Money Barb Sued by Discover Bank

[Baobinga]

The big issue would be the concept of doing an acceptable amount of work over an acceptable amount of time. One constant with Chris is that he believes his obligations are fulfilled by him doing something. What that something is doesn't matter, all that matters is that he took any amount of time to do something that wasn't for himself.
He's been brought up to believe minimum effort yields maximum reward, and if that doesn't happen it's your fault for not playing your part.

But I feel intimidation would play a big part here, if he was absolutely obligated to be employed, and his employer was exceptionally stern, I could see chris listening and getting shit done. He would be bitching and moaning to his online following the entire time, but in time it would possibly fade. I mean, chris is pushing 40 soon, id hope by then his mental development would have gone past the age of 10.

 

[timtommy]

Consider how readily Chris labels not getting whatever he wants as autism/lesbian/tranny/whatever discrimination and starts fanning the flames as much as he can. An employer who saw even a glimpse of that on the horizon would find a way to say "the position has already been filled".

Edit: does t.r.a.n.s. really autofilter to "tranny"? Is that really called for?

He does do that, but isn't it mostly with whiny facebook posts? Is he the sort to make a big stink about something to his supervisor?

But I feel intimidation would play a big part here, if he was absolutely obligated to be employed, and his employer was exceptionally stern, I could see chris listening and getting shit done. He would be bitching and moaning to his online following the entire time, but in time it would possibly fade. I mean, chris is pushing 40 soon, id hope by then his mental development would have gone past the age of 10.

Chris is perfectly capable of wrapping his mind around the concept of something that has to be done. In order to get a job, he needs to get it into his head that getting and holding a job is something that has to be done. And than get it into his head what he needs to do and not do to hold the job.

But he has never thought he needed a job. When he looks at the tradeoff between having a little bit more money versus not having to deal with the effort, stress, and bullshit that comes from having a job, he chooses not to work. At times he seems to have a vision of himself at some cushy "office job" in the distant future distant future, but he has never really wanted a job immediately.

 

[Tubular Monkey]

It doesn't benefit any employer to hire Chris. He is a liability in every way. Nobody wants him getting his goopy fingers on everything.

 

[slimac55]

He does do that, but isn't it mostly with whiny facebook posts? Is he the sort to make a big stink about something to his supervisor?

Ask Mary Lee Walsh. Besides, complaining about your boss or workplace publicly (e.g. on Facebook) wouldn't be condoned by most workplaces.

 

[Anchuent Christory]

But I feel intimidation would play a big part here, if he was absolutely obligated to be employed, and his employer was exceptionally stern, I could see chris listening and getting shit done. He would be bitching and moaning to his online following the entire time, but in time it would possibly fade. I mean, chris is pushing 40 soon, id hope by then his mental development would have gone past the age of 10.

Yeah, you could get Chris to work, but the question is, is it worth it?
Is it worth the disproportional amount of effort an employer would have to make to get him to be productive?

 

[ObeseScreamingBlackMan]

I think Chris' only chance at gainful employment is a job where

a) His necessary tasks are simple.

b) He has no contact with the general public.

c) The workplace is safe enough where his stupidity can't create too much trouble.

Retail and food service (btdt anyway) are out.

I'm honestly not sure what he could do.

 

[Katolate]

There's a lot of jobs suitable for people with even worse autism than Chris, such as:

Janitor
Store restocker
Library helper
Factory assembly worker
Copy shop helper
Warehouse helper (grunt work)
Landscaper
Data entry specialist
Office helper
Other small jobs with little need for communication

The problem is, Chris will never do any of that unless there's somebody constantly watching him to keep him from getting distracted, or goofing off, or setting the whole place ablaze, and that's only if Chris ever feels like leaving his womb-like room for 8 hours a day to do any work.

We already know what happens when you keep him away from his toys, games and TV shows, now imagine having to explain to him he will have to do that 6 days a week for 30 or so years: he will simply have none of that.

 

[JFKdestroyer]

I think Chris' only chance at gainful employment is a job where

a) His necessary tasks are simple.

b) He has no contact with the general public.

c) The workplace is safe enough where his stupidity can't create too much trouble.

Retail and food service (btdt anyway) are out.

I'm honestly not sure what he could do.

I don't know how close any are to Ruckersville, but working at a laundry service (the type that hotels and such contract out to) could work out for him. It doesn't get much simpler than that and you have zero interaction with the actual clients. You wash the linens and run them through machinery and send them off. The only way he could screw up is by doing nothing at all.

 

[CWCissey]

I don't know how close any are to Ruckersville, but working at a laundry service (the type that hotels and such contract out to) could work out for him. It doesn't get much simpler than that and you have zero interaction with the actual clients. You wash the linens and run them through machinery and send them off. The only way he could screw up is by doing nothing at all.

Which is exactly what he'll do.

 

[GV 998]

Since we're on the topic of Chris, jobs, and SSDI, any idea how much that tugboat is? I figure if it's big enough to at least cover for basic expenses plus some vidya and Legos here and there, Chris will live off of that indefinitely (barring extreme situations like the house fire).

Eh I'm not so sure. When Barb dies it will be his only source of income. Don't forget Chris probably has a lot of credit card debt racked up. I don't know if 14BLC is paid off or if there is still a mortgage, but for the sake of argument, let's say it is. There's still several expenses he has to deal with (property tax, water, electric, putting gas in his car, food, etc)

Now let's say the tugboat is $1,000 a month. It may be more than that, but I seriously doubt it's significantly more than that. That's $12k a year. That's probably not enough to survive on just bare essentials Meaning if he only uses his car to drive to get groceries and nothing else. Maybe it might be, but if so, Chris would truly have to live like a hermit, going with bare essentials

Chris isn't willing to do that. He needs to buy his games and his Legos.

Which means he will be forced to accept reality and grow up REALLY quick or he is going to royally fuck himself, financially speaking, and won't realize it until it's far too late.

 

[TOOTBLAN]

I believe there was a window between June 2006 (graduation) and November 2007 in which he could have gotten a computing job. I also came to the realization that he squandered pretty close to the last 10 years of his life.

 

[DragoonSierra]

Yeah, you could get Chris to work, but the question is, is it worth it?
Is it worth the disproportional amount of effort an employer would have to make to get him to be productive?

For the goverment? yes

Eh I'm not so sure. When Barb dies it will be his only source of income. Don't forget Chris probably has a lot of credit card debt racked up. I don't know if 14BLC is paid off or if there is still a mortgage, but for the sake of argument, let's say it is. There's still several expenses he has to deal with (property tax, water, electric, putting gas in his car, food, etc)

Now let's say the tugboat is $1,000 a month. It may be more than that, but I seriously doubt it's significantly more than that. That's $12k a year. That's probably not enough to survive on just bare essentials Meaning if he only uses his car to drive to get groceries and nothing else. Maybe it might be, but if so, Chris would truly have to live like a hermit, going with bare essentials

Chris isn't willing to do that. He needs to buy his games and his Legos.

Which means he will be forced to accept reality and grow up REALLY quick or he is going to royally fuck himself, financially speaking, and won't realize it until it's far too late.

His tugboat is $1300 a month

 

[timtommy]

I think Chris' only chance at gainful employment is a job where

a) His necessary tasks are simple.

b) He has no contact with the general public.

c) The workplace is safe enough where his stupidity can't create too much trouble.

Retail and food service (btdt anyway) are out.

I'm honestly not sure what he could do.

I am with you 100% for a). c) is valid, although I think the number of workplaces where Chris would be a real hazard is fairly small. I don't know if I agree with b). He would struggle with a job which was explicitly customer service, but I don't think he needs to be kept away from them completely. For example, if he did stocking or janitorial stuff in a store, I think he would be perfectly capable of having shoppers mill around him while he worked and answering the occassional question about where something was.

Ask Mary Lee Walsh. Besides, complaining about your boss or workplace publicly (e.g. on Facebook) wouldn't be condoned by most workplaces.

True enough, although he would probably cleverly rearrange the letters in his supervisor's name. He couldn't get in trouble as long as he did that, could he?

The problem is, Chris will never do any of that unless there's somebody constantly watching him to keep him from getting distracted, or goofing off, or setting the whole place ablaze, and that's only if Chris ever feels like leaving his womb-like room for 8 hours a day to do any work.

We already know what happens when you keep him away from his toys, games and TV shows, now imagine having to explain to him he will have to do that 6 days a week for 30 or so years: he will simply have none of that.

I think there are two issues there that need to be seperated. Chris being too lazy and incompetent that he gets fired, and Chris being lazy so he finds work a hassle and quits or doesn't do it.

I think he could figure out low level work enough to hold a job, eventually. He might get fired pretty quickly from his first job, a la Wendy's. But the level of work ethic needed to do a lot of low-end jobs isn't particularly high. He might get there.

But the real question is whether he wants it. Low end work sucks for anyone. Chris has an even stronger aversion to it than most. And because he has the tugboat to live on and a roof over his head at 14 BLC he doesn't need to work as badly as most people do. But things could change in a way that makes him conclude he needs a job, and the unpleasantness that comes with it is an unavoidable trolling that life has given him. I am not predicting this change to come, I just think that if we try to look forward years into the future anything could happen.

 

[DragoonSierra]

I am with you 100% for a). c) is valid, although I think the number of workplaces where Chris would be a real hazard is fairly small. I don't know if I agree with b). He would struggle with a job which was explicitly customer service, but I don't think he needs to be kept away from them completely. For example, if he did stocking or janitorial stuff in a store, I think he would be perfectly capable of having shoppers mill around him while he worked and answering the occassional question about where something was.



True enough, although he would probably cleverly rearrange the letters in his supervisor's name. He couldn't get in trouble as long as he did that, could he?



I think there are two issues there that need to be seperated. Chris being too lazy and incompetent that he gets fired, and Chris being lazy so he finds work a hassle and quits or doesn't do it.

I think he could figure out low level work enough to hold a job, eventually. He might get fired pretty quickly from his first job, a la Wendy's. But the level of work ethic needed to do a lot of low-end jobs isn't particularly high. He might get there.

But the real question is whether he wants it. Low end work sucks for anyone. Chris has an even stronger aversion to it than most. And because he has the tugboat to live on and a roof over his head at 14 BLC he doesn't need to work as badly as most people do. But things could change in a way that makes him conclude he needs a job, and the unpleasantness that comes with it is an unavoidable trolling that life has given him. I am not predicting this change to come, I just think that if we try to look forward years into the future anything could happen.

Its not going to happen until one of two things occur: Barb dies, or the debt collectors show up or take him to court. The first one is likely to happen before the other even if his spending since his PS4 acquisition has balooned.

 

[Katolate]

It's not going to happen period.

Chris thinks of himself as too good to have to work like everyone else, and of course he will never want to work with other disabled people like him.

Even if his mom dies and he's buried under piles of bills and debts he still will try to find a (non existent) way to weasle his way out from getting a job, or if a social worker even manages to get him one, Chris will try to sabotage it to get himself fired so he could go back to his daily routine of endless meals, endless games and endless hours of being lazy in bed.

Isn't as if he isn't mentally suited to work, the problem is he doesn't WANT to work, period.

 

[Marvin]

It's not going to happen period.

Chris thinks of himself as too good to have to work like everyone else, and of course he will never want to work with other disabled people like him.

Even if his mom dies and he's buried under piles of bills and debts he still will try to find a (non existent) way to weasle his way out from getting a job, or if a social worker even manages to get him one, Chris will try to sabotage it to get himself fired so he could go back to his daily routine of endless meals, endless games and endless hours of being lazy in bed.

Isn't as if he isn't mentally suited to work, the problem is he doesn't WANT to work, period.

Indeed, Chris doesn't want to work.

But you vastly overestimate Chris' stubbornness. Chris is a giant coward who can't handle the tiniest bit of discomfort. For most things, Chris folds very easily. You can bully Chris into almost anything.

 

[Damocles_Sword]

Chris is pretty much unemployable. Have women in the workplace? Hello sexual harassment suit. Job requires anything other than sitting down in front of the computer? It's a herculean task of backbreaking labor. Job at a disabled friendly place? "All those windows into hell give me prickly-wicklies."Job as a video game tester. "Damn these evil Hex Bawks games."

 

[Trilby]

Even if his mom dies and he's buried under piles of bills and debts he still will try to find a (non existent) way to weasle his way out from getting a job, or if a social worker even manages to get him one, Chris will try to sabotage it to get himself fired so he could go back to his daily routine of endless meals, endless games and endless hours of being lazy in bed.

Isn't as if he isn't mentally suited to work, the problem is he doesn't WANT to work, period.

So basically, Chris wants to be a vegetable.

 

[Katolate]

So basically, Chris wants to be a vegetable.

Chris got used to get his free money every month for food, Legos and games while everyone else takes care of him.

I don't see him ever willing to break that cozy routine no matter how deep in debt he is or how loud someone tells him to move and start working.

Remember, this is the same Chris who "needed" several days to recover from the stress of shoveling show from his front yard, so i don't see him at all being willing to do any grunt work like stocking shelves or cleaning floors, etc.

 

[MG 620]

Chris should start his own youtube channel.

"The Adventures of New Christine"