Erin Reed / Anthony Reed II / @ErinInTheMorn / @ErinInTheMorning / @ErinInTheNight / _supernovasky_ / beholderseye / realitybias / AnonymousRabbit - post-op transbian Twitter/TikTok "activist" with bad fashion, giant Reddit tattoo. Former drug dealer with felony. Married to Zooey Simone Zephyr / Zachary Todd Raasch.

[Geranium]

Wtf it's a whole week now? Between this and pride month, eventually every trans day will expand to cover 365 days of the year every year. Trans Visibility Eternity.

By @moleatthedoor on Twitter. (Edit: To be clear, this is a parody.)

 

[Tard Whisperer]

you can tell someone is a Serious Legislation Researcher when they follow-police reporters and block everyone who has ever disagreed with them on the topic they “research”.

Lol at the fact this creep got Brianna Joy Grey to take him seriously, how embarrassing for her.

 

[Criticallacitirc]

Tony is so full of shit in that interview. “These decisions should be up to the parents and families,” unless they decide not to affirm the kid, then it’s all “escape your transphobic parents and come find your new glitter family!”

I’m surprised he even appeared on that show- Brihana & Robby are frequently Twitter’s “main character of the day” for the worst kinds of progressives. I guess his narcissistic core just craves that sweet, sweet attention and fame too much. “Queer Legislative Researcher,” fucking lol, he just googles shit and rage tweets. Also his profile is hilariously male.

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Tony's moobs looking really funny here. Guessing he has tube tits + a padded bra as they're very round on the bottom but seem to collapse on the upper part.

 

[Geranium]

Guessing he has tube tits

For some reason I find Tony’s moobs one of the funniest things about him.

Fantasy (two years ago):

Anyway, some Tony moob lols I stumbled across when writing this post

Reality (this summer):

He went to what looks like a public pool today to show off his lack of bulge.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

But Erin cannot conceive that other people might have been presented with both sides and then decided against his side. Erin does not possess the theory of mind to grasp this. In Erin's view, only he and a few select elites have the cognitive capacity to rationally choose a side on an issue.

The general public, in contrast, must simply be presented with n pro-trans articles and 0 "anti-trans" articles by the media, and then the crude ratchet in their brains will click over to the correct opinion, and that's that.

So any anti-trans sentiment, or any public pushback, is simply evidence that the rubes have been presented with >0 "anti-trans" news pieces, and this can be fixed by sufficient production of pro-trans news pieces by people who have real brains.

That won't fix it. That's why we need suppression of any anti-trans news pieces. How many trans childrens lives are you willing to sacrifice just to keep a few rich genocidal monsters profiting from hate out of prison?

 

[Geranium]

So when Tony announced he'd left his job at Chong + Koster he said: “Believe it or not, I've been reporting to all of you about whats going on around the country while holding down a 9-6 job and being a single mom!”

(twitter.com, archive.ph)

Now, Tony has only been at Chong + Koster since May 2021, and was at The American Independent (nee ShareBlue) before that (since 2016). So when he says 9-6 that's definitely Chong + Koster, but presumably he worked similar hours at his previous job.

For most of his existence as "Erin", Tony's main presence has been on Twitter. So I thought, did Tony's working hours affect his tweeting at all? Here's a plot of the time of Tony's tweets (from @ErinInTheMorn), coloured by whether it was in his 9-6 working hours:

So it seems the answer is: no, his working hours made no difference to the amount he tweeted.

(It's been a long time since I used R so that's why Friday is at the top. By the way, Tony, you haven't updated your LinkedIn to show that you've left Chong + Koster. (linkedin.com, ghostarchive.org))

 

[Accept Only Substitutes]

So when Tony announced he'd left his job at Chong + Koster he said: “Believe it or not, I've been reporting to all of you about whats going on around the country while holding down a 9-6 job and being a single mom!”
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(twitter.com, archive.ph)

Now, Tony has only been at Chong + Koster since May 2021, and was at The American Independent (nee ShareBlue) before that (since 2016). So when he says 9-6 that's definitely Chong + Koster, but presumably he worked similar hours at his previous job.

For most of his existence as "Erin", Tony's main presence has been on Twitter. So I thought, did Tony's working hours affect his tweeting at all? Here's a plot of the time of Tony's tweets (from @ErinInTheMorn), coloured by whether it was in his 9-6 working hours:
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So it seems the answer is: no, his working hours made no difference to the amount he tweeted.

(It's been a long time since I used R so that's why Friday is at the top. By the way, Tony, you haven't updated your LinkedIn to show that you've left Chong + Koster. (linkedin.com, ghostarchive.org))

Interesting to see he sleeps from 2-7am every day. That's not a lot of sleep. Hopefully his kiddo doesn't have a similar schedule.

 

[DrNow]

I assume cis kid inconvenience is realising that cutting your genitals off wasn’t as ‘affirming’ as tiktok said it would be?

 

[Geranium]

Happy Transgender Day of Remembrance! I've got in my 0 minutes of silence for the 0 people murdered this year because of their trans status in the UK, so now let's review Tony's diary for the 2022 Trans Visibility Week:

Midday, Monday November 14

As Tony was posting his thread about the NYT puberty blockers story, he started to lay into journalists. He got some pushback on this and deleted the thread, though not before it was archived. Here's the text of his tweets:

Can we just please get past the idea that there is such a thing as "unbiased reporting," that the idea that reporters are "noble and just" is a dead one, and that the "both sides" nature of reporting in America fundamentally contributes to the collapse of minority rights?

I'm sorry to my reporter friends, but I am really tired of how those in the profession elevate it as some sort of "noble calling" with idealistic purity and integrity.

NYT, BBC, The Atlantic - they'll all throw minorities under the bus under the guise of "just asking questions."

The very IDEA that the standards of reporting are unbiased and ethical leads to the ability to use reporting as a tool to directly erode rights. It is the organizations who seek to attack, for instance, trans people who see this clearly and use it to their advantage.

Reporter friends: stop getting mad at this tweet and instead get mad at the terrible institutions that regulate what gets published and who has a say in debates over minority rights.

I am not your enemy. Fix the institution to make it not complicit in minority eliminationism.

This is a funny one because I sort of agree with Tony, in a limited way. Tony is only saying this, and saying this now, because outlets that previously were swept along by the trans tide have started waking up to some of the concerns about transgenderism. First men in women's sport (Laurel Hubbard, Lia Thomas), now experiments on children (no one gives a shit about female prisoners, it seems).

But yes, the notion of neutral, unbiased journalism is a fairy tale. There's a classic BBC interview by Andrew Marr of Noam Chomsky, where Marr protests that he's not self-censoring, and Chomsky replies that he's sure that Marr believes everything he's saying, "but if you believed something different, you wouldn't be sitting where you're sitting." That was in 1996, and 7 years later amid all the opposition to the invasion of Iraq, Marr stood outside 10 Downing Street saying that Tony Blair had been "proved right" purely because the US-UK invasion faced little initial resistance from the Iraqi armed forces.

Politisperging over, Tony was only crying about journalists because they won't repeat the things he wants, not because he has a serious critique of the media. He is so wrapped up in his own ideology that he thinks bloodless articles about the safety of puberty blockers are "erod[ing] rights" and makes the New York Times "complicit in minority eliminationism".

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10pm, Monday November 14

Moving on, guns for me (a felon who hates women) but not for thee (women):


(twitter.com, archive.ph; twitter.com, archive.ph)

And Tony's boyfriend:

(twitter.com, archive.ph)

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11pm, Monday November 14

Tony stands up for poor little ex-special forces soldier and trans-identified male Alana McLaughlin, who now makes a living by beating up women for entertainment. "But the women consented!" cries Tony. (twitter.com, archive.ph)

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2am, Tuesday November 15

Tony thinks he's found a gotcha for those who doubt the trans genocide:

(twitter.com, archive.ph)

I haven't delved too deeply into the concept of genocide of political groups, but I would imagine this would refer to things such as the killing in the mid-1960s of 500,000+ Indonesians suspected of being communist sympathisers. Not "sir, you need to use the men's bathroom".

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10am, Tuesday November 15

Texas is going to start rounding up trans kids! (twitter.com, archive.ph)

Except, once again, that's not what Texas House Bill 672 of the 2023-2024 session would do. Instead it amends the child abuse statute to include medical transition, and this would apply to parents and guardians who allow this to happen. For there to be a "mass rounding up" of trans kids there would have to be widespread flouting of the law by their parents after it is passed, instead of them allowing the kids to make their own decisions at 18 or (as Tony is fond of pointing out) moving to another state. (legiscan.com, archive.ph)

"They intend to fully eliminate trans kids in the state of these laws pass." If a child is transgender in Texas and no-one is there to sterilise them, are they really transgender?

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11am, Tuesday November 15

Tony goes international! (observers.france24.com, archive.ph) His quotes, about school board policies, are very boring. But I find it shocking that he gave an interview to French state outlet France 24, though, when France's National Academy of Medicine says such transphobic things as (my emphasis):

Although, in France, the use of hormone blockers or hormones of the opposite sex is possible with parental authorization at any age, the greatest reserve is required in their use, given the side effects such as impact on growth, bone fragility, risk of sterility, emotional and intellectual consequences and, for girls, symptoms reminiscent of menopause.

They even provided an official English translation (unheard of) because they hate the trans so much. (academie-medecine.fr, archive.ph)

Cancel France Tony!

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1pm, Tuesday November 15

Tony announces he's changing jobs! It will be a radical change from tweeting all the time on his personal account to tweeting all the time on his personal account. Get ready for 100% the same amount of tweets!

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6pm, Tuesday November 15

Tony helped save a child's life? How? It's unclear! Apparently a family he "helped flee"(?) Texas now say that if Hero Tony had not done whatever it was he did(??) the child would have died(???) because Texas announced some draft legislation targeting those who insist on inflicting medical experiments on their children(????). (twitter.com, archive.ph)

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2pm, Wednesday November 16

Tony is outraged that Illinois may "ban trans people from sports" by making them play with those of their own sex. Oh no! (twitter.com, archive.ph)

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10am, Thursday November 17

Tony appears on The Hill show Rising. (twitter.com, archive.ph)

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7am, Friday November 18

Tony laments that if Twitter goes under, "it's going to suck losing so many queer activist communities." Don't worry, Tone, we'll still be here for you! (twitter.com, archive.ph)

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10am, Friday November 18

Tony reee's about the Reuters story covering the massive increase in adolescent girls seeking treatment for gender dysphoria. He claims that this fact (and it is one!) is fake news because Jack Turban said so. I'm going to look at Tony's response to the Reuters story in detail but I wanted to note this point because it's utterly crackers. (twitter.com, archive.ph)

 

[Kernel Sanders]

On Thursday, Leor Sapir posted a long thread about Tony's ridiculous reeeeing, explaining why Tony is such an idiot to rely on information from Jack Turban, another idiot and also a liar, for information.

Sapir tweets at the end, "I also thank Erin Reed for providing another opportunity to remind people of what ideological capture looks like."

Thread by @LeorSapir on Thread Reader App – Thread Reader App

archived 20 Nov 2022 21:47:15 UTC

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Leor Sapir on Twitter: "I applaud the journalists and editors at the …

archived 20 Nov 2022 21:36:28 UTC

archive.ph

 

[InteracialBowelSyndrome]

Tony Slobbins is too fucking stupid to realize if there was a real "trans genocide" going around, HE WOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

Remember all those Jews in Nazi Germany occupying community halls, taking out editorials and speaking in public about how they were being genocided? Me neither, because they were litterally hiding in fucking attics, fleeing the country, or already in a camp.

The fact that this sexual predator is given a platform, and has every current year talking head and globohomo corporation on his side is absolute proof he's wrong.

Being called out as a pervert and a degenerate=genocide.

Stay away from your wife's and kid's underwear, you tranny Hocus Pocus witch wannabe.

 

[AirdropShitposts]

"If this isn't a good enough reason to seriously consider taking steps to ensure your safety such as arming yourself ... Have a plan to leave the country ... engage in community self defense"

No, some nutty woman at a protest somewhere else you saw online is not a "good reason" to arm yourself with the desire of using the weapon against people you want to kill.

I think we should all adopt Tony's reading of the UN's criteria, I myself am outraged at the lack of media coverage for the ongoing GAMER GENOCIDE!

On Thursday, Leor Sapir posted a long thread about Tony's ridiculous reeeeing, explaining why Tony is such an idiot to rely on information from Jack Turban, another idiot and also a liar, for information.

Sapir tweets at the end, "I also thank Erin Reed for providing another opportunity to remind people of what ideological capture looks like."

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Leor Sapir on Twitter: "I applaud the journalists and editors at the …

archived 20 Nov 2022 21:36:28 UTC

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"Turban either didn't bother to read his sources or lied."

This [citing sources that actually say something different] happens so often the actual either is that Jack Turban can't read at all or is a constant liar: https://medium.com/@JLCederblom/the-lukewarm-perjury-of-jack-turban-a85903109051

 

[behindyourightnow]

@Geranium Erin was featured in the "Observers" section of France24, which seems to rely heavily on user contributions. I wouldn't be surprised if he contacted them himself to give comment.



It seems like a very niche project as well, since the Observer tweet got fewer than a dozen retweets.

French media does unfortunately import a lot of fawning media coverage from the US on transgender issues, but this is not a case of Erin being interviewed on national TV or anything.

 

[Raven Rainbow]

> Become an Observer

The panopticon will be crowdsourced

 

[gobbles]

Fantasy (two years ago):

This shit makes me MATI: they’re such fetishists. I have never heard of a woman doing this—the only “bounce” stories I’ve heard of are usually about cardio and bra shopping recommendations.

They’re pigs, and my only satisfaction is that they have to live the rest of their lives with their awful decisions. I just wish the rest of us didn’t have to suffer their presence too.

 

[luigismanslave]

funny how tony always skips the D) section of the genocide criteria, given how he advocates sterilizing children and all

 

[Trianon]

I think by his logic transferring children from their parents to their new glitter family secret LGBTQ catboy ranch Discord server is a form of genocide.

 

[Geranium]

Tony continues on his quest to be a Super Serious Queer Legislative Researcher and was on The Hill, discusses detransitioners, medicating children:

Finally watched Tony's interview on The Hill's Rising. Full transcript with speaker annotations attached.

Unsurprisingly both of the hosts are more sensible than Tony. Poor Robby Soave is there saying, paraphasing, that "the concern is that gender-non-conforming kids are being swept up, and affirmed as transgender when they were just gender-non-conforming" and Tony just comes back and says (paraphrasing, again) "That's why we need many different ways of being trans, let people decide whenever they like what's on their ID card, which toilets to use or which sports team to play on".

Tony's main point is that, when it comes to transgender identifying children, the decisions about care should be left in the hands of parents and the government shouldn't meddle. Briahna Joy Gray says (verbatim): "There seems to be something, obviously, libertarian about your position to say let it stay within parents and families," and Tony nods vigorously.

Funnily enough Robby Soave brings up the New York Times article and the medical concerns it raises. Tony, perhaps aware that he can't repeat his Twitter meltdown live on air, says:

So gender affirming care, especially among transgender youth, is a very complex issue. And given the medical consensus right now in America, uh, among all of the major medical organizations in the efficacy of their treatment, but also given concerns that other organizations might have and other activists might have, the decision, in my opinion and in the um, opinion of many legislatures around the United States is, this is a complex decision that should be left between families and their doctors. It is whenever you try to legislate what a family can do with their doctors and with their care teams, that you start running into issues.

He doesn't even try to argue it, just defers to authority and says "anyway families should be able to do what they like to their kids".

And later:

But again, I really do think that in these cases where there are complex issues and where there is a variety of medical guidance, that you have to, you have to allow families to make that decision. And there might be, there might be decisions that are wrongly made, but that's the case I think, in all kinds of care that you would get for kids.

I think that ultimately, we have to trust the families, like we have to. We, we trust the families in so many other areas of life.

I think in an arena where Tony's can't fall back on his outraged denunciations, this is pretty much all he's got when it comes to pediatric transition: let the families decide. But this is baffling to me: this is a new, extremely contentious area of medical practice, and Tony thinks our stance should be "Let the parents fuck around and find out." Crazy.

He repeats his shtick about how detransitioners "deserve love and support and acceptance, and they deserve all of the resources that we can give them" and claims again that "ackshually" most detransition due to not being accepted or supported.

But Tony then attacks "political detransitioners" who have the temerity to criticise the treatment they received. Neither of the hosts push back on this. Gray even says "living life does not insulate you from having regrets about all kinds of decisions that we make". But as Soave raises earlier, we are talking about "young people who can't consent to all sorts of things", precisely because they're kids -- they're not making these decisions alone and so it's unethical to say they alone should bear the consequences.

Perhaps most egregious is that Tony misrepresents the bar that children need to clear to receive "gender affirming care". Quoting Soave and Tony separately below to highlight Tony's response, Soave's question is sensible and included in full for context. (When Soave says "gender fluidity" he clearly means non-conformity, not gender fluidity as "some days I'm a man and some days I'm a woman" as is typical.)

[00:10:16] Robby Soave: Yeah, I, look, I don't have any appetite whatsoever to really get the government involved in this question or really, really any question. Uh, but I, I think that, you know, just to represent what people who are concerned about this will say, I, I think they have an image in their head. Uh, you have a, you have a, a kid, a, a young teen or a preteen, um, maybe a boy, but is interested in dresses, is interested in dolls.

If they end up talking to a, a counselor with a more, uh, progressive or activist worldview, they might very quickly be put down a pathway toward puberty blockers and transitioning when odds are that kid might just be gay, they might just be a feminine boy, et cetera. That's a concern I hear. Um, you know, in your experience, from your knowledge of the community, is it, is it as easy as that or, or is there pushback and interrogation of what you know, "what do you actually want? are you just uncomfortable your body because it's hard to go through puberty and it's hard to be a teenager", you know, those kinds of questions. There's a fear that it's, it's, it's. The pathway is, is too easy and then you'll end up getting more false positives given this greater gender fluidity

[00:11:21] Tony Reed: Of course, and so I speak to many families of transgender youth. I've helped several families of transgender youth, and I can say that of my personal experience, and this is what I can speak to, my personal experience, all of them that I've spoken to have had years of psychological care, years of care teams, have met with multiple doctors.

All of the trans-identifying children Tony has spoken to "have had years of psychological care"!? I seriously doubt that. Tony has previously claimed to "advocate for therapy for trans youth" but has also branded any therapy that does not immediate accept the child is transgender as "sick conversion therapy".

(twitter.com, archive.ph; twitter.com, archive.ph)

Edit: including the transcript inline as my sperging above was too long to let people reply anyway:

2022-11-16 - Tony - The Hill - Rising
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[00:00:00] Briahna Joy Gray: Texas has filed a bill that would make consenting to gender affirming care, child abuse with prison sentences for parents. According to queer legislative researcher, Erin Reed, the bill will mean a rounding up of trans kids if passed. She tweeted that in Virginia a bill has been released, which would ban transgender people from sports that match their gender identity if passed.

It requires the physical examination to include biological sex. Meanwhile, in Ohio, a motion to force a vote to tell all schools in Ohio that Title IX rights should be denied to trans students has been denied, nine to ten.

[00:00:35] Robby Soave: Erin Reid joins us now to discuss this and to expand on the legislation being introduced across the country.

Welcome Erin.

[00:00:41] Tony Reed: Thank you.

[00:00:42] Robby Soave: So what are your views on these efforts to, uh, prohibit this kind of care and such things?

[00:00:48] Tony Reed: Yeah, so I think that we're seeing a national movement by those in the right to essentially ban gender affirming care, um, force affirming teachers to misgender and use incorrect names for transgender students as well as ban transgender people from participation in many areas of public life.

And so I am opposed to these, to these particular issues. Um, but nonetheless, we are seeing these kinds of bills proliferate around the country. .

[00:01:15] Briahna Joy Gray: So to what do you attribute that? I mean, on one hand it does seem like Republicans are very much exploiting, um, a cultural shift as it were. I think progressives, liberals have largely been winning a lot of victories with respect to LGBTQIA rights for the last 10, 15, 20 years or so. Um, and what might be described as kind of the post will and Grace era, and it has felt like we're winning, winning, winning. Until you get to this certain point that perhaps there are these moments where culture moves a little bit faster. Like, uh, maybe popular culture moves a little bit faster than traditional parts of the country and Republicans are exploiting this tipping point.

Is there any conversation happening about whether or not. Moments to, to, to revise and, and reevaluate. So the focus has to come on, uh, kids under 18 and what might be probably outlier cases of people potentially getting treatment that wasn't well indicated. Having regrets, detransitioners are a big part of the conversation.

What do people say or what is the in group, in, in community conversation like about whether or not there is any opportunity there for recalibrating or is it all considered to be in bad faith?

[00:02:22] Tony Reed: So in the post 2016 era, whenever the North Carolina bathroom ban was passed and then later undefeated, um, we have seen a reaction against transgender acceptance in the United States, and I do think that this is because there has been more visibility of transgender people.

Um, people do feel more free to be themselves, to come out, and therefore you see people being transgender in public visibly. As a result, I do think that this is scary to some people, people, don't a lot of times understand transgender people and that can lead to misunderstandings that then get targeted via legislation.

I think we've seen this with several minority communities in America going back all throughout history. And so I do wanna caution, um, people from overreading, the attempts to ban gender affirming care. Cuz one thing that I will note is that last year we did have the most ever anti-trans and anti LGBTQ bills filed in the United States.

Something around 250, depending on which source you use. The vast majority of those were defeated, including in red states, places like South Dakota, places like Missouri. Um, and so. , I think it's important for people to, for Republicans for instance, not overplay their hand on this issue.

[00:03:34] Robby Soave: Mm. That's well taken.

So I'm seeing some concerns though, expressed by people, not just people who are Republicans. Uh, there was a write up in the New York Times about puberty blockers, uh, making note of some objections that even some medical, uh, some scientists people have, that there's not been enough research on how this could affect, um, that it does in fact affect bone density in some people.

Um, there are studies in, uh, Nordic countries and England going on. There's been a kind of, it looks like to me, an easing off of, of how readily, um, puberty blockers will be prescribed to very young people. Um, do you, what, what do you make of those concerns? And, and, and, and that's really what we're talking about.

I agree with the bathroom stuff. Really dumb. I don't really know who cares who uses what bathroom and why we're concentrating on that at all. But, uh, the concern that parents have that I understand that young people who can't consent to all sorts of things, and you know, what, what should the proper process should be given what looked to me like not totally unfounded concerns about, um, these medical treatments.

[00:04:39] Tony Reed: Of course. So gender affirming care, especially among transgender youth, is a very complex issue. And given the medical consensus right now in America, uh, among all of the major medical organizations in the efficacy of their treatment, but also given concerns that other organizations might have and other activists might have, the decision, in my opinion and in the um, opinion of many legislatures around the United States is, this is a complex decision that should be left between families and their doctors. It is whenever you try to legislate what a family can do with their doctors and with their care teams, that you start running into issues. I do think that for, in your particular case around detransitioners, for instance, um, they deserve love and support and acceptance, and they deserve all of the resources that we can give them.

I will note though that the current wave of political detransitioners, who are advocating against, um, transgender care in legislatures around the United States, remind me very similar to the ex- gay movement of the 1990s and the early 2000s. You have them being paraded out in front of public, uh, essentially claiming that gender affirming care and that being trans is a fad, and it's something that you can fall out from.

And this may be true, for some people .However, the vast majority of people, and I know many detransitioners myself personally, who detransition don't do so because they're not transgender. They do so because they face family un unacceptance. They face peer abuse. They face the lack of ability to be employed as a result of being trans.

And the fear that's within the detransitioning community is high. And so I think that we need to turn down the temperature, especially around detransitioners.

[00:06:19] Robby Soave: I've heard some detransitioners describe that, but also as a pressure to have transitioned in the first place due to a kind of, maybe they're not non-binary or they don't easily, uh, match male or female stereotypes and they're, you know, obviously young people are much more fluid in their gender expression, which I am totally fine with. Um, I, I think a concern that some parents, or even some scientists, some people would have, is that just a broader trend toward gender fluidity, that is fine or should be accepted. But then is getting more of those young people will be swept up and, and will, will be easily affirmed and then maybe transition when actually all they were was gender fluid.

[00:07:01] Tony Reed: So I'm really glad that you brought this up because it's actually in the opinion of many people within the activist community, the high levels of gate keeping that lead to that. Because what you end up having is gender fluid people or people that are, um, that may be transgender but may not be seeking a full medical transition.

Essentially having to pursue a full medical transition in order to get legal acceptance. And so in many states, for instance, you know, you have things like medical transition required for legal acceptance. And so it is in these heightening of gates and the, um, narrowing of pathways in which a transgender person can experience being transgender, that I think you do see people that feel like they might have to portray themselves in that way.

Do you mean in

[00:07:47] Robby Soave: order to like, uh, like have the right. Uh, uh, description on an identification card or something. Was that What …

[00:07:55] Tony Reed: Description on an, on an identification card, changing your birth certificate, having access to bathrooms, sports teams, et cetera. So it's in these laws that are, that I think are being proposed in order to prevent that issue that you're actually seeing it heighten that issue.

And so I think that we should allow transgender youth and gender diverse youth to have a variety of options and leave these decisions between the families and their doctors. And I think even in, even in very Republican states, this argument has landed and people do realize that maybe this isn't something that we should legislate.

[00:08:30] Briahna Joy Gray: Yeah. There seems to be something, obviously libertarian about your position to say let it stay within between parents and families. And obviously that doesn't mean that there are, I mean, you can talk to detransitioners who make a very compelling case for why they have regrets, but that doesn't mean anything about people who wanna make a different kind of decision or the fact that living life does not insulate you from having regrets about all kinds of decisions that we make. In other context, we don't say we're going to take parents away from children. Remember, the context in which we're having this conversation is a bill to make it criminal for parents to support gender affirming care, which you should also say is a pretty broad category that has largely gone on undefined.

But would you also include things like allowing people to, uh, choose, use the name of their choosing and use the pronouns of their choosing and to dress in the way that they, uh, choose to be part, part of what you would describe as gender affirming care? And is that that kind of care implicated in a bill like this, or is it stricter?

Is is it more strictly about medical interventions?

[00:09:29] Tony Reed: It depends on the bill. So in Texas, no. In Texas it is strictly puberty blockers and hormone therapy. However, we did see in Florida, for instance, the Department of Health, uh, release guidance that stated that social transition should also be included.

And so you are seeing an expansion of what they're willing to go after, what they're willing to target. I know that we recently saw in Tennessee a bill that would define, um, male and female impersonators, for instance, as being covered under anti sexuality laws. Mm. And obscenity laws. And so, um, we are seeing an expansion.

We're seeing an expansion in age ranges. In some cases, like in Missouri, they propose going up to the age of 25. Hmm. And you know, I think that people, especially, Certain legislatures and certain politicians are focusing in on this the wrong way, and I think that they're actually hurting the people that they're trying to help and doing this.

[00:10:16] Robby Soave: Yeah, I, look, I don't have any appetite whatsoever to really get the government involved in this question or really, really any question. Uh, but I, I think that, you know, just to represent what people who are concerned about this will say, I, I think they have an image in their head. Uh, you have a, you have a, a kid, a, a young teen or a preteen, um, maybe a boy, but is interested in dresses, is interested in dolls.

If they end up talking to a, a counselor with a more, uh, progressive or activist worldview, they might very quickly be put down a pathway toward puberty blockers and transitioning when odds are that kid might just be gay, they might just be a feminine boy, et cetera. That's a concern I hear. Um, you know, in your experience, from your knowledge of the community, is it, is it as easy as that or, or is there pushback and interrogation of what you know, "what do you actually want? are you just uncomfortable your body because it's hard to go through puberty and it's hard to be a teenager", you know, those kinds of questions. There's a fear that it's, it's, it's. The pathway is, is too easy and then you'll end up getting more false positives given this greater gender fluidity

[00:11:21] Tony Reed: Of course, and so I speak to many families of transgender youth. I've helped several families of transgender youth, and I can say that of my personal experience, and this is what I can speak to, my personal experience, all of them that I've spoken to have had years of psychological care, years of care teams, have met with multiple doctors.

Many parents initially were unsupportive then have become supportive of transition care for their kids. Not all of them are seeking medical transitions either. I think this is a complex issue, undoubtedly is a complex issue around gender affirming care for trans youth and the different forms that that can take.

But again, I really do think that in these cases where there are complex issues and where there is a variety of medical guidance, that you have to, you have to allow families to make that decision. And there might be, there might be decisions that are wrongly made, but that's the case I think, in all kinds of care that you would get for kids.

[00:12:11] Briahna Joy Gray: Yeah. The the what about the children is really the, the lynchpin for a lot of these conservative arguments cuz they think, they understand that it seems extremely invasive to be telling now 25 year olds what they can and cannot do. And it does seem like a lot of the, the, the fear monitoring the precious preciousness about kids is about specifically people's purient fascination with people's sexuality, their sex lives, their sexual organs in particular. And there is, there is a part of my me that sometimes. . Okay. If it's all about the kids, if you can get all these Republicans to let, let go of this by simply saying, we're not gonna do anything until folks are 18.

Is that, is that a concession that should be made? On the other hand, I understand that there are a lot of people who sincerely stick with their transitions, who feel like if they had been able to start earlier, if they've been able to start on these hormone block blockers and stuff earlier, that they would be better able to pass, that their life in the, in their chosen gender would be easier because we still do live in a world where people are very hostile to trans people and the ability to pass is somewhat coveted. And this gets back to the point that Robbie was making earlier. How much of this is about people's discomfort with being gender non-conforming and does wanting to help people get access to hormones, et cetera earlier, is that just me or a good, good well meaning left person buying into the value of, of, of passing? Do you know what I'm saying? It's like, it is an interesting back and forth that I have with myself psychologically.

[00:13:39] Tony Reed: Of course. Of course. And you know, I think. There are so many things that have to be considered whenever you're making these decisions, and I think that everybody is doing the best that they can. I truly think that the parents want the best for their kids. I think that the doctors want the best for their kids.

I even think that the legislatures want the best for the kids, regardless of Republican or democratic legislatures. And as long as we are approaching this from that perspective, I think that ultimately, we have to trust the families, like we have to.

We, we trust the families in so many other areas of life.

And you hear right now parental rights being a big thing around transgender issues. And I think for ideological consistency here, we need to have parental rights in terms of how you determine the care that your kid receives. Hmm. And I mean, we're all doing the best we can. Parents are doing the best they as they can.

And you know, I think that for a lot of kids, for a lot of transgender kids, this care does make a huge difference in their lives. Um, You know, withdrawing that care also would make a huge difference in their lives.

[00:14:42] Briahna Joy Gray: Mm-hmm. , thanks for joining us, Erin Reid, this has been a really wonderful conversation.

[00:14:47] Robby Soave: Tomorrow on Rising, we'll be breaking down more of the FTX drama.

We'll have Yahoo Finance reporter, Kevin Ceril. You won't wanna miss that.

[00:14:54] Briahna Joy Gray: Yeah. Be sure to like, share and subscribe. You never miss any content at all. And for those of you who prefer to listen while on the go, we are now available anywhere you listen to podcast. We're also available on Roku and other streaming services, so we can catch us there as well.

See you tomorrow. Bye-bye.

 

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I assume cis kid inconvenience is realising that cutting your genitals off wasn’t as ‘affirming’ as tiktok said it would be?

Born to Detrans
Tony is a fuck
Kill em all
41 dead trans kids daily

We need to relook at suicide statistics because holy shit this isn't what is happening.

Tony Slobbins is too fucking stupid to realize if there was a real "trans genocide" going around, HE WOULDNT BE ALLOWED TO TALK ABOUT IT.

Anytime he gets pushback is him being suppressed. Anytime. So he's still oppressed on a daily basis.

If he didn't always immediately jump to GENOCIDE I'M BEING GENOCIDED he might actually have more supporters. He's manchild who cried wolf and if the time comes where there's a giant wolf, everyone will think he's hysterical.

I think we should all adopt Tony's reading of the UN's criteria, I myself am outraged at the lack of media coverage for the ongoing GAMER GENOCIDE!

GAMERS RISE UP!!! GAMERGATE 3 IS ALREADY IN PROGRESS!!!

funny how tony always skips the D) section of the genocide criteria, given how he advocates sterilizing children and all

The only reason he does is that he can't yet argue that "insurance does not cover egg or sperm preservation nor uterine transplants".

I think by his logic transferring children from their parents to their new glitter family secret LGBTQ catboy ranch Discord server is a form of genocide.

I imagine even if you asked him about this with clear evidence he'd just stammer and insult you as many times as possible.


Meanwhile, from the unquotable Geranium longpost:

Moving on, guns for me (a felon who hates women) but not for thee (women):

I can't remember the last trans activist that got beaten up. He should consider us a valid source since we love sperging about people being beat up.

Tony helped save a child's life? How? It's unclear! Apparently a family he "helped flee"(?) Texas now say that if Hero Tony had not done whatever it was he did(??) the child would have died(???) because Texas announced some draft legislation targeting those who insist on inflicting medical experiments on their children(????).

I wish we knew the crazy family he's helping, if he's helping, but I don't want to have kids be online like this with a crazy parent.

2am, Tuesday November 15

Tony thinks he's found a gotcha for those who doubt the trans genocide:

Thank god, now the Jews can get back at Hitler for making them use the nonkosher toilet.

Women could probably turn the same Gotchas back on him with this.

Tony laments that if Twitter goes under, "it's going to suck losing so many queer activist communities." Don't worry, Tone, we'll still be here for you!

We really do have enough gays to count at this point. At the very least we should be considered a mental health awareness and activist community considering how many of us talk about it and are bonkers ourselves!

He doesn't even try to argue it, just defers to authority and says "anyway families should be able to do what they like to their kids".

This is the same argument you could use to defend marrying off your child at 16 to someone because they had sex once.

But this is baffling to me: this is a new, extremely contentious area of medical practice, and Tony thinks our stance should be "Let the parents fuck around and find out." Crazy.

Because a child is an actual human being in need of guidance and protection to you, not an extension of yourself like Aaron thinks.

All of the trans-identifying children Tony has spoken to "have had years of psychological care"!? I seriously doubt that.

Dog years.

 

[Geranium]

Tony blames LibsOfTikTok for a shooting at a gay bar in Colorado:

Then, the next tweet in the same thread, Tony says we don’t know what the shooter’s motives were, but it’s still the fault of LibsOfTikTok:

Well, which is it?

Archive. There’s so much more to say about how Tony and his orbiters have immediately blamed anyone who disagrees with them on any aspect of transgenderism for the shooting. Montana state representative Zooey “take a tour of my neovag” Zephyr even pointed the finger at the NYT story which tamely asked “maybe puberty blockers have risks?” including a hilarious misreading of one line in the story. Later.