Artcow WogglebugLoveProductions / Cynthia Hanson / Cherie Anne Hapney - One Womanchild's Fruitless Quest to Make Her Cockroach Husbando a Household Name

[gummy]

I will work on my books, but I will continue with my movies also and I will just stick with my 3D animation I do myself with IClone. I don't need you to critic my script. Like you all said, you're not my critics. So you shouldn't act like you want you to be such to me. I don't need you for an audience, either.

Books, movies... Just how many projects are you undertaking? How do you plan to pay for this and recoup your money? Also, who is your target audience exactly?

 

[Picklechu]

I would rather that you not do it for me at all. And the fact it is I have every perfect right in the world of fairness to decide to deny you all the right to watch my "magnum opus" and sell the DVDs in the way I said I would for a long while at least.

I'm afraid @Whiskey Foxtrot has reminded me (if not the rest of you) of the reasons why I felt the need to make this decision to begin with. Once again I am sorry I posted here again.

@Sonnikku and @Bugaboo In consideration of what I said above, and how expensive so many animators are turning out to be, I feel I'd rather just stick with the IClone 3D animation I've always used and just keep working hard at it as always. I love it too much to ever give it up completely besides.

@HickoryDickory Well, I'll have you know the coverage reader did not say anything like what the lot of you have been saying to me in pages past at all. You never read the actual script after all. And as I said this was a trained reader and he or she was polite, you were correct on that. I realize they have to be polite as they are being paid, but I think the reason they have their jobs they do is because they can be polite and professional. I was invited to fill out a WeScreenplay.com survey to have a $5 off discount on my next coverage with them (and their will be a next one, yes) after all and was able to give the reader's coverage a good rating even if they gave the script a "Pass." I was only distraught for a few seconds and then resolved to talk to @voiceguy about it and sent him the coverage and me and him are now collaborating on a rewrite of the script from beginning to end.

Ultimately I am in charge of all my decisions for my franchise and films.

Is the Wogglebug into butt stuff? He looks like he'd be into butt stuff.

 

[HickoryDickory]

I will work on my books, but I will continue with my movies also and I will just stick with my 3D animation I do myself with IClone. I don't need you to critic my script. Like you all said, you're not my critics. So you shouldn't act like you want you to be such to me. I don't need you for an audience, either.

It's all words, Cynthia. Actually accomplish something, then you can be haughty .

 

[Rabbit Bones]

Why do you keep posting here if you're not interested in anything we have to say?

 

[For The Internet]

I will work on my books, but I will also continue with my movies. I will just stick with my 3D animation I do myself with IClone. I don't need you to critique my script. Like you all said, you're not my critics. Therefore, you shouldn't act like you want you to be such to me. I don't need you for an audience either.

Fixed that for you, for free. If you're going to be a writer you'll have to work on your language skills. You try to be verbose and you just end up using poor grammar and misusing words.

 

[MasterDisaster]

Well, I was rather expecting for one of you to go to my website to see my latest update. But (sigh) here is the update I posted there:

I've decided to start all over again with these updates. Because now there are going to be some major changes. I received my first major screenplay coverage report from WeScreenplay.com yesterday and the rating they gave overall was a "Pass." I was not surprised by this as their website states that 95% of the scripts they review receive a "Pass" and 4% a "Consider" and only 1% a "Recommend." Still the issues they addressed in the script concerning plot and character were still issues I was concerned about all along and which was why I sent the script into them. Then after I showed the coverage report to Richard Poshard he and I agreed that we would use it as we collaborate together on a rewrite of the entire script from beginning to end. We decided we will try our best to get it from being a "Pass" to a "Consider" or even a "Recommend."

I've also been interviewing various professional animators of 3D and 2D animation. I received many quotes from many applicants ranging in many different countries including the United States, India, New Zealand, Argentina, and Nepal. I've narrowed them down to a handful to choose from. But for the moment basically all of them are too expensive for me to at all easily afford to start work with right away. Even the 2D animation (which always costs less than 3D) is still too expensive. I am hoping something may work out though because most of the animators I've narrowed my choices down to are excellent and talented and I'm beginning to prefer 2D over 3D, especially after viewing this 30 second example that Inspire Animations did for me:

I am hoping to be able to hire this animation company from India. Though they will charge me $200 per minute of animation and this will mean a 10 minute short film alone will cost me $2,000. Which I would need a successful Indiegogo campaign for. I sincerely hope something will work out eventually.

That is some seriously shit animation. It's not even 'animated' but rather solid, no line shapes being manipulated to give the impression. They even reversed it just to end it. There are starving artists here in the US and you're willing to drop 200$ a minute for some lazy hack to use flash poorly? That piss poor music choice should have been the first indication of the waste of money this will be for you.

 

[Roast Chicken]

I don't need you to critic my script. Like you all said, you're not my critics. So you shouldn't act like you want you to be such to me. I don't need you for an audience, either.

THEN WHY ARE YOU HERE?

 

[ActualKiwi]

Fixed that for you, for free. If you're going to be a writer you'll have to work on your language skills. You try to be verbose and you just end up using poor grammar and misusing words.

Her mis-use of grammar and vocabulary made me cringe..She's like one of those kids who's read old fiction and decides that's the best way to speak/write..

 

[Helvetica Scenario]

You don't get to choose your audience, Cynthia, or dictate how they react to your work. No, you don't, no matter how often you insist you're going to make anybody who dares show the slightest bit of interest in your stories declare the Wogglebug to be their lord and savior first. There are fifteen -year-old girls on fanfiction.net who've got their heads round this. If you genuinely can't handle the fact that not everyone is going to love what you do and some of them may be so impolite as to tell you, you need to keep it off the Internet. Since you seem hellbent on keeping the Wogglebug all to yourself, and insist nobody else could possibly relate to the character as deeply and genuinely as you, it hardly seems likely you'd react at all well to an active fanbase in all that implies either. Quite honestly, it's probably for the best that you do.

 

[He Sets Me On Fire]

Alright. Okay. That's it.

WBL, I'm done passively watching. I've sent a couple of nice PMs, but I've read as much as I can stomach. There are plenty of people here who have genuinely tried to reach out to you, to help you, and to wish you well. I actually can't come close to offering the hope and assistance that they can, so I'm just going to go ahead and be insensitively honest. I hope everyone will forgive me if I'm covering points already made, which, given the person we're discussing, seems kind of inevitable. Here goes:

Cynthia, you're never going to make it. Ever. You and your projects are never going to experience any kind of satisfying success.

Wanna know why? I'll tell you.

You talk about this Wogglebug project as if it's a franchise. It is not. It is not a franchise, and you are not a content provider. You are one of thousands of people on the Internet who fancy themselves as visionary creators, when in fact, they're nothing of the sort. Take a look around this site. It's crawling with the names of adult children who think of themselves as a modern Stan Lee, or Walt Disney, or Stephen King. The truth is that not only are these people not the geniuses they compare themselves to, they aren't even welcome among fan sites for their lack of creativity and poor behavior.

You fit solidly into the same category as CWC, David Gonterman, Jon Sweet, et al. You don't have half the talent you think you possess, and don't provide anything any audience would really want to see. You act like an over-sensitive toddler when someone criticizes your attitude. You keep looking for cheats to make your ideas successful, instead of actually working on your craft. You've considered spending thousands of dollars on a production no one wants to see. Getting someone to animate your script for you won't make it better. Sending it to a script consulting service won't make it better. Hard work, devotion to craft, and taking good advice might make it better, but that requires you to admit that you need help, i.e. humility.

You keep lamenting that you continue to return here. You know why you do, Cynthia? It's because no one else will talk to you. No one else will show the patience that these people have in listening to you, genuinely trying to help you. You won't listen to them, however, because all you're looking for is a Golden Ticket, some magical, invisible path to success that requires little work on your part. Once everyone gets fed up with your unreasonable, unrealistic, childish attitude (and who can blame them?), you run off "forever," only to come back again, apparently comfortable with the idea that their long-suffering patience and good will will still be there when you come back.

Some of these folks are really decent and will continue to interact with you. They're better people than I am, because, frankly, you're not a very nice person. You are rude. People offer you help, and you slap their hands away with callous remarks.

If these folks got sick of your silly melodrama and turned a deaf ear to what you have to say, the only people who would listen to you would be those you paid (although voiceguy seems like a decent fellow, no offense to him). You'd be alone, with no one to give you any advice at all.

You are in charge of your "franchise," that's true. You need not play the victim either, no one's going to take it from you. Nobody cares to. You've shepherded this thing for years, and you've clearly gotten nowhere with it. Which is why you keep coming back here to discuss it.

To be honest, I've already written too much. Again, I'm sure most of it's already been stated much better by others here. You probably won't read it, since it doesn't offer any answers other than work on your craft and listen. If you do, you're likely to take a line out of context and go off on that, as if it undoes my points. You're trying to take a fantasy lifestyle and make it real, instead of dropping the delusion and working hard to attain a reasonable goal. If anything, I'm just wasting my time, but I felt I had to comment. And frankly, HickoryDickory already put it far better (and shorter) than I can:

It's all words, Cynthia. Actually accomplish something, then you can be haughty .

 

[Whiskey Foxtrot]

I'm afraid @Whiskey Foxtrot has reminded me (if not the rest of you) of the reasons why I felt the need to make this decision to begin with. Once again I am sorry I posted here again.

For real, though, if you're not ready for some dipshit to overlay Patti LaBelle over your work, you're not ready for the reality of being in charge of the kind of franchise you want. You can't shield yourself from criticism/pisstaking in such a tyrannical manner and make money at the same time -- you won't even recoup what you invested in it, let alone make a profit.

And that's some terrible animation for $200 a minute, I recommend you find someone else or do it yourself, because you're getting scalped for that quality.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

(I don't know what "tweening" is, not being an animator, but the 2D sample is in no way worth what the provider is charging. At some point in that sample, the shoes ought to have rotated to face the camera. Nope! They stayed sideways. Even if he is a bug, if he's capable of wearing shoes, I consider his feet humanoid enough to move normally.)

HSMOF is not wrong, Cynthia. I have attempted to hook you up with free research, including my very own sister who has kids in the target age range. (Sadly, she was unable to help much, having gotten stuck caring for a dying relative -- until Saturday night; we're fine, thanks -- but we did discuss your project.) I am also a user of this site, and yet you lump me, and everyone who has tried to be genuinely helpful, into the same category: evil, probably theists, trying to take control away from you. That is rubbish. We even welcomed one of your overpaid contractors onto our site (or underpaid, given how much script doctoring @voiceguy actually puts in). I really don't understand why you value things you throw money at (e.g. market research) over the identical advice given freely. Much like love, there are some things that sadly cannot be bought, and words of kind advice are not always av available, especially when you tell us -- as if we were that ex-friend against whom you wanted revenge -- that nobody on this site will ever see your movie, and members of the public will have to take an ideology test for the privilege. You are already planning, in other words, to make a movie basically for yourself.

There are some jerks on this site, no doubt about it. @HickoryDickory isn't one, HSMOF isn't one -- there are plenty of non-assholes on this site, and in this thread. But every so often you have a massive mood swing and lump us all together as evil, and it's getting a little bit hard to take.

 

[ComaGirlPower]

This monstrosity is turning into one hell of an expensive hug box.

 

[ActualKiwi]

(I don't know what "tweening" is, not being an animator, but the 2D sample is in no way worth what the provider is charging. At some point in that sample, the shoes ought to have rotated to face the camera. Nope! They stayed sideways. Even if he is a bug, if he's capable of wearing shoes, I consider his feet humanoid enough to move normally.)

HSMOF is not wrong, Cynthia. I have attempted to hook you up with free research, including my very own sister who has kids in the target age range. (Sadly, she was unable to help much, having gotten stuck caring for a dying relative -- until Saturday night; we're fine, thanks -- but we did discuss your project.) I am also a user of this site, and yet you lump me, and everyone who has tried to be genuinely helpful, into the same category: evil, probably theists, trying to take control away from you. That is rubbish. We even welcomed one of your overpaid contractors onto our site (or underpaid, given how much script doctoring @voiceguy actually puts in). I really don't understand why you value things you throw money at (e.g. market research) over the identical advice given freely. Much like love, there are some things that sadly cannot be bought, and words of kind advice are not always av available, especially when you tell us -- as if we were that ex-friend against whom you wanted revenge -- that nobody on this site will ever see your movie, and members of the public will have to take an ideology test for the privilege. You are already planning, in other words, to make a movie basically for yourself.

There are some jerks on this site, no doubt about it. @HickoryDickory isn't one, HSMOF isn't one -- there are plenty of non-assholes on this site, and in this thread. But every so often you have a massive mood swing and lump us all together as evil, and it's getting a little bit hard to take.

Simple explanation of tweening (the name comes from "between" I believe)- Make a shape in key frame 1, in key frame 2, move shape to desired position. Flash will basically handle the transition be"tween" the two frames, giving the appearance of smooth movement. In this case they've just made a series of connected shapes in the form of the hideous bug, and 'tweened its various parts to make it look like it's dancing, with probably a premade background of theirs. Not difficult.

 

[Trombonista]

At this point, Cynthia should just make a movie about this guy:

She'd have more of an audience.

 

[For The Internet]

She won't take anyone's advice, but that was a mighty effort @He Sets Me On Fire.

Cynthia sometimes begrudgingly accepts that someone has a point, as long as that point is given as gently as possible. If you are blunt (which she perceives as hostility) she will smugly disregard your advice even if it's completely valid. The majority of the time she is sure that you are wrong and she knows better.

She has taken some extremely basic advice from people here, but even though many Kiwis have professional experience in the areas she's trying to break into she refuses any (completely free) offers of help because we are apparently not her desired audience and so she doesn't want our opinions, advice or work. She claims she's improved when it comes to taking advice, but she only listens to who she wants - and usually they're people she has paid.

So many of us have tried giving honest advice, even professional advice. Many of us have reached out to her privately and tried being polite. Every single one of us has failed. Our words are rendered invalid because we gave them on kiwi farms. If she'd paid us to read her script and we'd told her the exact same things, she might actually take it in. Eventually everyone loses patience because she is so consistently rude and ungrateful for the genuine help people here try to give her.

It's hard to hear criticism of something so dear to you. It's harder still to hear it from people who aren't going out of their way to be polite. That doesn't render that criticism invalid. Blunt truths are difficult to hear but putting your hands over your ears and saying 'I can't hear you' won't get you those lucrative Wogglebux.

 

[HickoryDickory]

Simple explanation of tweening (the name comes from "between" I believe)- Make a shape in key frame 1, in key frame 2, move shape to desired position. Flash will basically handle the transition be"tween" the two frames, giving the appearance of smooth movement. In this case they've just made a series of connected shapes in the form of the hideous bug, and 'tweened its various parts to make it look like it's dancing, with probably a premade background of theirs. Not difficult.

Tbh, Cynthia would be better off working on her storybooks and adding a flipbook image in the corner like some older books did. It definitely would be "animated" better than what that guy pooped out in flash.

One of her storybook artists did the same thing by taking the same pieces and repositioning them to make "new" scenes. Idk how much Cynthia was overcharged for that amount of lassitude either. I kind of doubt she knows the difference.

 

[Picklechu]

If she'd paid us to read her script and we'd told her the exact same things, she might actually take it in.

So what you're saying is that we should charge Cynthia.

 

[Roast Chicken]

I hope someone else picks up the Wogglebug and actually succeeds in taking the character out of obscurity, making him a regular feature in future Oz stories. Cynthia's inevitable rage would be amusing.

 

[AnOminous]

I hope someone else picks up the Wogglebug and actually succeeds in taking the character out of obscurity, making him a regular feature in future Oz stories. Cynthia's inevitable rage would be amusing.

They should make the Wogglebug a villainous pedophile who gets killed.