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[talk talk talk]

It's not that complicated. All these urbanists who insist their shitholes are safe on Twitter and who blame you driving cars for high gas prices are Communists. They want to outlaw and cultutrally genocide rural communities via car bans because they're Communists. They suck up to the WEF and ESG because- say it with me, they're Communists. They want anyone free to be subjugated or killed because how dare us exist.

They deserve a thread, fuck anyone who says otherwise. These retards, unlike internet neonazis we also laugh at, actually do irrepadable harm to the world, because all their ideological allies hold absolute power over everything, and they want us dead too.

Remember that it all starts with weirdo internet communities.

They're not even communists. These are communists



These are fuckcars posters

 

[Markass the Worst]

Unfortunately, that is a common thing that these types believe; if you ever hear them talk about Land-Value Taxes or Georgism, what they're actually talking about is an ideology that tries to justify stealing other people's land because you don't like how they're using it.

Oh god, Georgism seems to be peddled more often these days as a Magical Solution To End The Housing Crisis. No surprise they overlap with many of the fuckcars type people.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

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You dang dirty Americans and your *checks notes* not letting me go topless in public and saunter into roadways drunk! You're basically a bunch of fascists, abloobloobloo.

Whatever Euroslave, least I can turn my thermostat as high as I want without getting fined for it. And while we're on the topic of shit I can do as an American that you can't, the Holocaust didn't happen and refugees are disgusting turds.

Visiting foreign countries is like being a guest at someone's house. Don't overstay your welcome and don't be a nuisance. These people are like Ralph, and behave badly enough that they need to be asked to leave or get their ass kicked.

There's arguing that suburban development is unsustainable and unnatural and that America has let its rail system - once robust and the envy of the world - collapse in on itself, and then there's arguing that we should all reject a crucial part of peoples' lives and all live in an urban environment. Ridiculous and preposterous.

Enh...even the "suburban development is unsustainable" isn't really an argument. Most of those arguments are built on faulty logic, and they always forget that after a while the suburbs will "become" the city. The two common most arguments is the Strong Towns "ACKSHUALLY the urban areas subsidize the suburbs" (which has faulty logic and not universally true) and the older "BUT WHAT IF HIGH GAS PRICES" which never takes into account how fucked the urbanites are (food and heating prices).

Both the $500 billion and the $1000/sq ft figures are made up. That sounds like Manhattan prices, not city-wide. Most of these free "spots" are unmarked and on very low traffic roads lined by single family houses. They're implying that leaving empty space and not building something is a subsidy to car owners. Unfortunately, that is a common thing that these types believe; if you ever hear them talk about Land-Value Taxes or Georgism, what they're actually talking about is an ideology that tries to justify stealing other people's land because you don't like how they're using it.

I've heard the "free parking/wide roads takes value off of tax rolls" but that isn't really an argument because these things work together.

You see this all the time in retail--upper management looks to "cut overhead" by cutting benefits, staffing, services, or quality, and end up causing far more damage to the company than if they had just left it alone. Not to mention about how free street parking, like Central Park, is a public good. Could you imagine the backlash if someone suggested that Central Park should be with an admission? I mean, 47 million visitors annually is a lot of money on the table...

 

[Lobster Cult High Priest]

Oh god, Georgism seems to be peddled more often these days as a Magical Solution To End The Housing Crisis. No surprise they overlap with many of the fuckcars type people.

Why do they call it Georgism?

 

[quaawaa]

Why do they call it Georgism?

A guy named Henry George came up with it.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

Oh god, Georgism seems to be peddled more often these days as a Magical Solution To End The Housing Crisis. No surprise they overlap with many of the fuckcars type people.

The big problem with the "If we just add housing to parking lots" way of thinking is that cities have all sort of bullshit, permits, and corruption that will inflate the price of everything. One doesn't need to look much farther than the L.A. tiny home experiment, with about 40 64-square feet shelters that took $5.2 million to set up. The article says that the slabs were poured for $250k, which divided by 40*64...$100 for a square foot slab! And given that's about $6 in materials, obviously Juan and Pedro who were pouring it weren't given $50+ per square foot of slab in labor costs...the level of graft makes Riverside, California's price for the homes (over $17k a pop, well over twice the cost of the original cost) look efficient.

Putting it in the hands of private developers isn't much better, as there are all sorts of permits and rules like "X units per Y total units must be affordable housing" drives up the base cost even more.

This is why when it comes to development, they always resort to "mess around with the tax code" rather than "drive the corrupt politicians out of town and strip away a bunch of permits", because that might suggest that the market doesn't want ultra-dense housing popping up in every section of unused land.

 

[quaawaa]

Time for the monthly Cape Coral hate post:


Florida is the only state that has high speed rail outside of the Acela Corridor:

They literally know nothing about anything they talk about.

They really hate Florida:




They have a new slur:

How dare residents of Cape Coral have their own boats! They should be like the Venetians and have to take water buses:

We must discourage water transportation in favor of bikes:

If they'd designed the city on a human scale like Monaco, then they'd have kayaks instead of large yachts:


(Most houses in Cape Coral can't dock a large yacht due to bridge, and water frontage/canal width/depth)

Apparently Cape Coral is full of rednecks driving coal-rolling lifted F-250s speedboats with triple outboard motors who run over the poor cyclists paddle boaters:

Every house has a dock for a boat they aren't allowed to use:

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[DeadwastePrime]

we have venice at home
venice at home:

 

[Markass the Worst]

Time for the monthly Cape Coral hate post:
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Florida is the only state that has high speed rail outside of the Acela Corridor:
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They literally know nothing about anything they talk about.

They really hate Florida:
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They have a new slur:
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How dare residents of Cape Coral have their own boats! They should be like the Venetians and have to take water buses:
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We must discourage water transportation in favor of bikes:
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If they'd designed the city on a human scale like Monaco, then they'd have kayaks instead of large yachts:
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(Most houses in Cape Coral can't dock a large yacht due to bridge, and water frontage/canal width/depth)

Apparently Cape Coral is full of rednecks driving coal-rolling lifted F-250s speedboats with triple outboard motors who run over the poor cyclists paddle boaters:
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Every house has a dock for a boat they aren't allowed to use:
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Wendover Productions recently made a video about Florida including Cape Coral, I'm guessing this latest batch of retardation is from that. Seeing urbanist discourse about boats of all fucking things borders on parody but you know these people are 100% serious.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

I don't think Venice was built as a bunch of buildings basically floating on water. Its history dates back thousands of years and its a well-known fact that part of the problem is land subsidence. Even CNN's "expert" they brought in admitted that a good part of it was "poor infrastructure and mismanagement". And of course, all these ultra-dense European cities were once hotspots of crime, filth, and disease in these quarters.

Plus, Venice is actually a much larger on the city on the coast, the "city of canals" portion is a tiny island measuring less than two miles in area and guess what--since the 1950s the population in the "historic center" has plummeted from an all-time high of 170k to just about 50k today. The overall area population still rises, of course. Amusingly, the "mainland" Venice is a city of regular streets, detached buildings, and the occasional hypermarket...so maybe using Venice as a shining example of how "Europe kept its cities intact!!" is not a good idea.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Something that makes life easier for one of those dang dirty carbrains? REEEEEEE.

To their slightest credit, the comments on this one are fairly split. Still, the "you need to shovel that snow yourself lazybones" crowd is out in force. Their parents made them shovel the snow so by golly that's what you have to do too! These people are literally morphing into Calvin's dad before my eyes.

 

[quaawaa]

I don't think Venice was built as a bunch of buildings basically floating on water. Its history dates back thousands of years and its a well-known fact that part of the problem is land subsidence. Even CNN's "expert" they brought in admitted that a good part of it was "poor infrastructure and mismanagement". And of course, all these ultra-dense European cities were once hotspots of crime, filth, and disease in these quarters.

Plus, Venice is actually a much larger on the city on the coast, the "city of canals" portion is a tiny island measuring less than two miles in area and guess what--since the 1950s the population in the "historic center" has plummeted from an all-time high of 170k to just about 50k today. The overall area population still rises, of course. Amusingly, the "mainland" Venice is a city of regular streets, detached buildings, and the occasional hypermarket...so maybe using Venice as a shining example of how "Europe kept its cities intact!!" is not a good idea.

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/r/fuckcars believes that living in a house like this:

or in a condo like this:

in a neighborhood where your half your streets look like this:

is worse than living here:


Also, Cape Coral has a restaurant themed after a 1930's Ford Garage:

I've love to see the urbanists' reaction to that place.

 

[Montalbane]

I will drag a fuckcar user through the streets of the shittiest italian small town I can find.
Then drag him on foot from said small town to the nearest decently sized town.
Its the only way to make then understand why cars are useful.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Also, Cape Coral has a restaurant themed after a 1930's Ford Garage:
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I've love to see the urbanists' reaction to that place.

Probably reeeeee and then run to some antifa subreddit to try and get the car nazis firebombed.

Also, Isn't Texas investing into passenger rail now too? I heard there's a high speed corridor project between Houston and DFW with a projected opening in 2026. They'll pretend it doesn't exist because Texas is full of inbred drumpf cultists carbrains

 

[Idiot Asshole]

I don't think Venice was built as a bunch of buildings basically floating on water. Its history dates back thousands of years and its a well-known fact that part of the problem is land subsidence. Even CNN's "expert" they brought in admitted that a good part of it was "poor infrastructure and mismanagement". And of course, all these ultra-dense European cities were once hotspots of crime, filth, and disease in these quarters.

Plus, Venice is actually a much larger on the city on the coast, the "city of canals" portion is a tiny island measuring less than two miles in area and guess what--since the 1950s the population in the "historic center" has plummeted from an all-time high of 170k to just about 50k today. The overall area population still rises, of course. Amusingly, the "mainland" Venice is a city of regular streets, detached buildings, and the occasional hypermarket...so maybe using Venice as a shining example of how "Europe kept its cities intact!!" is not a good idea.

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Hell you don't even have to point to the mainland, the island of Lido right next door - unlike its famous neighbor - has plenty of cars despite being a thin strip less than 8 miles long:





It's almost like Venice only subsists as a tourism-driven novelty and shouldn't be used as an example for what the average city should look like.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

It's almost like Venice only subsists as a tourism-driven novelty and shouldn't be used as an example for what the average city should look like.

B-but Disneyland can handle large crowds of people just fine! Why don't we use monorail systems for everything?!

 

[RabiesTheRedneck]

The Tyre Extinguishers have been active again. Let's see what /r/fuckcars has to say about it:
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More support for destroying people's means of transportation:
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I hope these cocksuckers flip my car. This is why leftoids want to ban guns. They literally GIVE YOU legal reasons to waste them.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

It's almost like Venice only subsists as a tourism-driven novelty and shouldn't be used as an example for what the average city should look like.

And even still it can't hold the weight they apply - there's a fee to be there in the first place
It'd be funny if they eveentually literally made it italian disneyland - nothing but attractions and shopping, maybe a hotel, bunch of airbnbs, and nothing a local would touch

Venice Will Soon Have a Tourist Fee for Day-trippers — What to Know If You're Visiting

Day-trippers will have to sign up online the day they plan to visit and pay a fee ranging from 3 euros to 10 euros per person.

www.travelandleisure.com

 

[Xarpho's Return]

B-but Disneyland can handle large crowds of people just fine! Why don't we use monorail systems for everything?!

Disneyland and college campuses are both held up as "muh car-free/reduced world" but both of those are relatively small dots in a functional city around them, and you'd have to be blind (even as an insulated college student) to not notice the swirling vortex of traffic around it, getting unbearable at rush hours, not to mention the truck traffic that both require. And both have huge lots and parking garages.

If they truly want a car-free area without garages or road infrastructure, I've got some fishing villages in Louisiana and Alaska to show them.

 

[Markass the Worst]

I just realized it's funny they tout walkable cities as places where you never have to wait in traffic (doubtful but taking it for sake of argument) and Disneyland as a model walkable "city", when you still have to wait in the lines at Disneyland. And those wait times get extremely long in no small part due to what is arguably Disneyland's congestion pricing, FastPass (good video on the problems with FastPass here).