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Three Major Traits That Might Help Spot an 'Incel': Study​

Researchers have identified three characteristics that might predict a future "incel."

According to a study published this month in The Journal of Sexual Medicine, incels share the traits of depression, paranoia and a fearful attachment style.

Incels, or involuntary celibates, comprise an online subculture of men who feel unable to secure romantic or sexual relationships with women.

"Incel individuals share a general sense of failure, feel outcasted by society and excluded by relationships, and have strong feelings of rage towards their condition and other people, women in particular," Drs. Giacomo Ciocca and Lilybeth Fontanesi told Newsweek.

The Italian researchers studied 777 men through a series of questionnaires, investigating their demographic information, depression and anxiety levels, attachment styles, and paranoia symptoms. They determined that depressive-anxious symptoms, paranoid thinking and a fearful attachment style are pivotal to the development of an incel.

On the other hand, a secure attachment style can protect someone from becoming an incel, they said.

Self-described incels have repeatedly perpetrated mass violence in the United States. This year, a Secret Service report warned that incels pose a growing national threat.

Elliot Rodger, who killed six people at the University of California, Santa Barbara in 2014, left behind a YouTube video raging against women who had rejected him and swearing revenge. He became a hero to misogynistic killers such as Scott Paul Beierle, who likened himself to Rodger before killing two women at a Florida yoga studio in 2018. And in 2020, self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer Roy Den Hollander killed the son of a federal judge. His manifesto said, "Manhood is in serious jeopardy in America."

This month, four University of Idaho students were mysteriously stabbed to death. Although a suspect has not been identified, a forensic psychiatrist told Newsweek the killer could be an incelwho felt rejected by one of the murdered women. Police have said they believe the killings were targeted.

"In our opinion, it is very important to study the psychology and psychopathology of incel males to detect and prevent risk factors for deviant or violent behavior against women," said Ciocca and Fontanesi.

Although their study focused on males, they added that men are not the only individuals at risk of cultivating an incel attitude.

"Our results and the recent literature suggest that incel personality traits may be shared also by young women, defined as 'femcels,' who experience the same feelings of failure, rejection and loneliness," they said.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Again, why the sudden abandonment of personal responsibility? I don't accept "Society made me do it!" from niggers, and I don't accept it from incels.

Even if that's true, none of it works until the person in question steps up and takes the initiative themselves. You can't help people who slap away your help.

To your first point:

You ever wonder why their were slaves? Labor Houses? And the like?

Some people need the guide rails of society to function. These people have always existed. But we can minimize those people who are on the bubble

and to your second point: For most of these people they lack the tools to get help. Because society deprioritizes them for those groups that have more political and social power

 

[urr13 account]

To fix the incel issue, there are four possible solutions they are as follows;

• fix society (good luck lmao)
• legalize prostitution
• encourage men to rape (not an ideal solution)
• Jail all men who don't have sex at least once a week (this would potentially be a large portion of the labor force and tax paying population)

 

[Catler]

The solution to the incel problem is to figure out how to turn them gay, that way they can enjoy each other's company. There's no such thing as a gay incel.

Or we could just offer them all medically assisted death if their lives really are that shit.

Gonna need more decimal places than that for me to go straight for pay. Think about how much it would take for you to go gay for pay.

I think that's much less than most Kiwis would care to admit if they were actually presented with the cash in front of them.

 

[Individualism Incarnate]

Gang and Cartel Violence isnt that big a deal outside of places like Chicago and cities that have gone full leftoid

And where do most of the Empire's collaborators live?

 

[CircuSphere]

We could do a state sponsored reality show that pits virgins against each other for the chance to sleep with the woman of their dreams.

"16 virgins enter, one man leaves! When incels are forced to live together and compete for love one will fuck and the rest will get fucked. This fall on The Beta Uprising."

Literally anything to avoid talking about the actual cause of 60% of America's murders, huh guys?

Hey those are perfectly normal members of our diverse society, this is dey culture, they are loved an accepted by beautiful black goddesses and get laid in between their turf wars, okay!?

I agree with a myriad of reason listed here for the 'incel problem' but you guys have all missed a big one... We are pushing back sexual fulfillment for normal men by as much as a decade past when our monkey brains think this should be occurring. When you are a 24 year old man and you are not getting any (and the scant bits you do pick up are fleeting despite your best efforts) it's deeply psychologically crippling. You're body is screaming at you "overthrow that old silverback and claim your place or die trying because you don't have much time left!" Other men become your enemies, jealously consumes you and all while society is trying to ostracize/demonize you and the nice woman you try to court see you as a pathetic pet crossed with a free meal.

The feminist society's solution to this is screeds about entitlement and phrases like "It will get better" and "be yourself" and honestly it might at like age 30 when women are essentially forced to pair off a decade late but that means years of crippling depression, rage and desperation that a lot are just no going to make it through in one piece. These are not problems that can be fixed with words or ideology, these are real, visceral, monkey problems, which is why troons literally pump themselves full of female hormones just to stop the suffering. An incel bull elephant will wander The Saharah for two weeks with a painful, throbbing, and sometimes dripping erection, desperately searching for any females, call him entited all you want, it won't change his biology. The rage, the jealously all of it is your body trying despirately to motivate you and the incel supresses it with porn and entertainment and lets it fester, he wants to be a nice guy, he wants to play JRPGs and snuggle, he wants to get a sweet homely girl by being a wahman respector and a good feminist... but it doesn't work that way and eventually something has to give.

If you want to trace this back to it's logical conclusion birth control and 'sexual liberation' as well as society's obsession with higher ed and consumerism have turned once normal middle of road people who would be married and reproducing by 20 into forever alone spinsters and incels by changing the timeline for courtship/marriage and family drastically.

 

[Kel1 shi1]

legalize prostitution

It's already legal in some places, if incels had a job they could afford the ticket there and the girl. The issue is actually having a job to pay for that.

 

[urr13 account]

It's already legal in some places, if incels had a job they could afford the ticket there and the girl. The issue is actually having a job to pay for that.

I guess this falls partially under the 'fix society' option then, since the vast majority of the millions of incels are likely employed given that 23-percent of American males between the ages of 18 and 29 are incels, what we really need is a job market where every full-time job covers the total living expenses of a person plus the cost of a weekly trip to Nevada (the only state in the union with legalized prostitution to my knowledge - and even then only certain brothels so extremely limited room).

Or a program to cover the relocation costs of millions of incels into Nevada. Can Nevada handle the states population quadrupling in a matter of weeks? It seems to me it would be easier to legalize it nation wide, even then this seems like it's only a band-aid not addressing the cause of societys ills but, hey, at least it's something.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

The government also has a habit of creating these killers



China is currently trying to push their excess of young men into their military, strengthening their military while killing off the excess men. I'm sure the US would do the same if the military here wasn't more interested in troons.




Young military-age men with nothing to lose are probably the most dangerous class of people in society, and they're created a large amount of them by taking away any incentive/ability for young men to settle down properly.
They attack the young men, tell them they don't matter, they're evil racist sexist blah blah blah incels, to keep them down because ultimately, it's these young men who have a lot of power, but they're kept as docile as possible so they don't use it. Society is literally built on the backs of young men. It's young men who build things, get sent off to die in foreign shitholes to defend others, pay most of the taxes, and take on most of the risk in society. Society shits on young guys, hating them and attacking them, all the while trying to hide the truth: it needs them and could not function without them. If the young men began to realize how important they actually are, they might begin to collectively stand up for themselves and try to change things, and the people who run everything can't have that.
See the 1946 "Battle of Athens" for a good example.

I know I'm ranting here but this bullshit pisses me off. Men out there, you do matter, you are not expendable, you are important no matter what they try to tell you. Just because you can't get some thot to have sex with you doesn't make you worthless.

Young men pay most of the taxes? Color me skeptical they pay more than middle-aged people. But I suppose data can be modeled in many ways.

* note: I'm referring to a particularly actively inceldom-embracing group of men, not the entire group of men seeking and not finding women/not classic lonelyhearts or actual decent men struggling

But it seems you have never had the pleasure of extended conversation with or among self-identified incels. A more miserable, nasty bunch of creatures you'll be hard-pressed to find. They're not put-upon; they're sour and willfully miserable. Misogynistic and ass-backward about cause and effect. Everything is horrible, there is no hope, they are cursed and damned and it's Stacy's and Becky's fault and who wants Becky anyway, she'll just turn into an unfuckable land whale when Chad is done with her. It's either "you have to be a 10 to get a girl" or "guys, you normie 5s and 6s don't understand, try being a sub human 1 or 2 like me, I'll never get anything, I'm going to go eat some worms.". It's fucking weird.

They loathe what they yearn for. Women are disgusting sluts (who won't give them the time of day) and deserve to be used like the sluts they are. But oh, if only they had a bigger browbone and gymmaxxing actually worked for them (but it doesn't bc woe is me I'm genetically scrawny and don't you see the millimeter asymmetry in my face?).

It's an endless, sick circle of self- and other-loathing, and blaming ANYTHING but their shit attitudes and lifeless, obsessive, self-centered personalities.

And a lot of them thrive on keeping everyone down in their muck with them. I saw one guy decide he was going to start approaching/trying to meet girls. His plan was to ask out 100 women. He screwed up his courage and started interacting. And by I dont know, day 30 or something, he'd gotten numbers and had follow-ups, and though nothing had yet panned out, he was undaunted. Now, he seemed uncreepy and his interactions seemed neither PDA playbook (another nasty thing some of the non-black-pillers* go for, the aim being to pick up girls and ultimately abuse them, in effect; there are several subsets of incels - some are dying for a girlfriend, some are desperate for nsa sex, some want revenge on women, some reject any women under a 9 and un-docile, some reject the whole idea of women/ relationships as a whole) nor overly awkward, just normal ways you meet strangers. It was a hard exercise, lots of rejection, but a positive self-help effort. And you would not believe the negativity, skepticism, and "yeah, you must not be as hideous as I am if you can do that" he got from some of his brothers in loneliness. A few were encouraging. Most said he was a sellout and/or was going to fall on his face...or worse yet, have success. God forbid someone bluepill or try to become a normal functioning human or take responsibility for his life.

*black pillers are basically nihilists

It is true that some of them come with some significant challenges in the form of genetics or happenstance (physically, mentally, socially, financially, educationally, intellectually, etc) (do does the rest of the population, duh), but most of their negative experience is 100% their own decision to make themselves as unlikeable and nasty as possible, in many ways - from hygiene to creepy behavior - but mostly in their shit attitude and decision to view and treat everyone else like utterly contemptible shit.

Young men aren't treated like shit by society. No one is trying to keep them down. And if they're racist, they're racist; no one perpetuated that on them (and your comments seem to be impliedly about young white men; there's a relatively large proportion of active incel guys who are Asian, most frequently Indian, and race/ethnicity spans all).

Some people take setbacks or deficits as challenges and have healthy boundaries that keep them from conflating those things with their essential self...and some become consumed by and wholly identified with their own particular array of them, and adopt a never-ending and never-improving cycle of ever more warped and odious thinking. Many self-identified incels fall hard into the latter group. So whether they need to go see someone about their depression or fucked-up attachment style, or to build some self-esteem, or just to touch grass and think or do something nice for once, it's on them to be better people.

 

[Ser Prize]

To fix the incel issue, there are four possible solutions they are as follows;

• fix society (good luck lmao)
• legalize prostitution
• encourage men to rape (not an ideal solution)
• Jail all men who don't have sex at least once a week (this would potentially be a large portion of the labor force and tax paying population)

As someone with trouble dating the 'ole 'legalize prostitution' thing is off mark. A lot of lonely dudes don't just want a nut, they want the whole 'being loved' part of it.

Anyways it's actually rather baffling how prevalent datelessness is among young men. I have a group of male friends and all of us are dateless, even the ones with really good jobs. It seems the dating market is just fundamentally broken now.

The feminist society's solution to this is screeds about entitlement and phrases like "It will get better" and "be yourself" and honestly it might at like age 30 when women are essentially forced to pair off a decade late but that means years of crippling depression, rage and desperation that a lot are just no going to make it through in one piece.

And even then she's had her party hard days in her 20's while she ignored you and now she wants you to be the stable provider for her. I don't know many self respecting men who can see that and go "huh fair deal".

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

"16 virgins enter, one man leaves! When incels are forced to live together and compete for love one will fuck and the rest will get fucked. This fall on The Beta Uprising."


Hey those are perfectly normal members of our diverse society, this is dey culture, they are loved an accepted by beautiful black goddesses and get laid in between their turf wars, okay!?

I agree with a myriad of reason listed here for the 'incel problem' but you guys have all missed a big one... We are pushing back sexual fulfillment for normal men by as much as a decade past when our monkey brains think this should be occurring. When you are a 24 year old man and you are not getting any (and the scant bits you do pick up are fleeting despite your best efforts) it's deeply psychologically crippling. You're body is screaming at you "overthrow that old silverback and claim your place or die trying because you don't have much time left!" Other men become your enemies, jealously consumes you and all while society is trying to ostracize/demonize you and the nice woman you try to court see you as a pathetic pet crossed with a free meal.

The feminist society's solution to this is screeds about entitlement and phrases like "It will get better" and "be yourself" and honestly it might at like age 30 when women are essentially forced to pair off a decade late but that means years of crippling depression, rage and desperation that a lot are just no going to make it through in one piece. These are not problems that can be fixed with words or ideology, these are real, visceral, monkey problems, which is why troons literally pump themselves full of female hormones just to stop the suffering. An incel bull elephant will wander The Saharah for two weeks with a painful, throbbing, and sometimes dripping erection, desperately searching for any females, call him entited all you want, it won't change his biology. The rage, the jealously all of it is your body trying despirately to motivate you and the incel supresses it with porn and entertainment and lets it fester, he wants to be a nice guy, he wants to play JRPGs and snuggle, he wants to get a sweet homely girl by being a wahman respector and a good feminist... but it doesn't work that way and eventually something has to give.

If you want to trace this back to it's logical conclusion birth control and 'sexual liberation' as well as society's obsession with higher ed and consumerism have turned once normal middle of road people who would be married and reproducing by 20 into forever alone spinsters and incels by changing the timeline for courtship/marriage and family drastically.

Interesting. But evolution says adapt or die.

 

[urr13 account]

As someone with trouble dating the 'ole 'legalize prostitution' thing is off mark. A lot of lonely dudes don't just want a nut, they want the whole 'being loved' part of it.

I know, just being a little facetious.

Prostitution doesn't fix shit long-term, and if anything probably causes more damage - Germany is likely just as lonely as the U.S.

 

[Ser Prize]

I'm know, just being a little facetious.

Prostitution doesn't fix shit long-term, and if anything probably causes more damage - Germany is likely just as lonely as the U.S.

Oh I figured. It's just such an old chestnut that comes up when you bring up the loneliness epidemic.

 

[Honka Honka Burning Love]

It seems the dating market is just fundamentally broken now.

This is the big one.

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

And where do most of the Empire's collaborators live?

in suburbs of those cities

 

[Cantercoin]

Yes.

I had this mindset for a short time when I was 20. A lot of incel and blackpill rhetoric you see, I was spouting that trash BEFORE "incel" and "blackpill" was in the common parlance. I bought that cow and it left a stink on my life that took a long time to scrub out even after I got shaken by the lapels by the right person and told to fucking get over myself. I would have more empathy if it weren't for the fact that this fucked up "incel" state all comes down to not having self awareness or refusing to utilize it.

You're still a histonic faggot

 

[Pissmaster]

Anyways it's actually rather baffling how prevalent datelessness is among young men. I have a group of male friends and all of us are dateless, even the ones with really good jobs. It seems the dating market is just fundamentally broken now.

Much like with jobs, it's you vs. algorithms, and the entire rest of the world. And in a society where just going up to someone and starting a conversation starts you in iffy territory, it's all way way way way harder than previous generations had to deal with, because nobody wants an inbox full of scammers and all kinds of dodgy shit. You can't even pick up a random cold call without that being a scam most of the time anymore. And none of this shit's getting regulated whatsoever.

All of these scammers, both in dating and careers, seem to be Indians nowadays, too. I'd like to know how the hell India just started wrecking all of communication worldwide.

 

[Ser Prize]

Much like with jobs, it's you vs. algorithms, and the entire rest of the world. And in a society where just going up to someone and starting a conversation starts you in iffy territory, it's all way way way way harder than previous generations had to deal with, because nobody wants an inbox full of scammers and all kinds of dodgy shit. You can't even pick up a random cold call without that being a scam most of the time anymore. And none of this shit's getting regulated whatsoever.

All of these scammers, both in dating and careers, seem to be Indians nowadays, too. I'd like to know how the hell India just started wrecking all of communication worldwide.

Yeah, that's how it seems. I live in a fairly small town but with modern technology I'm still competing with the whole ass surrounding area, if not the whole province, for a girl's time. And on that scale you're always bound to end up short.

 

[CircuSphere]

Interesting. But evolution says adapt or die.

This isn't evolution at least not in the sense of natural selection, it's artificial selection. It's borderline eugenics. Industrialized mass production of artificial hormones, massive economic and political forces...

Furthermore evolution doesn't occur on the scale of decades and without a steep human cost and the species is probably not well equipped to manage the complete subversion of the bodies own natural processes.

Finally this is really a non argument like 'current year.' It would be calous of me and the optics would be terrible but I could argue "The victims of incel spree shooters should adjust to the new normal and learn to dodge bullets. Evolution says adapt or die." from the same ground.

 

[Wormy]

You ever wonder why their were slaves?

Because it makes things cheap to build when you can do what you want to the labor pool.

For most of these people they lack the tools to get help.

What tools do you actually think they need to get help?

The rage, the jealously all of it is your body trying despirately to motivate you and the incel supresses it with porn and entertainment and lets it fester, he wants to be a nice guy, he wants to play JRPGs and snuggle, he wants to get a sweet homely girl by being a wahman respector and a good feminist... but it doesn't work that way and eventually something has to give.

Want want want want want want want want.
I want a million dollar a year setup, my own mansion, and the ability to kill without consequence, but that's not life, now is it? We don't get most of what we want. We work with what we're given and make the best of a crappy situation that unless you got born into the elite of the elite, you're dealt being in this existence. The bulk of us do so, even those that have bad luck in the dating game, and somehow we don't end up becoming homicidal woman hating NEET crybabies. Funny that.

News flash; LIFE DOES NOT WORK OUT THE WAY YOU WANT IT EVERY TIME.

I'm gonna stay flabbergasted at how entitled KiwiFarmers become with this subject. "WHHAAA, give me a tugboat and a state mandated girlfriend because feminists"

 

[Manwithn0n0men]

Because it makes things cheap to build when you can do what you want to the labor pool.

What tools do you actually think they need to get help?

Slavery was an efficent way to control the masses and keep them from starving

as for what tools they need? Let's start with basic stuff. They lack the fundamental education to see what their problems are