Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

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I'm just watching with quiet, emotionless "I told you so" about Russians being pushed out of a small country they were trying to bully and now are screaming nuclear threats and attack civilian lifelines like an edgelord.

This is a superpower, last bastion of redpill?

Just admit it. You lost.
 
I'm just watching with quiet, emotionless "I told you so" about Russians being pushed out of a small country they were trying to bully and now are screaming nuclear threats and attack civilian lifelines like an edgelord.

This is a superpower, last bastion of redpill?

Just admit it. You lost.
Did you forsee NATO having to strip their shelves bare of weapon to make this happen?
 
The difference is all of that can be easily replenished by NATO's MIC (and already is).

Russia's equipment losses will take years to replenish and the human losses are irreplaceable and growing by the day.
indeed the MIC is drooling at the prospect of testing better and better weapons. Plus for the NATO side there are millions of possible workarounds to an already big manpower pool even if it would be hurt. Laser-guided, Drone technology vs Iranian suicide RC planes? Give me a break.
 
indeed the MIC is drooling at the prospect of testing better and better weapons. Plus for the NATO side there are millions of possible workarounds to an already big manpower pool even if it would be hurt. Laser-guided, Drone technology vs Iranian suicide RC planes? Give me a break.
The only explanation I can think of behind Russia's decision to start this war is they genuinely believed it would be over in a few days. Take Kyiv and get them to capitulate, and present the world with a fait accompli before anyone could do anything about it.

Terrible miscalculation.
 
The difference is all of that can be easily replenished by NATO's MIC (and already is).

Russia's equipment losses will take years to replenish and the human losses are irreplaceable and growing by the day.


Now, nine months into the war, the West’s fundamental unpreparedness has set off a mad scramble to supply Ukraine with what it needs while also replenishing NATO stockpiles. As both sides burn through weaponry and ammunition at a pace not seen since World War II, the competition to keep arsenals flush has become a critical front that could prove decisive to Ukraine’s effort.

NATO hit a supply brick wall more than a month ago.

Last summer in the Donbas region, the Ukrainians were firing 6,000 to 7,000 artillery rounds each day, a senior NATO official said. The Russians were firing 40,000 to 50,000 rounds per day.

By comparison, the United States produces only 15,000 rounds each month.

Russia was firing more artillery shells in a day than the burgers can produce in 3 months.

Anyway read the whole article. The Jew York Times is a State Department mouthpiece. NATO is stripped bare. Unless the west moves to a war footing and starts converting civilian factories to military use, then the Ukrainians are done.
 
It's short term, a lot of the money actually spent has been appropriations to replenish transferred equipment. Russia can't replenish its material losses on anywhere near the scale of NATO, and they don't have effective combat power to turn the tide in the meantime. No matter what the walls keep closing in the longer this drags on.
 
It's short term, a lot of the money actually spent has been appropriations to replenish transferred equipment. Russia can't replenish its material losses on anywhere near the scale of NATO, and they don't have effective combat power to turn the tide in the meantime. No matter what the walls keep closing in the longer this drags on.

This is more hopium than an actual fact backed by evidence.

Cool story bro.
 
A dime a dozen ex-Navy SEAL with a podcast interviewed a guy providing "humanitarian" aid for Ukraine.

He gives a much less rosy account of what is going on in Ukraine. You can watch the full episode if you want but i'll condense some of the big points he makes. He has done multiple trips to Ukraine and has provided both equipment and training to them.

-Ukrainian tactics from your basic infantryman all the way up to your officers and SOF guys appeared to be stuck in 1991 when the soviet union collapsed.
-Most units are equipped in a very bare bones manner.
-The few units that received "western" training seemingly do well on a tactical level but the command simply doesn't know what else to do with them.
-The foreign legion saw most action in the first few months and not much since, he also believes they're misused.
-Every time they've tried to get equipment through the border large chunks of it would get "lost" and he claims even when they got in ukraine people would actively steal equipment.
-The Ukranian government is absolutely desperate for trained personal to the point they're deployed KORD teams as infantry. (Basically Police SWAT teams)
-According to him Ukraine hasn't really liberated territory as much as Russia would simply leave areas and the Ukranians would then go in afterwards.
-According to him it's because Russia keeps over-extending units then bring them back, and repeating this and also general lack of manpower.
 




NATO hit a supply brick wall more than a month ago.



Russia was firing more artillery shells in a day than the burgers can produce in 3 months.

Anyway read the whole article. The Jew York Times is a State Department mouthpiece. NATO is stripped bare. Unless the west moves to a war footing and starts converting civilian factories to military use, then the Ukrainians are done.
I'm gonna screenshot this post, so I can send it back to you in three months.
 
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NATO is stripped bare.
Most of the artillery Ukraine is firing uses soviet calibres. 152s and 145s. The article conflates the potential scarcity of that ammunition with the lowish production of NATO calibre shells in the US, but given how little NATO-standard artillery Ukraine is using, those US-manufactured shell stockpiles won't be going Ukraine. If they go anywhere, it will be to NATO members who have sent their own soviet-era equipment to Ukraine in exchange for newer NATO standardised equipment. The article is also not differentiating between which systems are showing possible shortages. It's actually pretty useless for information purposes, but that's not a surprise, because journalists are retards who rarely understand their subject matter.

This entire story is based on an analysis by someone called Mark Cancian, who is formerly a lot of things but currently works for a think tank that is closely linked with the "industrial" part of the MIC, and has a vested interest in promoting an increase in government spending on weapons. The link to his analysis is dead, so there's no way to verify his numbers.

Despite your characterisation, this isn't a warning that NATO is stripped bare. This is the MIC lobbying, through connections with journalists, for the government to start buying more of their bombs just in case, backed by some likely made-up numbers and a bunch of wild over-estimations about Russia's manufacturing capacity.
 
NATO is stripped bare. Unless the west moves to a war footing and starts converting civilian factories to military use, then the Ukrainians are done.
We gave all that infrastructure to China. When I questioned the logic behind not being able to produce large quantities of quality steel domestically, I got called racist and was told to leave.
 
We gave all that infrastructure to China. When I questioned the logic behind not being able to produce large quantities of quality steel domestically, I got called racist and was told to leave.
Daily reminder that a country's owners of industrial and civilian economy must be monitored and groomed for national-or-regional loyalty, not too much like North Korea or Russia but just a little.
 
A dime a dozen ex-Navy SEAL with a podcast interviewed a guy providing "humanitarian" aid for Ukraine.

He gives a much less rosy account of what is going on in Ukraine. You can watch the full episode if you want but i'll condense some of the big points he makes. He has done multiple trips to Ukraine and has provided both equipment and training to them.

-Ukrainian tactics from your basic infantryman all the way up to your officers and SOF guys appeared to be stuck in 1991 when the soviet union collapsed.
-Most units are equipped in a very bare bones manner.
-The few units that received "western" training seemingly do well on a tactical level but the command simply doesn't know what else to do with them.
-The foreign legion saw most action in the first few months and not much since, he also believes they're misused.
-Every time they've tried to get equipment through the border large chunks of it would get "lost" and he claims even when they got in ukraine people would actively steal equipment.
-The Ukranian government is absolutely desperate for trained personal to the point they're deployed KORD teams as infantry. (Basically Police SWAT teams)
-According to him Ukraine hasn't really liberated territory as much as Russia would simply leave areas and the Ukranians would then go in afterwards.
-According to him it's because Russia keeps over-extending units then bring them back, and repeating this and also general lack of manpower.

Soviet staff personnel is still the same Soviet staff personnel. Don't expect miracles from these people and they either need to get sacked and replaced by younger officials or adapt to NATO planning and strategy.
 
A dime a dozen ex-Navy SEAL with a podcast interviewed a guy providing "humanitarian" aid for Ukraine.

He gives a much less rosy account of what is going on in Ukraine. You can watch the full episode if you want but i'll condense some of the big points he makes. He has done multiple trips to Ukraine and has provided both equipment and training to them.

-Ukrainian tactics from your basic infantryman all the way up to your officers and SOF guys appeared to be stuck in 1991 when the soviet union collapsed.
-Most units are equipped in a very bare bones manner.
-The few units that received "western" training seemingly do well on a tactical level but the command simply doesn't know what else to do with them.
-The foreign legion saw most action in the first few months and not much since, he also believes they're misused.
-Every time they've tried to get equipment through the border large chunks of it would get "lost" and he claims even when they got in ukraine people would actively steal equipment.
-The Ukranian government is absolutely desperate for trained personal to the point they're deployed KORD teams as infantry. (Basically Police SWAT teams)
-According to him Ukraine hasn't really liberated territory as much as Russia would simply leave areas and the Ukranians would then go in afterwards.
-According to him it's because Russia keeps over-extending units then bring them back, and repeating this and also general lack of manpower.
I've listened to two other podcasts much earlier on featuring American vets who went over there in the beginning and this lines up with what they said. Of course this is just a guess on my part but I don't think the US training has really stuck nor can it really work in Ukraine as it currently is. Not that that's a major folly of Ukraine, I don't think most countries can emulate US infantry doctrine without an already-compatible culture in their military.
 
Anyway read the whole article. The Jew York Times is a State Department mouthpiece. NATO is stripped bare. Unless the west moves to a war footing and starts converting civilian factories to military use, then the Ukrainians are done.

The US military is designed to fight wars in two theaters at once. They will be fine with long term stockpiles and manufacturing. Manufacturing is already ramping up, and in a month or two from now, "the west is out of weapons" will be just another failed vatnigger cope (along with the current "Ukrainians will all freeze to death" cope)
 
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The only explanation I can think of behind Russia's decision to start this war is they genuinely believed it would be over in a few days. Take Kyiv and get them to capitulate, and present the world with a fait accompli before anyone could do anything about it.

Terrible miscalculation.
Russia probably realized that the West had spend nearly a decade arming and training Ukraine and weren't ever going to stop (and were going to get Ukraine to join NATO) and realized that the longer they waited - the worse it was going to be in the long run and best to just go in with what they had.
 
Russia probably realized that the West had spend nearly a decade arming and training Ukraine and weren't ever going to stop (and were going to get Ukraine to join NATO) and realized that the longer they waited - the worse it was going to be in the long run and best to just go in with what they had.
But that makes no sense...what threat does NATO objectively pose towards Russia? At no time in the past 30 years have any Western or NATO-allied nations done anything to harm the country whatsoever. They have roughly 142 million people and control the largest territory of any nation in Eurasia.
 
But that makes no sense...what threat does NATO objectively pose towards Russia? At no time in the past 30 years have any Western or NATO-allied nations done anything to harm the country whatsoever. They have roughly 142 million people and control the largest territory of any nation in Eurasia.
It would give NATO (and as an almost direct proxy, America) the further ability to build bases/armament/anything they wanted directly on the Russian border. It's almost a direct inverse of the Cuban Missile Crisis. NATO (previously) only had members totaling up 6% of Russia's Borders. Scooping up Ukraine would be a massive gain in that area (and then the could realistically work on Finland and other Russia Border countries). Think (if you're American) how you'd feel about Russia making an alliance with Mexico/Canada/Cuba/some other really close by place.
 
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