F.A.Qs about Jail, State Hospital, and Court

[Jon Osterman]

Yeah, but Chris has been a dependent child his entire life. I would be shocked if he understands he has the capability of objecting to this. He could tell his lawyer right now to get him out of the loony bin and the lawyer would be ethically bound to do just that.

I'm pretty sure he has been demanding that he get out of jail the entire time, it's just that he's an idiot and is trying to do so in the most direct way possible in his brain (whining that he should be let out and didn't do anything wrong). The reason proceedings have taken so long is because he was insisting that he and his lawyer fight this case out for full exoneration instead of taking a plea. In fact I'm pretty sure the only reason Chris took the autism deferral was because Heilberg straight up deceived him about what it entailed, because there's no way Chris would take it if he knew it meant spending time with his fellow tards. I don't know if he can get out of it now, but if he can and actually learns what the deferral meant, he will get out of it and in turn get sent right to prison.

 

[AnOminous]

In fact I'm pretty sure the only reason Chris took the autism deferral was because Heilberg straight up deceived him about what it entailed, because there's no way Chris would take it if he knew it meant spending time with his fellow tards.

I seriously doubt that. Heilberg is not going to endanger his so far spotless career by committing a disbarrable offense to trick a tard.

 

[Jon Osterman]

I seriously doubt that. Heilberg is not going to endanger his so far spotless career by committing a disbarrable offense to trick a tard.

I don't see many ways Chris would willingly take the deferral if he knew exactly what it meant. Heilberg has already been working on his own without much input from Chris, he probably got him to sign off on it by saying something vague like "I got a trick that will keep you out of prison and get the case dropped". I am open to any other reason he would take the deferral, because this explanation does mean a pretty reputable lawyer did some underhanded tactics.

 

[AnOminous]

I am open to any other reason he would take the deferral, because this explanation does mean a pretty reputable lawyer did some underhanded tactics.

I seriously doubt Heilberg did anything unethical. It's entirely possible he disclosed everything and Chris in his tard mind interpreted it in some insane way, though.

 

[draggs]

I don't see many ways Chris would willingly take the deferral if he knew exactly what it meant. Heilberg has already been working on his own without much input from Chris, he probably got him to sign off on it by saying something vague like "I got a trick that will keep you out of prison and get the case dropped". I am open to any other reason he would take the deferral, because this explanation does mean a pretty reputable lawyer did some underhanded tactics.

Grounz? You're speculating and showing why courts of law and the canons of legal ethics do and should have a higher standard than 'this is plausible to me because my shit posting about Chris on a gossip forum has made me berry knowledgeable'

 

[Jon Osterman]

Grounz? You're speculating and showing why courts of law and the canons of legal ethics do and should have a higher standard than 'this is plausible to me because my shit posting about Chris on a gossip forum has made me berry knowledgeable'

The main thing is that there's no way Chris would willingly agree to the deferral if he knew it meant he had to live with his fellow tards for a year and doesn't really clear him of guilt. Something happened where he does not understand his situation, and the first I thought of would be that Heilberg didn't inform Chris on what's going on like he already has been. It is much more likely that Chris is just being an idiot and just agreed to it without understanding what it meant, and I understood from the start that other explanations existed and were more plausible.
As a side note don't act like courts are always fair and ethical, because there have been a variety of very public mistrials.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

probably got him to sign off on it by saying something vague like "I got a trick that will keep you out of prison and get the case dropped".

You do not do something like that and keep your license to practice. Good grief.

 

[Ophelia]

Chris is not the only stubborn moron Heilberg has represented. He knows what he’s doing. Scaring him with realities of prison (without threatening, lying, or going over the top) might be all it takes.

The famous “windows to hell” statement happened a long time ago. Has Chris said anything more recently about other tards? It’s possible he usually can’t tell when someone else is at a similar mental level unless they’re throwing a fit. The prospect of living with other “high functioning” autists might not be the absolute NO we think it is, especially if the alternative is more lockup. He might fancy his life would mostly go on as it did before (ha).

 

[Kyuss]

There is a window where the defense can bypass their client entirely and that's if the lawyer knows for a fact that their client is lying, without a doubt, and is putting forth statements or evidence that clearly is falsified in some manner.
While you are required ethically to defend your client, you also for your own creditability have to nip some things entirely else you make a fool of yourself defending someone who so quickly gets proved false that everyone is just staring at you like you're the jackass. A quick tribunal behind closed doors a very simple conversation of "Look he is a fucking retard, literally. I have nothing to work with to prove him innocent, but endless evidence that he is not the norm for which we judge laws."
I'm sure Heilberg sweating Chris is also a very real possibility. It might be unethical to try and force a retard to make such a determination on his life when he lacks the ability to comprehend himself. However I'm sure Heilberg sleeps perfectly fine with that knowledge. Knowing it was literally the best thing for Chris and more importantly the rest of society as a whole. Rarely does the defense get to go home and have the post nut clarity that they actually did good by their client and hopefully did good by everyone else also.

 

[draggs]

The main thing is that there's no way Chris would willingly agree to the deferral if he knew it meant he had to live with his fellow tards for a year and doesn't really clear him of guilt. Something happened where he does not understand his situation, and the first I thought of would be that Heilberg didn't inform Chris on what's going on like he already has been. It is much more likely that Chris is just being an idiot and just agreed to it without understanding what it meant, and I understood from the start that other explanations existed and were more plausible.
As a side note don't act like courts are always fair and ethical, because there have been a variety of very public mistrials.

I don't care. We are talking about an officer of the court. Most lawyers take that seriously, especially when it's their ass that would be hanging out. You want to say he broke his oath, especially considering his sterling professional record, bring some evidence

Chris hasn't been in contact with anyone for months, you don't know how spoiled defiant hiding in fantasy world CPU goddess Jesus he is or isn't

 

[Jon Osterman]

I don't care. We are talking about an officer of the court. Most lawyers take that seriously, especially when it's their ass that would be hanging out. You want to say he broke his oath, especially considering his sterling professional record, bring some evidence

I directly said in that post that it's much more likely Chris was just being an idiot and didn't understand what the deferral meant, and that Heilberg breaking his oath was just the first thing that came to mind. There are a variety of explanations for why Chris took the deferral, and I am open to any other suggestions you might have because yes, a reputable lawyer doing something like that is unlikely.

Chris hasn't been in contact with anyone for months, you don't know how spoiled defiant hiding in fantasy world CPU goddess Jesus he is or isn't

Why the hell would Chris change his belief that he should be allowed back into 14bc with no charge? He has stubbornly refused to change any of his other beliefs, why this one?

 

[Kyuss]

I don't care.

To be fair Jon did state and I quote "It is much more likely that Chris is just being an idiot and just agreed to it." Which once again while somewhat unethical isn't grounds for barring Heilberg from practicing.
In fact numerous people are in jail right now or various other sentences and didn't truly understand what they were signing. You know how many more incarcerated individuals also claim they didn't understand what the deal on the table was during their appeals process?
I'm not bad mouthing Heilberg, but lawyers do this regularly. Very regularly and there is little accountability as it's a very subjective statement to say "Chris did not understand."
We have evidence regularly that Chris seems to understand and not understand things like a fucking tempest

 

[Kyuss]

I directly said in that post

To be fair Jon did state

hivemind get out of my head Jon

 

[Jon Osterman]

While you are required ethically to defend your client, you also for your own creditability have to nip some things entirely else you make a fool of yourself defending someone who so quickly gets proved false that everyone is just staring at you like you're the jackass. A quick tribunal behind closed doors a very simple conversation of "Look he is a fucking retard, literally. I have nothing to work with to prove him innocent, but endless evidence that he is not the norm for which we judge laws."

As much as people want to say Chris isn't a special case and is just like every other tard, he was somehow deemed fit for trial while not caring in the slightest about legal proceedings and just wanting to go home. Heilberg understood that continuing to defend Chris would have him stuck in a losing case for another year, and somehow got him deferred. How exactly is up for speculation, could be deception, could be a deal with the court or it could be Chris being a moron and not reading what he signed.

Which once again while somewhat unethical isn't grounds for barring Heilberg from practicing.

If he did trick Chris into the deferral, it was most likely by just presenting a document with the info on it and telling him to sign it. Chris, wanting to get back to eating junk food and meditating, signed it without reading a word. Heilberg could then say that Chris had all the relevant information on the deferral, and it was Chris' fault for not reading it.

 

[Kyuss]

could be a deal with the court

I'm inclined to believe this.
While judges are impartial, if the DA and defense both agree on a treatment plan within confines of the law. Judges will usually defer. DA stands to gain nothing from this shit show. It's literally a victimless crime (by definition, not logic) and beyond wasting time of the court/prison/etc. Chris still blatantly needs treatment.
Could literally be that simple, Judge says "You will abide by this plan or you will be in jail."
The extent of needing Chris to agree is lost on me. I see nothing stating Chris has a choice.

Well, other than choosing to not abide by the treatment plan.

 

[Whaler]

As much as people want to say Chris isn't a special case and is just like every other tard, he was somehow deemed fit for trial while not caring in the slightest about legal proceedings and just wanting to go home. Heilberg understood that continuing to defend Chris would have him stuck in a losing case for another year, and somehow got him deferred. How exactly is up for speculation, could be deception, could be a deal with the court or it could be Chris being a moron and not reading what he signed.

If he did trick Chris into the deferral, it was most likely by just presenting a document with the info on it and telling him to sign it. Chris, wanting to get back to eating junk food and meditating, signed it without reading a word. Heilberg could then say that Chris had all the relevant information on the deferral, and it was Chris' fault for not reading it.

The only thing Chris cares more about his delusions is himself. He'd gladly take being in a tard home with some freedom over being locked in a cell with no freedom simply because he'll get to play pretend with his toys again.

 

[Kyuss]

he'll get to play pretend with his toys again.

Chris doesn't get to bring anything in without approval. Only things necessary for his wellbeing (medical CPAP machine for reference) or approved for his treatment.
Hell they could easily define Sonichu as a negative in his life and take away fucking crayons from Chris.
Not sure where the idea is that you get more freedom in inpatient.

 

[Jon Osterman]

The only thing Chris cares more about his delusions is himself. He'd gladly take being in a tard home with some freedom over being locked in a cell with no freedom simply because he'll get to play pretend with his toys again.

There's no way he'd accept what's expected of him in a tard home. as as soon as he gets in he'll start complaining about having a roommate*, and it'll only go downhill from there.
*Although I guess there is the small chance Chris always wanted a roommate (he did make up Crystal his twin sister), but I doubt he'd want another group home patient as one.

 

[Ophelia]

There's no way he'd accept what's expected of him in a tard home. as as soon as he gets in he'll start complaining about having a roommate*, and it'll only go downhill from there.
*Although I guess there is the small chance Chris always wanted a roommate (he did make up Crystal his twin sister), but I doubt he'd want another group home patient as one.

He wouldn’t want a man roommate. He might not even want a trans woman roommate. And that’s what he’d get.

 

[Beak Thing]

I seriously doubt that. Heilberg is not going to endanger his so far spotless career by committing a disbarrable offense to trick a tard.

Outside of the small number of people on the Internet who know about him, Chris is just some hick retard who got busted for a sex offense.