith so that they didn't have to do gymnastics to keep him. He was apparently snarking over those geonosian engineers about something something giant spray.
"Something something giant fly swatter. Something something I think you mean MY hypermatter reactor, Mr. LESSER!"
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Regarding Filoni, I want more Filoni. Filoni and his adventures. FILONI FOREVER AND FOREVER, A HUNDRED YEARS FILONI. Filoni time... all day long forever. Every minute Filoni, Filoni dot com.

I want a wolf every episode. I want fucking time traveling Ahsoka to go back, from the future, to the time she was a Padawan, and talk to herself about herself, and then team up with exiled Ahsoka and make cubed Ahsoka and go all in on Palpatine and kill Palpatine and fuck all those imperials and then remember that this is not supposed to be like this and go back in time to kill herself and being reincarnated in an orange wolf. I want Ahsoka multiverse so can Disney can erase it up everything and write an entire new full of shit, again, and again, and again, full of wolf howls, sombreros and fake texan accents and bald bounty hunters. They have all the money in the world for this. Why cure cancer when we can get more Ahsoka and more wolves?
Fucking wolfaboos.

I figure nine different pirate lords and ladies, with one eventually being proclaimed King as the threads resolve makes the best combination of creating several potential major characters, campaigns, and establishes the seeds of resentment from those in the Core. Also any Chiss privateer being the leader would've been too samey, which is too big of an issue.

Also I'll be honest I thought seven was too samey, since a lot of anime abuses seven bad asses as their standard.

Also that's spot on for how the Thrawn expy should be, since the idea is you can see why he'd succeed, but you then boggle at how different the two are on things and how they think.

Oh that's perfectly fair. I still do like the concept of a flare up of bounty hunting as a profession. It'd also allow you to play with whatever mix of westerns or samurai style films you wish. Honestly I'd have included more of them as characters than Jedi, since every bounty hunter has a story. Honestly the protagonist for that half would likely be a young fuck up who went into bounty hunting to rebuild an identity and try to find redemption/security in life.

Though the Jedi characters, besides the poor bastards in the cult, would likely be lower on the totem pole due to being out in the sticks.

Maybe one was under a Master who brought some cloud on themself and taints their reputation by proxy. A bit of pottery in shine and all that. Another one is just some poor dumb Padawan whose life falls apart during one of their first mission.

It is a testament to how hard you have to try to suck that bad that it's trivial to out do their own product.

This is about where I'd go for Sith. At best you only ever deal with their apprentice, and the master at best in small snippets as the hidden dread. At worst, it's just plain paranoia that makes you think they're actually there, but honestly aren't.

Also a sect of Dark Jedi who essentially become inhuman and emotionless monsters would be a more interesting twist. No sith lightning BS, none of that in the open. Just their techniques used for ill.

Like a Dark Jedi with actual fucking Dim Mak style death touch kung fu.
Two hours of kiwi shitposting has produced a more believable and coherent story concept than 3 years of High Republic brainstorming. SMH
 
"Something something giant fly swatter. Something something I think you mean MY hypermatter reactor, Mr. LESSER!"
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Fucking wolfaboos.


Two hours of kiwi shitposting has produced a more believable and coherent story concept than 3 years of High Republic brainstorming. SMH

It helps when you actually know the universe and care about how it works.
 
@Creep3r and @HandsomeDan (And any other Didney Wahs abused wives)

The problem is it is Disney.
Lets pretend there's a hypothetical world where KKK suddenly got brain parasites (ok DIFFERENT brain parasits) and Furloni was possessed by the ghost of someone with talent and a love for Star Wars (beyond serving as a vehicle for his jailbait waifu), and they made a true-to-author Thrawn series. Zero modern politics, casting based on ability not melanin, original alien designs. All the same themes, Original Cast in there kicking ass and generally not being cucks, and nary a wolf or NuWars character to be seen
.... What would be the point of watching it?
Disney has already shown they will shit on canon when it serves. There's no reason to pay attention or get invested in an on-going story because none it matters. We already know the OC ends up cucked, and alone.

Everything Andor is doing is pointless. It doesn't matter. In 5 years all his work to undo the Empire will be lost, and 15 years later the FO shows up and just takes over again in the span of like 2 weeks. He could have sat at home, watching Anime and beating off, and it would have ended up the same when MaRey Sue shows up to be All of The Jedis.

Its fiction, and while none of it really matters, it extra doesn't matter with Disney.
 
Not really. If it had come out before the ST, it wouldn't have the benefit of the ST being complete shit and make doing the bare minimum praise-worthy.

I disagree, The Force Awakens didn't start on a low bar and was widely well received despite being dog shit
 
I'm not an abused wife, I still despise Disney and modern star wars. I'm just honestly telling yall I enjoy Andor and it is well made. Alot of my friends on here are bashing it but have not actually watched it for any length or at all.

I genuinely like Rogue One as well but I do admit that I am extremely partial to the galactic civil war period. I don't like old republic stuff and don't like the clone wars as realized on screen. I'm not a Jedi fan, I was always interested in the pilots and soldiers over light sabers.

But whatever, I guess I'm just a battered wife.


By the way all the sperging about pirates, I agree. This is something severely lacking from SW on screen. I wrote my own version of what the three prequel films should have been about and Episode 1 would have included a pirate threat to Alderaan. In fact the pirate caused lawlessness with a weak jedi response and a do nothing republic security force was one of the reasons the people demanded the strength of an Empire in my treatment.
 
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I'm not an abused wife, I still despise Disney and modern star wars.

Then why did you watch Andor if you hate Disney?

Look man, you want to waste 10 hours and you say its alright; fine, I believe you think that.
But I just laid out the case why the rest of us would rather do anything other watch it: because there is no point. You like it, cool I guess, the rest of us see no reason to invest time a "deep" show when it'll be shit on by disney the next time they need to hire some trannies to boost their ESG.
 
Regarding Filoni, I want more Filoni. Filoni and his adventures. FILONI FOREVER AND FOREVER, A HUNDRED YEARS FILONI. Filoni time... all day long forever. Every minute Filoni, Filoni dot com.

I want a wolf every episode. I want fucking time traveling Ahsoka to go back, from the future, to the time she was a Padawan, and talk to herself about herself, and then team up with exiled Ahsoka and make cubed Ahsoka and go all in on Palpatine and kill Palpatine and fuck all those imperials and then remember that this is not supposed to be like this and go back in time to kill herself and being reincarnated in an orange wolf. I want Ahsoka multiverse so can Disney can erase it up everything and write an entire new full of shit, again, and again, and again, full of wolf howls, sombreros and fake texan accents and bald bounty hunters. They have all the money in the world for this. Why cure cancer when we can get more Ahsoka and more wolves?
This. If you're gonna make shit, it might as well be so shitty that it goes around back to being legitimately entertaining.
I genuinely like Rogue One as well but I do admit that I am extremely partial to the galactic civil war period. I don't like old republic stuff and don't like the clone wars as realized on screen. I'm not a Jedi fan, I was always interested in the pilots and soldiers over light sabers.

But whatever, I guess I'm just a battered wife.
I've noticed people who like Rogue One like Andor because it's basically the same thing. I thought RO sucked despite having excellent visuals, so I don't care about the further adventures of Not-Kyle. The one the RO had going for it was looking pretty. The characters can get fucked.
Maybe if DisCanon, Diego Luna and those hideous disney aliens and U-Wings never existed
Damn maybe it's my shit taste but I actually really like the U-Wing, even if I admit it is kind of a lazy kitbash.
I will say it again, Andor is not a pile of shit. Far from it actually. I think it would be even better received by those on "our side" if it had come out before the ST. So far there has not been one single Filoni creation on screen (that I know of as I dont follow the clone wars stuff like many of you do, is Saw a Filoni creation?). There has been no Jedi or force users where there should not be. I even contend that with a few exceptions the "diversity" in the cast that has been shown has mostly made sense and is believable. Most of the characters look and act like someone who actually lives in the SW galaxy. The characters are willing to shoot and kill not "save what they love" or whatever that asinine lie was.

One thing I thought was interesting on this week's episode 11 was the inclusion of the new imperial ship that was based on Colin Cantwells early designs (they even called it "Cantwell Class"). It worked because they took the overall concept but fleshed it out using the familiar materials and details of Imperial ships. Why this is worth mentioning is that one thing that has always bothered me with disney SW, and Filoni is famous for this, is the obsession with the initial Ralph McQuarie concept art, that when translated to the screen looks out of place compared to the familiar SW designs. Yes Ralph was an incredible artist and designer but his initial designs were modified for the screen (chiefly by Joe Johnston) to give us what we recognize as SW today. Simply inserting these early designs as drawn makes no sense and looks silly. What they did with this ship on Andor was take a concept design and fully develop it to fit within the OT world. They did a good job.

I must say the emotional issues with the droid after the death of the mother was very interesting to say the least.
I might have given Andor a chance if it came out right after Mando S1. After the clown show around Gina Carano getting fired, Dave Filoni existing, Lucasfilm telling the fans how much they hate them (and the fans not giving a shit as per usual), Rosario Dawson being called a transphobe for some retarded reason, everything else LFL has shat out after Mando S1, and LFL telling me to go fuck myself again for the thousandth time, I'm not gonna bother.
The Force Awakens didn't start on a low bar
Depending on the type of fan you are if you could ignore the awful opening crawl giving the OT the middle finger, the movie starts to show cracks around the time Finn starts murdering his own teammates and yelling like a coon while doing so.
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It wasn't completely irredeemable until Han Solo showed up though.
and was widely well received despite being dog shit
Which in my opinion is where Disney Wars went wrong. Nostalgia pandering, empty mystery boxes, and dicksucking Disney became a-ok. If people treated TFA like they did TPM and gave it shit immediately after release things might have turned out a little different.
 
Pirates only really work when they're way TF away out from civilization like Alderaan. And/or privateers under the employ of a national galactic power to pirate another galactic power.
 
@Sneed F91 "Depending on the type of fan you are if you could ignore the awful opening crawl giving the OT the middle finger, the movie starts to show cracks around the time Finn starts murdering his own teammates and yelling like a coon while doing so."

I remember watching the trailer for the movie when it first came out. I'd gotten together with a friend of mine, very stereotypically leftist internet commie, and the first thing she said when Finn popped up into the frame was "oh, he's going to be comedy black guy". Even people with brain worms could see the writing on the wall. Unfortunately, battered fans have something worse than brain worms, so the movie did well.
 
Two hours of kiwi shitposting has produced a more believable and coherent story concept than 3 years of High Republic brainstorming. SMH
the biggest tragedy of Mouse Wars is that at any single point basically any random pile of online mongs that actually like Star Wars could come up with a better and more profitable set of ideas in less than a day for any basic concept they tried
 
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