Money Barb Sued by Discover Bank

[Ravenor]

I sometimes wonder if Barb enjoys wounding Chris more than anything. Or at least having something subservient to her and torturing it.

You know what does bring up a interesting question, is Barb aware of the mess she's potentially going to leave Chris and if she is does she even care.

In my mind Barb was well aware she was to old to really care for a child when Chris came along in the early 80's but had homes that he'd at least be able to take care of her later in life, and as times gone on she's grown more than a little resentful that she's still bringing up a 6 year old and has been for the last 28 years, who's caused a lot of problems for her both financially and emotionally (although that last one is easy to do) over the years and about all he's useful for is a little bit of extra cash and a ride down to the charity shop every now and then.

And the answer is, I'm not that sure she's aware of what she's done or doing to Chris at least consciously. She's a narcisist and as long as things are going her way or she's at least willing to put up with the outcome she's quite happy, she also thinks she's smarter than every body else so she try's to turn on the smarts to get things she wants.
But when things don't go her way when she knows or feels she can dominate some one she will as evidenced by the way she handles Chris, and dips into his tugboat when the needs arrises but god help chris if he tried to do the same as that's hers, and when she can't charm her way into getting what she wants it's greedy firemen, lazy builder and corrupt police.

At home I'm guessing she's willing to leave Chris to his tarding around an as long as he's not making to much noise unless she wants something and then he'd better be there front an center in 30 seconds flat and will fob Chris off he wants her for some reason, and will find something she wants that she can't afford but find some way of justifying using OPL as a way of getting it, it's for his benefit or we'll it's gona add to my legacy etc. But all the while in the back of her mind she's thinking I coulda got that right now if it wasn't for that little git, or every time he's out she wonders if she's going to get a phone call from the police saying "Mr's Chandler, your son's been arrested for..."

 

[timtommy]

Most managers are just minimum-wage schlubs who are entrusted to be overseers to the other minimum wage schlubs. I doubt that they are going to take the restraint or patience in order to babysit some obnoxious trantard and keep it from burning the place down due to stupidity.

Maybe not. Most managers won't have the time or interest to figure out how to manage Chris. But some strategies would work better than others, so if a manger happens to use one of them, it will be a decent match. For example, if a manager is a real hard ass, and punishes you by giving you shitty/fewer shifts for a while if he catches you slacking, Chris' general timidity and fear of confrontation might make him learn his lesson quickly. Or if a manager doesn't really care about effort, Chris might be able to get away with slacking with everyone else. But if a manager's default strategy is to give Chris a quick reminder to pick his game up if he is starting to suck, then Chris' response will just be "Hmm, yeah, but Sonichu, trolls, lesbians.", and then go back to doing what he was doing. Which would just lead to frustration and perhaps termination.

 

[An Sionnach Seang]

And the answer is, I'm not that sure she's aware of what she's done or doing to Chris at least consciously. She's a narcisist and as long as things are going her way or she's at least willing to put up with the outcome she's quite happy, she also thinks she's smarter than every body else so she try's to turn on the smarts to get things she wants.
But when things don't go her way when she knows or feels she can dominate some one she will as evidenced by the way she handles Chris, and dips into his tugboat when the needs arrises but god help chris if he tried to do the same as that's hers, and when she can't charm her way into getting what she wants it's greedy firemen, lazy builder and corrupt police.

this is very true - self-awareness is never a strong point with narcissists

 

[Dain Bramage]

You know what does bring up a interesting question, is Barb aware of the mess she's potentially going to leave Chris and if she is does she even care.

In my mind Barb was well aware she was to old to really care for a child when Chris came along in the early 80's but had homes that he'd at least be able to take care of her later in life, and as times gone on she's grown more than a little resentful that she's still bringing up a 6 year old and has been for the last 28 years, who's caused a lot of problems for her both financially and emotionally (although that last one is easy to do) over the years and about all he's useful for is a little bit of extra cash and a ride down to the charity shop every now and then.

And the answer is, I'm not that sure she's aware of what she's done or doing to Chris at least consciously. She's a narcisist and as long as things are going her way or she's at least willing to put up with the outcome she's quite happy, she also thinks she's smarter than every body else so she try's to turn on the smarts to get things she wants.
But when things don't go her way when she knows or feels she can dominate some one she will as evidenced by the way she handles Chris, and dips into his tugboat when the needs arrises but god help chris if he tried to do the same as that's hers, and when she can't charm her way into getting what she wants it's greedy firemen, lazy builder and corrupt police.

At home I'm guessing she's willing to leave Chris to his tarding around an as long as he's not making to much noise unless she wants something and then he'd better be there front an center in 30 seconds flat and will fob Chris off he wants her for some reason, and will find something she wants that she can't afford but find some way of justifying using OPL as a way of getting it, it's for his benefit or we'll it's gona add to my legacy etc. But all the while in the back of her mind she's thinking I coulda got that right now if it wasn't for that little git, or every time he's out she wonders if she's going to get a phone call from the police saying "Mr's Chandler, your son's been arrested for..."

Why are you calling it a "she"?

 

[repentance]

Maybe not. Most managers won't have the time or interest to figure out how to manage Chris. But some strategies would work better than others, so if a manger happens to use one of them, it will be a decent match. For example, if a manager is a real hard ass, and punishes you by giving you shitty/fewer shifts for a while if he catches you slacking, Chris' general timidity and fear of confrontation might make him learn his lesson quickly. Or if a manager doesn't really care about effort, Chris might be able to get away with slacking with everyone else. But if a manager's default strategy is to give Chris a quick reminder to pick his game up if he is starting to suck, then Chris' response will just be "Hmm, yeah, but Sonichu, trolls, lesbians.", and then go back to doing what he was doing. Which would just lead to frustration and perhaps termination.

Nobody has any incentive to employ someone like Chris unless it's through a government sponsored vocational rehabilitation programme which provides both a financial incentive and ongoing workplace support. Such programmes have far better candidates they can try to place - candidates who have a more realistic likelihood of becoming long term employees.

It's a bit of a Catch 22, but there comes a point where the cheaper option is actually to pay government benefits indefinitely than to pay the cost of providing training, subsidies and ongoing workplace support for someone who is essentially unemployable. Some people who are considerably more disabled than Chris are also more employable than Chris and it's those people on whom vocational rehabilitation programmes focus and whom employers are willing to take on.

 

[Buck Mullet]

There is a place where Chris would learn the value of work and that lesson would probably stick with him, causing him to consider being employed as a necessity rather than beneath him. That place is called prison. Some time in the big house would probably be the best thing to happen to him.

 

[Katolate]

There is a place where Chris would learn the value of work and that lesson would probably stick with him, causing him to consider being employed as a necessity rather than beneath him. That place is called prison. Some time in the big house would probably be the best thing to happen to him.

As we have commented before, Chris' life has long ago reached a point where prison would be an improvement.

 

[anephric]

Nobody has any incentive to employ someone like Chris unless it's through a government sponsored vocational rehabilitation programme which provides both a financial incentive and ongoing workplace support. Such programmes have far better candidates they can try to place - candidates who have a more realistic likelihood of becoming long term employees.

It's a bit of a Catch 22, but there comes a point where the cheaper option is actually to pay government benefits indefinitely than to pay the cost of providing training, subsidies and ongoing workplace support for someone who is essentially unemployable. Some people who are considerably more disabled than Chris are also more employable than Chris and it's those people on whom vocational rehabilitation programmes focus and whom employers are willing to take on.

All of this is spot on.

It's funny how if you removed even one of the base elements of Chris's personality - his narcissism or his lack of work experience - his chances of surviving at a normal workplace increases dramatically. The thing is he's a perfect storm of both entitled and completely lacking in experience (aka worthless).

 

[DonaldJTrump]

I think my near 5 year old niece has a better work ethic than chris

 

[Katolate]

I think my near 5 year old niece has a better work ethic than chris

Well, I think your 5 year old nice doesn't shit and piss herself all the time, so you have a very strong point there.

 

[Ruin]

There is a place where Chris would learn the value of work and that lesson would probably stick with him, causing him to consider being employed as a necessity rather than beneath him. That place is called prison. Some time in the big house would probably be the best thing to happen to him.

For what? Being fat and retarded?

 

[Sperglord Dante]

Nobody has any incentive to employ someone like Chris unless it's through a government sponsored vocational rehabilitation programme which provides both a financial incentive and ongoing workplace support.

I've always thought pity or excessive optimism could lead an otherwise competent employer to ignore the fact Chris, even if earning less than minimum wage and after factoring the sped tax cut, is a liability and not an asset.

 

[Picklemaker]

I've always thought pity or excessive optimism could lead an otherwise competent employer to ignore the fact Chris, even if earning less than minimum wage and after factoring the sped tax cut, is a liability and not an asset.

Never underestimate the capacity of White Knights for denial, justification, and screwing over coworkers out of pettiness they spin as righteousness.

 

[Commander Keen]

Regarding Chris getting a job, I realized out we had been forgetting a very important detail.

Chris is getting OLD.

So between hiring a 20 year old exceptional individual and a finicky 34 year old exceptional individual w/o any real job experience, any employer would pick the youngest of them.

So basically, Chris' decade of livin la vida loca at home playing games and freaking out on the internet is going to bite him hard.

I dunno what it's like in Virginia, but over here the state government has programs and institutions in place that are specifically designed to get people to go to work. Especially those with disabilities.

And I have just given their website a once over. I did not see one job that our fearless hero can perform adequately judging from my experience observing the man. So you may be right. I envision CWC winding up in a halfway house by the end of his life. Which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. He would get a chance to socialize and make friends with the other residents and hopefully come out of his autistic shell just a little bit more, but he would have to say goodbye to a large number of luxuries that he presently enjoys. Which would mean an end to new content, but I pray that by then I will have completely forgotten about CWC.

 

[Jerkop In Training]

What if Chris got a job where he has to do customer service and the customer wore a shirt with blue sleeves?

 

[DragoonSierra]

Barbara Anne, Barbara Anne,
Always throwin' a tirade.
Barbara Anne, what an abomination!
Barbara Anne, Barbara Anne,
In her home long past decayed
She don't give a damn, Barbara Anne!

Was more refering to the Beach Boys song but that works too.

Spoiler: Barbara Ann

There is a place where Chris would learn the value of work and that lesson would probably stick with him, causing him to consider being employed as a necessity rather than beneath him. That place is called prison. Some time in the big house would probably be the best thing to happen to him.

As we have commented before, Chris' life has long ago reached a point where prison would be an improvement.

And as Ive commented before that would cost the government more money than the tugboat currently does

Nobody has any incentive to employ someone like Chris unless it's through a government sponsored vocational rehabilitation programme which provides both a financial incentive and ongoing workplace support. Such programmes have far better candidates they can try to place - candidates who have a more realistic likelihood of becoming long term employees.

It's a bit of a Catch 22, but there comes a point where the cheaper option is actually to pay government benefits indefinitely than to pay the cost of providing training, subsidies and ongoing workplace support for someone who is essentially unemployable. Some people who are considerably more disabled than Chris are also more employable than Chris and it's those people on whom vocational rehabilitation programmes focus and whom employers are willing to take on.

The point of getting disabled people jobs is so they become someone elses problem and not the governments. It is absolutely worth it money wise for the state or federal government to pay for all of those things than to simply pay for SSDI. Also the training is a one time expense.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

It'd really need to be a perfect storm for Chris to find a suitable job, one of the most important things would probally be to find a job with people who'd be willing to socialise and interact with him (Seeing it'd be the closest thing to highschool for him with people working together for long, regular periods) although it'd probally just end in drama.

 

[DragoonSierra]

It'd really need to be a perfect storm for Chris to find a suitable job, one of the most important things would probally be to find a job with people who'd be willing to socialise and interact with him (Seeing it'd be the closest thing to highschool for him with people working together for long, regular periods) although it'd probally just end in drama.

Debt might also be a decent motivator if it gets large enough

 

[Trilby]

Was more refering to the Beach Boys song but that works too.

Spoiler: Barbara Ann

I'm more partial to the Regents version.

 

[Muscle Bra]

It'd really need to be a perfect storm for Chris to find a suitable job...

Debt might also be a decent motivator if it gets large enough

Folks, we're forgetting one important factor here -- the employer's side of things.

Let's assume that: (i) Chris reaches a point where the tugboat ain't cutting cutting it and Etsy sales have slowed down and Chris realizes he needs a job; and (ii) Chris is willing to put down his Amiibos and his PS4 and his Sonichu scribblings and try to find a job; and (iii) he know that government programs exist to help place speds in the workforce; and (iv) he applies to this program; and (v) this program accepts him; and (vi) this program finds him a potential job that he can do; and (vii) CWC is willing and able to do this job (no carrying of 5-ton doghouses or stocking 50-pound 12-packs of soda). With me so far?

Now, look at it from the employers' point of view. More specifically, what incentive would they have to hire CWC over anyone -- and I mean *anyone* -- else who applied for the position? Even if they are getting a tax subsidy or a wage break or whatever, I see no reason why they wouldn't pick some quiet, clean-cut, 20-YO exceptional individual or an older lady in her 60's trying to re-enter the workforce over an aging, unbathed, lesbian-souled tranny with unkempt seaweed-green hair and literally no job history.

To have even half a chance at getting hired by an employer, CWC would literally need to be the only candidate for the job and -- even with his prospective employer knowing nothing about him (and IGNORE all google results!) -- his appearance, lack of any marketable skills, and non-existent ability to socialize would likely cause even the kindliest of employers to take a second thought.