Patrick Sean Tomlinson / @stealthygeek / "Torque Wheeler" / @RealAutomanic / Kempesh / Padawan v2.5 - "Conservative" sci-fi author with TDS, armed "drunk with anger management issues" and terminated parental rights, actual tough guy, obese, paid Quasi, paid thousands to be repeatedly unbanned from Twitter

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Save the Loli said:
The judge ruled on it and said SFWA's lawyers were able to quash the motion because of lack of relevance so Quasi had to pay them $5,000. I'm not sure if he appealed it or not.
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Sorry but this is incorrect. The quash was upheld, but no attorneys fees were awarded. Quasi did however add his fees as "collection costs" on top of Patrick's judgement, as he has a right to do.
 
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If memory serves, Quasi can collect at any point; he's just waiting for the amount to reach $40k or so.

First thing to know about bankruptcy: it is not a "Get out of jail free" card for the debtor. The debts will be paid in one way or another. Patrick doesn't know this, and he wouldn't care either way.

There are two kinds of personal bankruptcy here in Burgerland: Chapter 7 and Chapter 13 (named after specific parts of the US bankruptcy code.) Chapter 13 is where you admit to being unable to pay off the debt right away, but agree to pay it off over a period of 3-5 years. Since he'll probably see this as giving his atalkters the win, Patrick will likely go for Chapter 7: his debts will be paid by selling some of his assets.

Here's Chapter 7 bankruptcy won't allow Quasi to take:
  • Pat's house
  • One of Pat's cars
  • Pat's clothes
  • Whatever Pat needs for his line of work. This one will be interesting, as Pat claims to be a writer, but supposedly sells insurance on the side. It'll be illuminating to see which one sustains his income.
  • Pat's food. Yes, this includes his pepperoni stash.
Beyond that, everything else is fair game. This includes money in his bank account, personal effects, collected toys, any extra cars or motorcycles, books, furniture, and so on. As long as the amount does not exceed whatever Quasi chooses to collect on (e.g. $40,000), Quasi can take it. This doesn't mean the fart couch will rest in Quasi's attic; the couch, and all other assets, will be liquidated to pay Patrick's debt. (My opinion: this is where the Pests should stay out; if they get into a bidding war for Patrick's stuff, they could artificially drive up the value of his crap, meaning Quasi can't liquidate more than we'd like him to.)

Since Patrick is too stupid to figure out how to vanish, and too addicted to give up social media, he'll be forced to pay. When that day comes, Dan can make himself useful and upload videos of Quasi's debt collectors taking what is owed.

Tick tock, Patrick.

(Legal Kiwis can feel free to correct me if I got anything wrong)
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Holy hell I hope they pick the most juiced up convict or alternatively frank hassle to get fatricks shit I can Hear it in my head "No child you can't have that baby doll", "No child I require that for work stalker" to "NOOOOOO NOOOO YOU FUCKING INBRED THATS MINE SHUT YOUR MOOOUUTTHH" :tomlinson:
 
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Holy hell I hope they pick the most juiced up convict or alternatively frank hassle to get fatricks shit I can Hear it in my head "No child you can't have that baby doll", "No child I require that for work stalker" to "NOOOOOO NOOOO YOU FUCKING INBRED THATS MINE SHUT YOUR MOOOUUTTHH" :tomlinson:
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I hope they pick Nikki's gentlemen callers.
 
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Mark my words, Patrick is going to release the full book days before Christmas, and everyone will be able to tell the last few chapters were rushed. It will flop because everyone already had their cozy holiday stories picked out by then and the Kiwifarms will win again.
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Rushed doesn't enter into it. With the level of writing ability on display in that excerpt of his draft, he could spend ten years on it and all he'd have is more garbage.

If anything a rushed version might read more like something a human might think or say, which would be a massive improvement. In the best case it would leave more opportunity for an editor to rewrite it, which I'm sure we can all agree is the only way anything worth reading could end up with Fatrick's name on it.
 
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It cracks me up how all the "twitter is doomed" and "I'm leaving twitter" types that became super vocal once Elon took over are still just constantly tweeting like nothing ever happened. Patrick may be the prime example of this.

Obligatory: Patrick is fat I really hate Patrick because I'm very fatphobic and Patrick is fat.
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It's the same compulsion that makes them scream they'll move to Canada (not Mexico, mind you) if [Insert Designated Badman Here] wins an election. They never do it. It's a small child screaming because he can't have more ice cream.
 
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Anybody hoping for a dramatic "strip fatty down to his house, a shitty car and the clothes on his back" result from a bankruptcy proceeding is setting themselves up for disappointment.

If anything, the court would just dismiss the case (denying the bankruptcy entirely) if he really only lists his debt to Quasi. It's been pointed out already that's not nearly enough debt to justify either an organized repayment (Chapter 13) or liquidation (Chapter 7) given his income, and if it's true that spouses are on the hook too in bankruptcy proceedings there, the spouse's income counts too.

If it didn't get tossed out after a cursory glance by a judge who's actually paying attention for once, he'll breeze through Chapter 7 just fine with nary a bead of sweat (apart from his usual sweat stains). After all, if a judge doesn't care enough to look at it once to toss it out up front, why would anyone expect him to give a shit when it comes up for a hearing? We may be rooting for Quasi here but to the judge and bankruptcy trustees he's just another creditor. For all the noise Quasi's lawyers may make about it, $40k ain't all that much in the grand scheme of things and is pocket change to some of the debts people walk away from with ease in bankruptcy court.

Remember, DSP's creditors literally had people submitting verifiable, credible evidence to them of DSP's deliberate intention to commit fraud (by racking up debts and then filing for bankruptcy to erase them with no intention of every repaying any of what he was borrowing) and even that didn't cause so much as a hiccup in the proceedings. They didn't even grill DSP particularly hard during the single hearing he had to attend. Instead they just rubber-stamped it and sent him on his way.

There's no doubt this will be personally embarrassing to Fatrick but we're not going to be seeing juicy footage of grungy liquidators stomping through his house taking his Funko Pops and Hugo Award nomination rejection letters to sell to pay Quasi.
 
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Anybody hoping for a dramatic "strip fatty down to his house, a shitty car and the clothes on his back" result from a bankruptcy proceeding is setting themselves up for disappointment.

If anything, the court would just dismiss the case (denying the bankruptcy entirely) if he really only lists his debt to Quasi. It's been pointed out already that's not nearly enough debt to justify either an organized repayment (Chapter 13) or liquidation (Chapter 7) given his income, and if it's true that spouses are on the hook too in bankruptcy proceedings there, the spouse's income counts too.

If it didn't get tossed out after a cursory glance by a judge who's actually paying attention for once, he'll breeze through Chapter 7 just fine with nary a bead of sweat (apart from his usual sweat stains). After all, if a judge doesn't care enough to look at it once to toss it out up front, why would anyone expect him to give a shit when it comes up for a hearing? We may be rooting for Quasi here but to the judge and bankruptcy trustees he's just another creditor. For all the noise Quasi's lawyers may make about it, $40k ain't all that much in the grand scheme of things and is pocket change to some of the debts people walk away from with ease in bankruptcy court.

Remember, DSP's creditors literally had people submitting verifiable, credible evidence to them of DSP's deliberate intention to commit fraud (by racking up debts and then filing for bankruptcy to erase them with no intention of every repaying any of what he was borrowing) and even that didn't cause so much as a hiccup in the proceedings. They didn't even grill DSP particularly hard during the single hearing he had to attend. Instead they just rubber-stamped it and sent him on his way.

There's no doubt this will be personally embarrassing to Fatrick but we're not going to be seeing juicy footage of grungy liquidators stomping through his house taking his Funko Pops and Hugo Award nomination rejection letters to sell to pay Quasi.
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There is a big difference between DSP's creditors and Fat's creditors, however. DSP owed money to credit card companies and such. Trolls wanted him to pay, but the companies had no personal investment. To the companies, his relatively small debt wasn't a big deal, because they are constantly dealing with people who owe them money and refuse to pay.

Fat's creditor IS the troll. Quasi is personally invested in getting him to pay. As far as we know, Fat's debt is the only one Quasi has to collect on, so he can focus all of his attention and emotional capital on that one, and Quasi isn't able to write off $40,000 the way a credit card company can.

And if the judge refuses to grant Fat the bankruptcy the debt doesn't simply go away, Quasi will be able to enlist the local sheriffs in seizing property to pay off the amount owed.
 
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Fat's creditor IS the troll. Quasi is personally invested in getting him to pay. As far as we know, Fat's debt is the only one Quasi has to collect on, so he can focus all of his attention and emotional capital on that one, and Quasi isn't able to write off $40,000 the way a credit card company can.
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Conversely, there's only so much noise one creditor can make to try to coax a trustee (or judge) to actually wake up and pay attention. To them, he's just another creditor.

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And if the judge refuses to grant Fat the bankruptcy the debt doesn't simply go away, Quasi will be able to enlist the local sheriffs in seizing property to pay off the amount owed.
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True. Why hasn't Quasi already done this? He doesn't need to wait for a failed bankruptcy attempt to start that ball rolling. Granted, filing for bankruptcy immediately stays all collection litigation and related activity, but really the only thing waiting does for Quasi is stack up more interest onto the debt that -- at this moment -- is entirely "uncapitalized gains."
 
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