Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[The Foxtrot]

See?! Right here - Right fucking here!

Why does NATO need to give more money to you?! Why do does it seem you believe you are entitled to other's money. Period.

Other nations are happy to provide refugee status, infrastructure support with power outages, and other humanitarian items for the citizens. But it is always fucking money with you people. You act like other people aren't suffering in the world and could support.

Because they conveniently forget the part where billions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives were wasted in a 20 year long "Global War on Terror", and that the West as a whole / America in particular is facing an economic crisis with the very real possibility of a second Great Depression looming.

They think that Twitter and some warhawk politicians means that the average Westerner/American is totally onboard with #SlavaUkrainininini, and not that we've already had enough of our brothers/fathers/sons being sent home in caskets for a war we don't even know the reason for fighting while we're struggling to make ends meet and put food on the table.

People here are tired of the pointless "Forever Wars", and that's all the current SMO in Ukraine is. One more pointless war that won't benefit us if we put boots on the ground for it.

 

[redeyejedi]

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[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

Nigga, all evidence points to the Russians overextending themselves and being chewed to pieces by the Ukrainian military and International Black Ops teams helping them. Putin went in too deep, and it now looks like he's going to lose.

I'll do agree with you that the war of northern aggression lead to many deep divisions in America that persist to this day. Best case scenario, Putin would've had to deal with the same thing if his blitzkrieg succeeded. I no longer buy the cope that Putin was playing 4d chess to trap insurgents in the cities and shell them from a distance because every time I check back in on this thread, they've lost more ground. I think Putin took catastrophic losses and now the Russian lines are collapsing.

The "evidence" in the early days consisted of old footage from the donbas war, fake staged stuff and on occasion video game footage, plus Russian POV footage being banned/deleted off the English speaking Internet outside of Telegram. It's about creating a perception. Putin certainly fucked up by massively under-committing w/ troops and only partially mobilizing in SEPTEMBER. These factors led to being outnumbered massively as Zelensky mobilized everyone he could.

 

[Overly Serious]

It's only been 9 months. It would be absolutely no problem for NATO to support Ukraine with funding equal to the annual military budget of Russia for the foreseeable future.

I'll remind you of the "joke" about the US being willing to fight Russia to the last Ukranian. They can keep throwing money into Ukraine for as long as they can print it (which may not be as long as people think with inflation in the USA getting worse by the month) but lives are being lost every day. The Ukranian economy has collapsed and is being maintained by the money being pumped into it. Ukraine is geographically the size of France and has a population of around 40 million. How long do you expect the West to support the country financially and how long do you expect Ukrainian men (many or most of them conscripts) to keep dying? Whilst the female population flees and is absorbed into other countries?

At some point the situation tips over from you throwing weapons into a country and throwing weapons into a failed state. And we should have some idea how well that works. In fact, we know for a fact that Western supplied weapons are already being sold amongst criminals.

Alongside happiness, we should possibly add Peace as one of the things money can't buy.

DK man, this sounds a lot like the American cope that Iraq and Afghanistan were ready to welcome us with open arms.

Except that there weren't cultural ties between Iraqis and Americans. Quite the opposite in fact. Whereas most of Eastern Ukraine's population are ethnically Russian. Shared language and culture. And equally significantly, they'd be being brought into Russia as part of the actual country with the rights that brings. American troops occupied Iraq and Afghanistan. If they'd declared Iraqis citizens of the USA with freedom of movement and other entitlements throughout the USA, you might have seen a very different reaction amongst the Iraqis. Not that such a thing was conceivable. With Eastern Ukranian towns becoming part of Russia that's not only conceivable - it's what's happening.

The two situations really are very different.

Putin would've had to deal with the same thing if his blitzkrieg succeeded.

"Blyatskrieg".

 

[NIA-DOA 2.0]

I live in the United States. It makes me very happy to see a threat like Russia finally destroyed for pennies compared to what it cost fighting them back during the Cold War.

Not just talking about the USA. Countries from almost every continent gave aid to Ukraine. It is up to them to manage it wisely.

The rest of the world is not Ukraine's piggybank. Russia is a paper tiger and restrained into its respective region. Stop acting like Soviet supersoldiers are going to come in and beat you up for your lunch money. That is pure fantasy.

 

[Beak Thing]

I'll remind you of the "joke" about the US being willing to fight Russia to the last Ukranian. They can keep throwing money into Ukraine for as long as they can print it (which may not be as long as people think with inflation in the USA getting worse by the month) but lives are being lost every day. The Ukranian economy has collapsed and is being maintained by the money being pumped into it. Ukraine is geographically the size of France and has a population of around 40 million. How long do you expect the West to support the country financially and how long do you expect Ukrainian men (many or most of them conscripts) to keep dying? Whilst the female population flees and is absorbed into other countries?

At some point the situation tips over from you throwing weapons into a country and throwing weapons into a failed state. And we should have some idea how well that works. In fact, we know for a fact that Western supplied weapons are already being sold amongst criminals.

This is such delusional cope and so outdated it's almost hilarious....did you just wake up from a coma thinking it's March 22, 2022?

 

[Overly Serious]

I live in the United States. It makes me very happy to see a threat like Russia finally destroyed for pennies compared to what it cost fighting them back during the Cold War.

If you live in the United States I can't see how you can feel that Russia is a threat to you. There's no country on Earth that has less to fear from invasion than the USA. You're huge, you have the largest strategic alliance in history at your beck and call and you have the largest stockpile of weapons in existence by a considerable margin. Plus your culture practically worships the military. (Your elites treat them like crap but the population hails them in equal measure). You have nothing to fear from Russia except in one sense and one sense only - they provide a competitor to you financially through their energy exports and their arms exports.

Russia is mostly certainly not a threat to you in any military sense (unless you actually initiated a nuclear war). It is only a threat to your hegemony. And if that is sufficient grounds to justify trying to destroy it as your leaders openly call for, then your ethics need some serious examination.

 

[BULLY HUNTER_78]

The "evidence" in the early days consisted of old footage from the donbas war, fake staged stuff and on occasion video game footage, plus Russian POV footage being banned/deleted off the English speaking Internet outside of Telegram. It's about creating a perception. Putin certainly fucked up by massively under-committing w/ troops and only partially mobilizing in SEPTEMBER. These factors led to being outnumbered massively as Zelensky mobilized everyone he could.

I'll keep this post in mind and time will tell if you're vindicated. Personally, I don't have a dog in this fight other than the general annoyance my president is throwing a bitchfit over his personal slushfund being threatened in Ukraine. I'm just drawing the conclusion any rational person would draw when every time I check back in this thread, the area secured by Russia is smaller.

No shame in losing to the globohomo - I am pretty sure they sent their entire conventional war arsenal to fight Putler.

If you live in the United States I can't see how you can feel that Russia is a threat to you. There's no country on Earth that has less to fear from invasion than the USA. You're huge, you have the largest strategic alliance in history at your beck and call and you have the largest stockpile of weapons in existence by a considerable margin. Plus your culture practically worships the military. (Your elites treat them like crap but the population hails them in equal measure). You have nothing to fear from Russia except in one sense and one sense only - they provide a competitor to you financially through their energy exports and their arms exports.

They have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world (on paper). If they truly weren't a threat, burgerland would've already invaded them and "liberated" their oil. I think Biden is playing with fire with his current level of involvement.

 

[Beak Thing]

If you live in the United States I can't see how you can feel that Russia is a threat to you. There's no country on Earth that has less to fear from invasion than the USA. You're huge, you have the largest strategic alliance in history at your beck and call and you have the largest stockpile of weapons in existence by a considerable margin. Plus your culture practically worships the military. (Your elites treat them like crap but the population hails them in equal measure). You have nothing to fear from Russia except in one sense and one sense only - they provide a competitor to you financially through their energy exports and their arms exports.

Russia's no threat to us economically, they can't even produce oil or gas without Western technology and the US has plenty of its own to go around. Totally outclassed in every single way, there is simply no comparison between the sheer economic might of the United States and Russia.

Did you forget the Cold War? That half-century long conflict that resulted in tens if not hundreds of millions of deaths due to the spread of Russian Communism that America fought to destroy? No wonder you guys are getting your shit kicked in, you have such a basic lack of historical knowledge you honestly though the Ukrainians would welcome you as liberators!

It's amazing how all of those countries in Eastern Europe immediately joined NATO as soon as possible after being freed from the Russian yoke.

Russia is mostly certainly not a threat to you in any military sense (unless you actually initiated a nuclear war). It is only a threat to your hegemony. And if that is sufficient grounds to justify trying to destroy it as your leaders openly call for, then your ethics need some serious examination.

Keep coping, you fucked up and you know it and the fear is palpable.

 

[NIA-DOA 2.0]

If you live in the United States I can't see how you can feel that Russia is a threat to you. There's no country on Earth that has less to fear from invasion than the USA. You're huge, you have the largest strategic alliance in history at your beck and call and you have the largest stockpile of weapons in existence by a considerable margin. Plus your culture practically worships the military. (Your elites treat them like crap but the population hails them in equal measure). You have nothing to fear from Russia except in one sense and one sense only - they provide a competitor to you financially through their energy exports and their arms exports.

Russia is mostly certainly not a threat to you in any military sense (unless you actually initiated a nuclear war). It is only a threat to your hegemony. And if that is sufficient grounds to justify trying to destroy it as your leaders openly call for, then your ethics need some serious examination.

Russia isn't even a threat to us economically. We could be energy independent if we really needed to be. We could could coordinate with oil rich nations to provide an alternative to Russia's market if absolutely necessary.

Ivan has seen better days. Right now he is just a scared, old, senile man trying to understand what is going on. Worthy of respect? Yes. Worthy of negotiating with? Yes. But to be scared that Ivan is of any threat or challenge to the USA militarily or financially? Laughable!

 

[Overly Serious]

They have the largest nuclear arsenal in the world (on paper). If they truly weren't a threat, burgerland would've already invaded them and "liberated" their oil. I think Biden is playing with fire with his current level of involvement.

Well I did bring that up in my post. Russia isn't a nuclear threat to the United States unless through some madness the USA initiated a First Strike.

Which reminds me of the annoying fact that there's just been approval for the USA basing some new nuclear missiles in the UK. You don't need your missiles to be near your enemy if they're to be used as a deterrent. Because once launched there's no way to stop the resulting devastation. The only thing you need is for your radar to be near the enemy so that you can get as much notice as possible of the enemies launch. And we already provide radar information to the USA (as do all NATO countries).

You're using "threat" in the sense that Russia can defend itself with nuclear weapons. Sure - which is why the USA is trying a "bleed them dry" and plan terrorism approach with Russia. But Russia isn't a threat to the USA militarily. It's not going to initiate a nuclear war with the USA without very strong cause. So the Elephant talking about how Russia is a threat to the USA as a justification for US foreign policy is way off base. It's only a threat to US hegemony. If he wants to make the case that indirectly that's a threat because the USA will enter a depression if the dollar's status as Global Reserve Currency is lost then sure - I guess. But God didn't give the USA a right to export its inflation to the rest of the world via having global reserve status.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Actions speak louder than words, and being the hyena of Europe certainly won't give anyone many friends.

What can you do with a population that's less than NY or LA. Most people are simply retarded and drunk on the fumes of their own vain ambitions. Smart people understand compromise, even with somebody you dislike, is necessary until you exit a crisis. Friends? Don't make me laugh. There are only have predators around. Alliances never meant friendship.
The world would be safer if more people would be pragmatic and realistic. Also America is just 30 years removed from the 90s era when we used to admire it.
Russia on the other hand... we have never liked, never admired, never desired as an ally. Just like the Turks.

 

[Overly Serious]

Russia's no threat to us economically, they can't even produce oil or gas without Western technology and the US has plenty of its own to go around. Totally outclassed in every single way, there is simply no comparison between the sheer economic might of the United States and Russia.

And yet a few posts ago you referred to Russia as a threat. A strange double-think you have in which Russia is no military threat, no economic threat but still... a threat.

The EU is the real threat to the USA. Technological parity, population parity, educated population with political stability (comparatively, until recently), strong export market, native weapons industry of competitive quality (if perhaps not volume). And in fact the Euro was explicitly touted as a rival to the dollar when it was created. But what does the EU need? Energy. And where did we buy it? Russia (in large amounts).

In excising Russia from trade with the EU, the USA has sabotaged its largest economic rival Europe. But then as Victoria Nuland remarked "Fuck the EU" and "we get less (sic) Europeans".

 

[Suck the Cock]

Are you American? If so, your government launched the bloodiest war in your nation's history to violate the "sovereignty" of a new state that decided it wanted to be "not-America".

Also the civil war was about slavery and everyone involved is dead anyway.

 

[Beak Thing]

And yet a few posts ago you referred to Russia as a threat. A strange double-think you have in which Russia is no military threat, no economic threat but still... a threat.

We only know that Russia is no military threat to the US thanks to its embarrassing disaster in Ukraine. Every objective analyst in the West felt Ukraine would fold within days once Russia attacked given the information at the time.

Still no apology for the Communism Russia inflicted on the world though.

The EU is the real threat to the USA. Technological parity, population parity, educated population with political stability (comparatively, until recently), strong export market, native weapons industry of competitive quality (if perhaps not volume). And in fact the Euro was explicitly touted as a rival to the dollar when it was created. But what does the EU need? Energy. And where did we buy it? Russia (in large amounts).

In excising Russia from trade with the EU, the USA has sabotaged its largest economic rival Europe. But then as Victoria Nuland remarked "Fuck the EU" and "we get less (sic) Europeans".

There is no rivalry between the US and EU other than free market competition between friendly countries. I'd have no problem with doing business with an EU company if they offer the best product for the best price.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

This is such delusional cope and so outdated it's almost hilarious....did you just wake up from a coma thinking it's March 22, 2022?

I know you're only rooting for Ukraine as you're hoping to fag out in the prostitution, porn and sex trafficking capital of Europe but should the neo Nazis prevail, into the ovens you go. Same if Russia triumphs; if you aren't discreet and/or target the underage into the gulag you go, where you'll wish for an oven.

What can you do with a population that's less than NY or LA.

Opinion instantly disregarded.

The Atlantic decided to display DC's conundrum in the most pathetic and childish way

It's like that Avengers movie!

 

[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

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Also the civil war was about slavery and everyone involved is dead anyway.

And the Ukrainian war is about "De-Nazification" ; )

 

[Beak Thing]

I know you're only rooting for Ukraine as you're hoping to fag out in the prostitution, porn and sex trafficking capital of Europe but should the neo Nazis prevail, into the ovens you go. Same if Russia triumphs; if you aren't discreet and/or target the underage into the gulag you go, where you'll wish for an oven.

Good to see you again Feline. I appreciate and respect your willingness to stay in the game and not ignore me like the clowns on ZH...a true warrior, someone willing to fight for their side rather than retreat to a censored hugbox.

I'd recommend you look at the plank in your own eye regarding Russia's massive problems with these issues before the speck in my own.

 

[Overly Serious]

No wonder you guys are getting your shit kicked in

You've done this enough times now that it's worth calling out: assuming that people who disagree with you are Russian. Most of us are not. We're either people who simply see a better path to peace (and one that isn't 'destroying our enemies for a bargain price') or actual citizens of Western countries who merely don't see it as in our interests to be funnelling money and weapons to one party in this conflict.

There is no rivalry between the US and EU other than free market competition between friendly countries. I'd have no problem with doing business with an EU company if they offer the best product for the best price.

Ah ha ha ha! From US intelligence spying on European companies and funnelling the information to US competitors (e.g. Airbus and Boeing) to already referenced antagonism from US politicians (see posts above) to the simple reality that by pushing this war it's caused capital flight from the EU to the USA, it is and always has been the case that the EU and the USA are rivals. Wasn't one of the summaries of the purpose of NATO to "keep the Americans in, the Russians out and Germany down". For YEARS the USA has been sabotaging every meaningful trade interaction between Germany and Russia, culminating in literal sabotage when every other attempt to prevent the Nordstream 2 pipeline failed. Although that might have been someone US-aligned and not necessarily the US directly. Same difference. As de Gaulle remarked: countries don't have friends, only interests. I already told you explicitly that the Euro was founded in large part to create a competitor to the US dollar. OF course the EU and the USA are rivals. Half of US foreign policy over the years has been to prevent Germany and Russia growing closer. The USA pursues its own interests. The very tape Nuland had to apologise over was when the USA was trying to get their preferred puppet in power in Ukraine against the interests of Europe - that's literally the context of her conversation. Europe is paying a heavier price for this war than the USA and if the war continues and spreads it will come off FAR worse. And the war might spread, given that the USA (and you've supported this) is seeking to draw Russia into a prolonged state of conflict in order to bankrupt it and stoke unrest within the country. Every bloody corpse leads to generations of hatred. Who knows where this will all lead? Not me and certainly not you. We only know from experience that war spreads. That instability spreads. Your "we're getting a bargain" posts in this thread aren't just ethically repugnant. They're massively short-sighted.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Good to see you again Feline. I appreciate and respect your willingness to stay in the game and not ignore me like the clowns on ZH...a true warrior, someone willing to fight for their side rather than retreat to a censored hugbox.

I'd recommend you look at the plank in your own eye regarding Russia's massive problems with these issues before the speck in my own.

YWNBAW

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