Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Beak Thing]

It would give NATO (and as an almost direct proxy, America) the further ability to build bases/armament/anything they wanted directly on the Russian border. It's almost a direct inverse of the Cuban Missile Crisis. NATO (previously) only had members totaling up 6% of Russia's Borders. Scooping up Ukraine would be a massive gain in that area (and then the could realistically work on Finland and other Russia Border countries). Think (if you're American) how you'd feel about Russia making an alliance with Mexico/Canada/Cuba/some other really close by place.

But who cares? If Russia isn't up to things that the international community has a problem with, what's the issue with Ukraine as member of NATO?

 

[Hell on Earth]

But who cares? If Russia isn't up to things that the international community has a problem with, what's the issue with Ukraine as member of NATO?

Ukraine would just be a permanent hostile state in Russia's frontier and Russia would just keep invading non-stop to stop Ukraine from joining NATO, simple as. Which is why Russia will most likely announce more mobilization waves next year

 

[Beak Thing]

Ukraine would just be a permanent hostile state in Russia's frontier and Russia would just keep invading non-stop to stop Ukraine from joining NATO, simple as. Which is why Russia will most likely announce more mobilization waves next year

Hostile against what? I just don't see what threat NATO poses towards Russia even if a member state is on their border.

 

[Hell on Earth]

Hostile against what? I just don't see what threat NATO poses towards Russia even if a member state is on their border.

That member state will never make peace with Russia and would just beg NATO to bomb the Russians.

 

[Beak Thing]

That member state will never make peace with Russia and would just beg NATO to bomb the Russians.

And why is that?

 

[RobotDog]

Those unsustainable ruZZIan missiles and drone attacks barely making a dent on glorious Ukranian energy grid
Someone should tell Putler they already ran our of missiles 8 month ago, it looks like its armed forces are not aware of that

 

[Mepsi Pax]

Hostile against what? I just don't see what threat NATO poses towards Russia even if a member state is on their border.

Holy shit dude don't you have anything better to do

Certainly someone who posts as much as you do couldn't be this clueless

Hurr Durr why do country not like each other? How is conflict formed? Do way instain geopolitics

 

[Beak Thing]

Holy shit dude don't you have anything better to do

Certainly someone who posts as much as you do couldn't be this clueless

Hurr Durr why do country not like each other? How is conflict formed? Do way instain geopolitics

Educate me, I'd be happy to hear your interpretation.

 

[Hell on Earth]

And why is that?

Because :

A) Russia would just invade again.

B) The Russians would harden it's defenses in Donbass and the combat around the densely urbanized Donetsk would be incredibly difficult and would result in horrific casualties for Ukraine since hundreds of thousands would be engaged in urban warfare and trench combat.

 

[Beak Thing]

Because :

A) Russia would just invade again.

B) The Russians would harden it's defenses in Donbass and the combat around the densely urbanized Donetsk would be incredibly difficult and would result in horrific casualties for Ukraine since hundreds of thousands would be engaged in urban warfare and trench combat.

I think all of this will be resolved to a satisfactory extent during the current war. 100,000 Russian men and counting.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

The only explanation I can think of behind Russia's decision to start this war is they genuinely believed it would be over in a few days. Take Kyiv and get them to capitulate, and present the world with a fait accompli before anyone could do anything about it.

Terrible miscalculation.

Given past experiences, it was a reasonable roll of the dice

 

[Hell on Earth]

I think all of this will be resolved to a satisfactory extent during the current war. 100,000 Russian men and counting.

Think again, Russia won't stop defending or attacking the Donbass/other Oblasts and they certainly won't stop bombarding cities and leaving Ukraine without electricity.

You're delusional if you think this war will have a satisfactory conclusion.

 

[Beak Thing]

Given past experiences, it was a reasonable roll of the dice

What a spectacular fuckup it's been since then though.

 

[Beak Thing]

Think again, Russia won't stop defending or attacking the Donbass/other Oblasts and they certainly won't stop bombarding cities and leaving Ukraine without electricity.

You're delusional if you think this war will have a satisfactory conclusion.

It will have a satisfactory conclusion, the old fart Soviet simps like Putin will be gone and Russia will have a chance at a batter future.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

The US military is designed to fight wars in two theaters at once. They will be fine with long term stockpiles and manufacturing. Manufacturing is already ramping up, and in a month or two from now, "the west is out of weapons" will be just another failed vatnigger cope (along with the current "Ukrainians will all freeze to death" cope)

Moscow by christmas right???

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

What a spectacular fuckup it's been since then though.

Certainly it has. Like a glider landing in a field of telephone poles

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Moscow by christmas right???

Well Moscow did announce that it wasn’t gonna have major Holiday Celebrations due to budgetary constraints caused by the war in Ukraine.

 

[Hell on Earth]

It will have a satisfactory conclusion, the old fart Soviet simps like Putin will be gone and Russia will have a chance at a batter future.

Yeah, everyone will also live in the land of milk and honey, get real, Putin will still be in power, Russia can't become a democracy unless it's a western puppet state (like your dear Holholistan but if the Russians win then it will just become a Russian puppet state)

 

[borsabil]

It will have a satisfactory conclusion, the old fart Soviet simps like Putin will be gone and Russia will have a chance at a batter future.

We can only pray that one day Russia will be safe for drag queen story hours, puberty blockers on demand and (most importantly) where any honest Jewish businessman can buy up blue chip hard assets for pennies on the dollar.

Most of the artillery Ukraine is firing uses soviet calibres. 152s and 145s. The article conflates the potential scarcity of that ammunition with the lowish production of NATO calibre shells in the US, but given how little NATO-standard artillery Ukraine is using, those US-manufactured shell stockpiles won't be going Ukraine. If they go anywhere, it will be to NATO members who have sent their own soviet-era equipment to Ukraine in exchange for newer NATO standardised equipment. The article is also not differentiating between which systems are showing possible shortages. It's actually pretty useless for information purposes, but that's not a surprise, because journalists are retards who rarely understand their subject matter.

This entire story is based on an analysis by someone called Mark Cancian, who is formerly a lot of things but currently works for a think tank that is closely linked with the "industrial" part of the MIC, and has a vested interest in promoting an increase in government spending on weapons. The link to his analysis is dead, so there's no way to verify his numbers.

Despite your characterisation, this isn't a warning that NATO is stripped bare. This is the MIC lobbying, through connections with journalists, for the government to start buying more of their bombs just in case, backed by some likely made-up numbers and a bunch of wild over-estimations about Russia's manufacturing capacity.

Doesn't matter who wrote it, it was published in the NYT so would be fully vetted and approved by the State Department prior to publication.

The rest of your argument is senseless. Yes the Ukrainians have been receiving NATO artillery pieces and rounds, this has been well documented, including the complaints that the stuff they're getting while technically superior to the old Warsaw Pact munitions is also very fragile and needs constant servicing.

Russia is not going to run out of anything. Read the piece, they've been firing up to 50K rounds per day, the equivalent of an entire year's worth of US production in less than a week. They've been doing this non stop for months! How? Because the stuff they're making is far less sophisticated, way way cheaper and Russia has abundant natural resources to keep the churn going. Russia means to win this war by simple logistics, if the west is to respond they should be moving into a partial war footing themselves. What western country is commandeering civilian manufacturers and re-tooling them to support the Ukie war effort? Oh yes that's right, not a single fucking one.

I'll make a prediction. This war is going to keep on grinding until one side or the other loses the logistical battle. I don't think that side is going to be Russia.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

We gave all that infrastructure to China. When I questioned the logic behind not being able to produce large quantities of quality steel domestically, I got called racist and was told to leave.

Between that and Biden emptying the strategic oil reserve, it's a serious question if we have the physical ability to move to a war footing. And that's even before you answer the question of "where the hell are we going to get enough straight, sane, non-deathfat MEN in any kind of hurry"

Not even the hard-right neocons want their kids in the military after his debacle in evacuating Afghanistan and firing tens of thousands for refusing the clot shot. That leaves...what major groups, exactly, that the US armed forces can draw on?