Debate User @Vingle on why the Chads don't want to push his shit in - lol gaycel

You and I have had our head-butting in the past (although it was fairly mild), I'm a homophobe, and you don't sound like a very nice person. But, maybe it's my womanly nature or me getting older, I feel compelled to try to offer you some advice.

I'm going to assume you have the twink body of every 14 year old Tumblr user's dreams, as you claim, because I have no evidence to the contrary nor do I want any. You've said you're trying to gain muscle since you think you're too skinny, but faggots will bang just about anything with a heartbeat. So we're working from the baseline of your looks not being an obstacle. Let's examine what you're looking for, first.

I expect them to be somewhat fit and attractive (Not even expecting a model), be white, racist, twansphobic, not indulge in the faggot cult and be nice towards me.

This is too much. This is even a high bar for a straight man to meet. Looking for a white transphobe who doesn't participate in alphabet community antics is probably ok. Looking for a white, fit transphobe is probably ok (although "fit" is a little relative). Gays (men and women) are heavily targeted by MSM brainwashing. They see themselves as an oppressed group, a minority, and see a bit of themselves in the racial minorities. It will be like looking for a purple squirrel to look for a fit, white, transphobic racist. You want someone who's nice but you yourself are not very nice so seems hypocritical.

You'd be better served looking for someone who's not a slob, white, and just doesn't care about the identity politics around race/sexuality.

I talk with them, slip in how I hate niggers and if they aren't gone by then. I guess it's okey.
I'd consider myself fairly racist but if I had recently met someone and they mentioned nigger hate within our first couple convos they'd be eating my dust. I don't feel like I should have to explain this but you seem to be a little socially inept so I will. There are aspects of your personality and beliefs that you show at certain times and places. There are parts of your personality and beliefs you should never show in the workplace, for example, or at Thanksgiving dinner with your family. When you're getting to know a person, there are aspects of yourself that you show much later on, when you two are very comfortable with each other. Racism is one of them. The fact that you are even hinting at your racist beliefs early on shows me that racism is either a big part of your identity (a large problem in itself) or you don't understand how to conduct yourself in social situations (also a problem but less dire).

My advice to you is this. Bulk up if you feel the need, whatever. Doesn't hurt to be more fit. Lower your standards a little bit, look for someone who checks some of those boxes instead of all of them. Especially if you are looking for hookups; you have no right being that picky if you're just looking for tail and not a long term partner. And stop telling people you just met how much you hate blacks.
 
you don't sound like a very nice person.
I never said I am, and those who claim to be that are the biggest assholes.
Looking for a white transphobe who doesn't participate in alphabet community antics is probably ok.
A problem: Right-leaning gays tends to be big retards themselves and not something I want to have anything to do with + they tend to look like inbred thumbs.
Looking for a white, fit transphobe is probably ok (although "fit" is a little relative).
A good face is more important, since I can whip him up in shape. Changing the face is harder.
You want someone who's nice but you yourself are not very nice so seems hypocritical.
Towards me, I don't give a fuck if the guy is not nice to others. As long as he doesn't attract the police.
I'd consider myself fairly racist but if I had recently met someone and they mentioned nigger hate within our first couple convos they'd be eating my dust. I don't feel like I should have to explain this but you seem to be a little socially inept so I will. There are aspects of your personality and beliefs that you show at certain times and places. There are parts of your personality and beliefs you should never show in the workplace, for example, or at Thanksgiving dinner with your family. When you're getting to know a person, there are aspects of yourself that you show much later on, when you two are very comfortable with each other. Racism is one of them. The fact that you are even hinting at your racist beliefs early on shows me that racism is either a big part of your identity (a large problem in itself) or you don't understand how to conduct yourself in social situations (also a problem but less dire).
The thing is. Racism is not a big part of my identity, but laughing at and talking shit about many things. I can't have a future husband running away, when I release the mask. Because I do mask and pretend I'm all nice until it's safe to relax.
Anyway, it's not like I have even gotten further the hey-line in a long time. So I guess, saying hey is a big part of me.
My advice to you is this. Bulk up if you feel the need, whatever. Doesn't hurt to be more fit. Lower your standards a little bit, look for someone who checks some of those boxes instead of all of them.
If someone is accepting of my type of humour and personality, chances are that they are racist and twanphobic. So it's redundant of me to even mention that. Heck, old creeps GTFO when they realise I'm not the UwU passive twink they dream of.
Especially if you are looking for hookups
No fam, I'm tired of being ghosted after hookups. Either they have to pay me. Because looking good and maintaining it is not cheap.
 
I never said I am, and those who claim to be that are the biggest assholes.

A problem: Right-leaning gays tends to be big retards themselves and not something I want to have anything to do with + they tend to look like inbred thumbs.

A good face is more important, since I can whip him up in shape. Changing the face is harder.

Towards me, I don't give a fuck if the guy is not nice to others. As long as he doesn't attract the police.

The thing is. Racism is not a big part of my identity, but laughing at and talking shit about many things. I can't have a future husband running away, when I release the mask. Because I do mask and pretend I'm all nice until it's safe to relax.
Anyway, it's not like I have even gotten further the hey-line in a long time. So I guess, saying hey is a big part of me.

If someone is accepting of my type of humour and personality, chances are that they are racist and twanphobic. So it's redundant of me to even mention that. Heck, old creeps GTFO when they realise I'm not the UwU passive twink they dream of.

No fam, I'm tired of being ghosted after hookups. Either they have to pay me. Because looking good and maintaining it is not cheap.
Your problem is your personality is repulsive lol
 
You seem a bit set on your ways, but ok, I'll bite, I'll debate you

A problem: Right-leaning gays tends to be big retards themselves and not something I want to have anything to do with + they tend to look like inbred thumbs.

You find them cringe because they ARE. If you must screen your partner politics, choose your poison: Screeching liberal, cynical, money loving republican or screechy alt right adjacent.

Towards me, I don't give a fuck if the guy is not nice to others. As long as he doesn't attract the police.

If they're not nice to others it is a matter of time before they start not being nice to you.

The thing is. Racism is not a big part of my identity, but laughing at and talking shit about many things. I can't have a future husband running away, when I release the mask. Because I do mask and pretend I'm all nice until it's safe to relax.

I am curious about how you define 'racism' and 'transphobia'. is it that you oppose immigration? Is it that you like to laugh at dysfunctional troons? Is it that you hate all and every non white and would gladly genocide them? Do you want to be able to question the typical race-baiting news article with your partner or do you want to spend time seething about black people?

According to this:
Anyway, it's not like I have even gotten further the hey-line in a long time. So I guess, saying hey is a big part of me.

If someone is accepting of my type of humour and personality, chances are that they are racist and twanphobic. So it's redundant of me to even mention that. Heck, old creeps GTFO when they realise I'm not the UwU passive twink they dream of.

It just looks to me that you are scared of a relationship where you have to police your thoughts and speech to keep it going, and I wonder what those thoughts or speech is.

I've read a few threads in other forums where gay people asked what were their bigger turn-offs and "Racist" was quite up there along with "Republican", almost every answer had some variation of "Racist" and "Republican", which may seem gloomy to you but implies there are a lot of those over there.

However, when you suggest racism is a big component of what you want in a relationship is a bit odd and I wonder what do you mean by it, because I don't know if you are expecting to just be able to disapprove of BLM without major drama or you want to host KKK meetings while your husband sews white robes.

In any case, you seem to be uncompromising with your criteria:

- He has to look like a 90s porn star
- He has to be a top
- He has to be racist (?)
- He has to be transphobic (?)
- He has to be accepting of you and your quirks
- He has to be masculine
- He has to be removed from the wider LGBT culture / scene

And you're looking on grindr of all places

Individually you would find each of these characteristics but put together they compound into an unlikely person.

I find your requirements lack of emphasis in character traits (like agreeable, generous, sense of humour or other typical shit people think when they think about what they want to date) odd. You are focusing on stuff derived from what you'd hate as a partner fundamentally based on what turns you off physically and politically.

As a consequence, Mr Right doesn't sound like a real person.

And all of this is really moot if you happened to fall in love, because that's when you find yourself letting go of some things you thought would be a deal breaker.

Even if you hate most gay people and how entrenched they are into gay culture and you find that outright unappealing, your current approach doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me. You should re-evaluate your priorities. And perhaps touch a bit of grass.
 
Your problem is your personality is repulsive lol
They see so much of it when I just say hey.
You find them cringe because they ARE. If you must screen your partner politics, choose your poison: Screeching liberal, cynical, money loving republican or screechy alt right adjacent.
Give me someone that loves money then.
If they're not nice to others it is a matter of time before they start not being nice to you.
I dated a dude like that, so never again. He was rude to waitress for no reason, and mean to me.
Is it that you hate all and every non white and would gladly genocide them?
Blacks at least has no business being alive, because they're just a walking crime waiting to happen. The culture poison the minds of white people too.
Do you want to be able to question the typical race-baiting news article with your partner or do you want to spend time seething about black people?
Not that important to talk about niggers, as that's more like talking about trash. It's not interesting.
It just looks to me that you are scared of a relationship where you have to police your thoughts and speech to keep it going, and I wonder what those thoughts or speech is.
That's what I said, so it doesn't look like it. It is that.
I've read a few threads in other forums where gay people asked what were their bigger turn-offs and "Racist" was quite up there along with "Republican", almost every answer had some variation of "Racist" and "Republican", which may seem gloomy to you but implies there are a lot of those over there.
Did anyone of them look good? Of course I know a big part of the gay population is SJW's, but it doesn't mean I actually would find them attractive.
In any case, you seem to be uncompromising with your criteria:

- He has to look like a 90s porn star
When did I say that? They look rather ugly from what I remember. A jock isn't a 90s icon.
- He has to be a top
Vers
Bottoms are a nightmare to handle. And men aren't fully bottoms, something is just disgusting with that and kinda troon-ish.
- He has to be racist (?)
- He has to be transphobic (?)
- He has to be accepting of you and your quirks
These go all together, I cannot stop saying nigger and laugh about troons.
- He has to be masculine
Not expecting someone working with cars and looks like he doesn't care about how he looks. I need a pwetty man, that doesn't behave like a woman.
And you're looking on grindr of all places
About that, I lost my motivation of going out on the town. When I always got accused of being too drunk to stay in the bar. Have heard about this happening to others to, so it's not like it's special to me. They are just very nazi about substance use here + doormans being shit.
I find your requirements lack of emphasis in character traits (like agreeable, generous, sense of humour or other typical shit people think when they think about what they want to date) odd. You are focusing on stuff derived from what you'd hate as a partner fundamentally based on what turns you off physically and politically.
I mean, wouldn't it be even more unrealistic if I started demanding in detail how my future husbands personality is?
As a consequence, Mr Right doesn't sound like a real person.
I have sort of accepted that I will always be lonely.
And all of this is really moot if you happened to fall in love, because that's when you find yourself letting go of some things you thought would be a deal breaker.
Aren't happening, emotions are like a dead fish. It happened in the past, but I'm still lonely.
Even if you hate most gay people and how entrenched they are into gay culture and you find that outright unappealing, your current approach doesn't sound like a recipe for success to me.
It's fine, as long as I look better than the fags in the gay community. It's not like they are doing any better, as it is mostly the same fucking trash I see on grindr. Most of the time.
You should re-evaluate your priorities. And perhaps touch a bit of grass.
Ye, I'm happy with looking nice just to spite people. If I can't be happy, at least I can make others unhappy with just existing.
I walk all the time to and from the gym, so that's my "touching grass".
 
Ok then, fine. You meet a cute, masculine-yet-boyish guy straight from one of your animes. On the first date, on the first conversation, he tells you he violently hates black people, trans people, and LGBT culture -before you even get a chance to say it yourself. He then explains that he has extremely detailed and specific plans to commit hate crimes. However, despite being a violent psychopath, he is extremely nice to you all the time and laughs at all your jokes. After the first date he shows you his collection of guns and chemical agents.

I bet you'd still fucking chicken out. You'd get cold feet if you actually did have a chance to get involved with your Ideal Man.
 
I cannot reply to @Vingle 's last post and I'm not manually addressing each thing, I'm too lazy.

But I'm still curious. Your personality is your personality, you do you and hopefully you get what you want. There's no need or interest for me to go on there since I don't know you.

But your observations on the gay dating scene are interesting. Common knowledge goes that gay sex is incredibly easy to have. However, I keep reading the usual sex policing journo pieces written by state sanctioned gaycels and it would appear (In accordance to my conclusions out of reading journos sex blogging) that:

- Jocks only date jocks
- Whites only date whites
- POC only want white partners
- Non jocks only want jocks

So POC and non jocks logically won't have any. But according to you, you're a white jock, shouldn't you be uber privileged and your phone full of thirsty texts?

Also, what's with the domination thing? I keep hearing this "daddy" thing and it creeps the fuck out of me. Has the kink scene completely taken over?

Ok then, fine. You meet a cute, masculine-yet-boyish guy straight from one of your animes. On the first date, on the first conversation, he tells you he violently hates black people, trans people, and LGBT culture -before you even get a chance to say it yourself. He then explains that he has extremely detailed and specific plans to commit hate crimes. However, despite being a violent psychopath, he is extremely nice to you all the time and laughs at all your jokes. After the first date he shows you his collection of guns and chemical agents.

If this guy exists, he needs a thread here.
 
Also, what's with the domination thing? I keep hearing this "daddy" thing and it creeps the fuck out of me. Has the kink scene completely taken over?
I don't know if it has completely taken over, but it is definitely a common kink from what I seen. Like I told @JamusActimus, there are alot of horny men in that scene.
 
I don't know if it has completely taken over, but it is definitely a common kink from what I seen. Like I told @JamusActimus, there are alot of horny men in that scene.

I have grown really distrustful of anyone who is into BDSM.

I mentioned this in Liz Fong Jones thread and got me heaps of islamic content, so I won't go in detail.

Sane, safe and consensual seems to me more like a myth. I've met lots of fucked up people and they're all for some god damned reason into some sort of flavor of BDSM and they all love to let you know, as is part of the kink more often than not.

I imagine the kink scene must be splattered shit.
 
I bet you'd still fucking chicken out. You'd get cold feet if you actually did have a chance to get involved with your Ideal Man.
I won't do anyone that does criminality though, as that's something niggers do.
But your observations on the gay dating scene are interesting. Common knowledge goes that gay sex is incredibly easy to have.
If you don't have standards yes. Do you really think it's something other than fucking trolls, standing behind gloryholes and going into gay sex saunas where they can't see each other? I mean, in other countries, there might be someone decent going to saunas. But in my country? No way. And I do keep tabs on what goes on in the community, as I'm a farmer.
according to you, you're a white jock, shouldn't you be uber privileged and your phone full of thirsty texts?
Never claimed that, I said I'm a twink and I'm in the progress of bulking up. I'm 183 cm/6 feet and 78 kg/171 lbs, and it keeps increasing
Wonder how much I have to go up though, because I'm more of a normal body build now instead of skinny. And no, I'm not fat. I practically almost live in the gym.
Thing is. It's way harder to get big when you’re tall,
Also, what's with the domination thing? I keep hearing this "daddy" thing and it creeps the fuck out of me. Has the kink scene completely taken over?
I see you still has some innocence left, so I'm going to destroy it.
I do see a lot of wetsex in fag profiles, them wearinyg leather harnesses in their profile pics, some diapers and puppy masks.
I have grown really distrustful of anyone who is into BDSM.
Good, you should be.
 
I won't do anyone that does criminality though, as that's something niggers do.

If you don't have standards yes. Do you really think it's something other than fucking trolls, standing behind gloryholes and going into gay sex saunas where they can't see each other? I mean, in other countries, there might be someone decent going to saunas. But in my country? No way. And I do keep tabs on what goes on in the community, as I'm a farmer.

Never claimed that, I said I'm a twink and I'm in the progress of bulking up. I'm 183 cm/6 feet and 78 kg/171 lbs, and it keeps increasing
Wonder how much I have to go up though, because I'm more of a normal body build now instead of skinny. And no, I'm not fat. I practically almost live in the gym.
Thing is. It's way harder to get big when you’re tall,

I see you still has some innocence left, so I'm going to destroy it.
I do see a lot of wetsex in fag profiles, them wearinyg leather harnesses in their profile pics, some diapers and puppy masks.

Good, you should be.

Geez, you're tall. Yeah, it is difficult to bodybuild when you're tall but you have much more natty capacity.

About the kink, yeah, I've been exposed to more than I wish I would. Sometimes not entirely willingly. I don't know what wetsex is but it sounds positively disgusting.

I always have the feeling that this shit is not fun. Like, you have a partner and you do some creative stuff sometimes this is cool, I think this can be ok and healthy. But these people don't look like they're having fun. They look like they're held hostage by the kink. Fetishism is about the fetish, not the partner.

They always give away how miserable they feel in some way. And it is an unspoken truth that a couple "opening up" to kink to "spice up things" is more often than not accelerating the relationship's death.

The sex articles MSN insists on recommending me are not good at promoting this to the critically minded.
 
Geez, you're tall. Yeah, it is difficult to bodybuild when you're tall but you have much more natty capacity.
Sure, being strong is nice. Doesn't help when fags only care about the looks. But it feels like I unlocked something, when I actually got serious about bulking. As I obviously didn't become bigger when I'm a natural small eater. And the teasing of me in the beginning of this thread certainly helped me :story:
I don't know what wetsex is but it sounds positively disgusting.
Playing with urine, it's nasty shit. Surprisingly common.
I always have the feeling that this shit is not fun. Like, you have a partner and you do some creative stuff sometimes this is cool, I think this can be ok and healthy. But these people don't look like they're having fun. They look like they're held hostage by the kink. Fetishism is about the fetish, not the partner.
I did hookups with couples in open relationships in the past, and it always left me feeling guilty. Because one or the another looks like he's being a hostage, in fear of losing the relationship if he says no.
 
@Vingle
Ye, I'm happy with looking nice just to spite people. If I can't be happy, at least I can make others unhappy with just existing.
I walk all the time to and from the gym, so that's my "touching grass".
With an attitude like that, it's no wonder that gay guys don't want you.

I hate to break it to you, but no guy is going to lose sleep over not being able to plow you. With a hookup scene where everyone is looking for some action, they can always find someone else.

Honestly, I don't know what to tell you. You're being needlessly difficult about what want out of a guy.

Going off of what you're looking for:
You want nothing to do with black or Trans people? Look for a regular white guy.

Want someone who is muscular and masculine? That shouldn't be too hard to look for with a white guy.

You don't want a guy that's involved with the wider LGBT culture? A chill, muscular white guy is still within the realms of possibility.

But it's after this point that you start to become unrealistic in your wants.

You want them to be not only racist, but transphobic (which I'd feel would be a given if this hypothetical guy is already racist)?

I don't think I have to tell you this, but you will be hard pressed to find a guy who is racist and transphobic without also being homophobic (unless they're closet gay then, in that case, GOOD LUCK sniffing one of those out).
 
I hate to break it to you, but no guy is going to lose sleep over not being able to plow you. With a hookup scene where everyone is looking for some action, they can always find someone else.
Don't know why I should feel sad about this, when those aren't as high quality as me. It just proves they have bad standards and should be avoided. Since fags are usually full of diseases, like the pests they are.
You want them to be not only racist, but transphobic (which I'd feel would be a given if this hypothetical guy is already racist)?
It would be a given to be both to even accept my personality.
I don't think I have to tell you this, but you will be hard pressed to find a guy who is racist and transphobic without also being homophobic (unless they're closet gay then, in that case, GOOD LUCK sniffing one of those out).
I actually had the chance with one in the past, but I fucked it up because I was manipulated by a fag. This was when I was way younger on not that sure of myself.
 
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Oh? What happened?
I need to elaborate on this, for you to understand context.
The guy I almost got involved with, was/is involved with gang criminality and is living in the bad side of town. He's Russian, so white as a sheet.
It boils into. I chatted with both him and the fag. He told me the fag talked shit about me to him > fag guilted me into telling the fag that I was told this > he doesn't want to have anything with me anymore.

We mostly chatted, but the conversations went smoohtly as we felt comfortable with each other.
He is one of the most beautiful men I've ever laid my eyes on, but I've never been so compatible with anyone.
Then the fag had to come and ruin everything, and I'm not sure if I'm ever going to get over it.
I feel like I've could've helped him, if things didn't go to hell.

This is later, but he took pity on me and started to chat with me again. Because I always would message him, when I found him.
Anyway, I did something to betray his trust again. As I don't need pity, and I'm tired of enduring him lashing out and assuming things about me.
It's been years since, but I feel like I've outgrown him mentally. Even through I'm more sad and bitter.
 
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