I mean yeah, I won't argue that unfortunately, when a lot of people say "I'm not anti-something but-" it's usually followed not an anti-something statement, but not always. It can just mean they're going to say something which can be misinterpreted as anti-something without context. Pointing it out isn't a real argument to use, as you haven't demonstrated any proof that they are anti-something, just that they use the same kind of wording while presenting their argument.
Whether you agree or not, it's really hard to argue that people who are self-described anti-Zionists are not also anti-semites. The whole 'I just oppose the occupation of land by other countries!' kinda falls apart when the same people have never heard of the Armenian occupation and annexation of Karki, Barxudarli and Yuxari. Or how Azerbaijan decided to occupy and annex Artsvashen.
'But, it's long past history, no one ever heard about that!'. It actually happened in the early 90s.
'Well it certainly did not create as many deaths as the current Israeli-Palestinian conflict! It's been going on forever!'. Actually it killed more people (between 40,000-50,000) than all 60 years of I/P conflict in a couple of years, lead to 70,000+ wounded and about 5,000 missing who are most likely interred in mass graves. There were also nearly 1.5m displaced, more than when Israel was created.
There are currently at least 12 military occupations going on at the moment, not to mention
dozens of others areas of land that have been annexed by other countries. When's the last time you protested the illegal British annexation of Rockall?
I know Tibet was all the rage for 15 minutes in the early 90s, but who gives a shit today? Who even ever heard of Ogaden or Sikkim?
Israel has garnered more condemnation from the UN than
every single other country in the world. Even the Darfur genocide or the Syrian civil war have not warranted special HR commissions or condemnations but somehow every time an Israeli soldier scratches his back vaguely menacingly its time for a new round of condemnation.
I don't have a problem with a country belonging to Jews existing. I just don't agree with the practice of stampeding out another country to get land for your own That goes for any country, not just Israel/Palestine.
Although I agree with Marvin's sentiment that there's no real point in condemning Israel in it's current state existing, it's too late for that.
Maybe I'm not a real Anti-Zionist, but just someone who thinks that Israel has done some pretty shitty stuff to Palestine to get to its current position, and that the conflict between the two should stop, and maybe (very very unlikely, and very hard to sort out) some of the more recently-taken land should be given back to Palestine.
That's not what happened at all. If you are interested in books about the creation of the State of Israel from actual historians, I can link you, or documentaries or whatever.
Yeah, no. Zionism, at least to my unstertanding, is pretty specific about where Zion should be.
There was a schism between the first Zionists, some wanted to accept a state in South America, some in Africa, others only in Israel. Zionism
today is clear about this, but prior to the establishment of the State/Balfour Declaration it certainly was not.
. If there was a grammar-nazi rating, I'd deserve it. I guess the "Autistic" rating'll have to do, huh.
