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Three Major Traits That Might Help Spot an 'Incel': Study​

Researchers have identified three characteristics that might predict a future "incel."

According to a study published this month in The Journal of Sexual Medicine, incels share the traits of depression, paranoia and a fearful attachment style.

Incels, or involuntary celibates, comprise an online subculture of men who feel unable to secure romantic or sexual relationships with women.

"Incel individuals share a general sense of failure, feel outcasted by society and excluded by relationships, and have strong feelings of rage towards their condition and other people, women in particular," Drs. Giacomo Ciocca and Lilybeth Fontanesi told Newsweek.

The Italian researchers studied 777 men through a series of questionnaires, investigating their demographic information, depression and anxiety levels, attachment styles, and paranoia symptoms. They determined that depressive-anxious symptoms, paranoid thinking and a fearful attachment style are pivotal to the development of an incel.

On the other hand, a secure attachment style can protect someone from becoming an incel, they said.

Self-described incels have repeatedly perpetrated mass violence in the United States. This year, a Secret Service report warned that incels pose a growing national threat.

Elliot Rodger, who killed six people at the University of California, Santa Barbara in 2014, left behind a YouTube video raging against women who had rejected him and swearing revenge. He became a hero to misogynistic killers such as Scott Paul Beierle, who likened himself to Rodger before killing two women at a Florida yoga studio in 2018. And in 2020, self-described "anti-feminist" lawyer Roy Den Hollander killed the son of a federal judge. His manifesto said, "Manhood is in serious jeopardy in America."

This month, four University of Idaho students were mysteriously stabbed to death. Although a suspect has not been identified, a forensic psychiatrist told Newsweek the killer could be an incelwho felt rejected by one of the murdered women. Police have said they believe the killings were targeted.

"In our opinion, it is very important to study the psychology and psychopathology of incel males to detect and prevent risk factors for deviant or violent behavior against women," said Ciocca and Fontanesi.

Although their study focused on males, they added that men are not the only individuals at risk of cultivating an incel attitude.

"Our results and the recent literature suggest that incel personality traits may be shared also by young women, defined as 'femcels,' who experience the same feelings of failure, rejection and loneliness," they said.

 

[Ser Prize]

"I wish I had access to love and family" isn't entitled.

"I deserve a cartoon-thin wife who will do everything I say and never talk while I play video games and watch anime and also fuck women on the side" is.

Because that was exactly what everyone was saying, and not you projecting at all.

Dude, I've tried approaching fat girls, kinda ugly girls, all that stuff. What on earth gives you the idea that dateless men refuse to date anything below a supermodel?

 

[Wormy]

What on earth gives you the idea that dateless men refuse to date anything below a supermodel?

Reading it on Incel forums and what their standards are.

 

[Dr. Henry Armitage]

hat doesn't really explain anything. This establishment has taken a specific interest in incels, which are by any metric not a major threat.

I may be late but my theory is incels are a safe and easy target. They don't pose any real threat and the people publishing this know it. It's ok to stigmatize and bully a bunch of lonely depressed men because no one cares about them. These people just want to make sure they have something to keep the npcs afraid of. plus they get to bully a bunch of vulnerable men with societies approval.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

For crissakes, you people have been covering Chris-Chan so much that his rhetoric's bled into your heads, backed up into your brains and now it's coming out of your mouth!

@Wormy you keep saying "you people", "KiwiFarmers", etc etc as if you somehow think you're exempt from being considered one of us, which I find confusing given everything I highlighted above.

 

[Wormy]

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@Wormy you keep saying "you people", "KiwiFarmers", etc etc as if you somehow think you're exempt from being considered one of us, which I find confusing given everything I highlighted above.

The True and Honest status was gifted to me, I have no clue who.

And I'm talking about the dominant culture here. Given my social and political views, no, I ain't one of you.

 

[Knight of the Rope]

And I'm talking about the dominant culture here. Given my social and political views, no, I ain't one of you.

By 'here' do you mean A&N specifically? Because most of the other Kiwis on the other boards actually have similar views as yourself (on incels and vaxxstatus, for instance).

Unless you mean 'here' as in the Kiwi Farms in general. In which case, again, I point to the metrics I highlighted in the other post. You sure spend quite a lot of time here.

 

[Wormy]

By 'here' do you mean A&N specifically? Because most of the other Kiwis on the other boards actually have similar views as yourself (on incels and vaxxstatus, for instance).

Unless you mean 'here' as in the Kiwi Farms in general. In which case, again, I point to the metrics I highlighted in the other post. You sure spend quite a lot of time here.

The farms in general, and yes, I do spend quite a lot of time here. I'm fucked up and need abuse from my betters.

 

[Ser Prize]

I may be late but my theory is incels are a safe and easy target. They don't pose any real threat and the people publishing this know it. It's ok to stigmatize and bully a bunch of lonely depressed men because no one cares about them. These people just want to make sure they have something to keep the npcs afraid of. plus they get to bully a bunch of vulnerable men with societies approval.

Kind of fucked up when you think about it. I know Aydin Paladin is a ho but she did a really informative video about the rise of incels and the science behind it. It's really depressing.

 

[Beak Thing]

I'm fucked up and need abuse from my betters.

Well for fuck's sake don't you think you should have punched a little higher?

 

[CircuSphere]

How do you propose doing that? And what do you propose doing in the meantime?

There are countless strategies and the problem is generated from many angles and therefore needs correction from many angles:

1. Remove federal student loans for degrees that are not of dire economic importance. You could still offer them in fields that are seeing labor shortages but we should stop encouraging every 95IQ high school grad to go to college, accumulate debt and spend a decade working it off. This is true for both sexes but it's particularly true for women who often get expensive prestige degrees in highly competitive fields and then never utilize their degrees at all before dropping out of the workforce and marrying in their late twenties anyway.
   
   
2. Cut immigration, take all that welfare and the costs of it's bureaucracy and all the ESL education money, etc. and use it to encourage parenthood via grants and 0 interest home loans a la Hungary. If we are going to spend a ton of money to prop up the future labor force we might as well kill two birds with one stone.
   
   
3. Support education programs that preach a return to monogamous relationships and traditional marriage rather than raw pleasure seeking, political and social lesbianism and a reliance on contraceptives. Likewise such a program should warn about the dangers/unhealthy-ness of being a shut in coomer, although society is pretty good at shaming over this anyway.
   
   
4. Bring back exclusively male spaces and clubs where mentorship and bonding can occur between young males outside of the presences of women. Fraternity (not just in the collegiate sense) is what males need to be healthy and well socialized. Incels tend to take the stated desires of women (and their spokespeople) at face value when trying to be good prospective mates, they tend to see other males as rivals exclusively and they hang out in 'the friend zone' surrounded by women or simply isolate themselves but often they would be far better served by embracing and exuding traditional manliness and these bonds will help keep them from going off the rails.
   
   
5. Facilitate a return of men to the field of primary/HS education. Boys need male role models, male prospectives and to learn male solutions to male problems. We raise boys like defective girls and then wonder why they whine and sulk like little girls when none of the female solutions to their male problems pan out.
   
   
6. Reform divorce/family court so that marriage is not such a risky, potentially ruinous financial death trap and encourage more marriages generally.
   
   
7. You could also restrict abortions to discourage promiscuity and promote traditional/early unions but this would create a lot dramatic forced unions and family court cases and I don't really want to deal with those side effects.

There are a bunch of solutions none of which amount to "Handmaids Tale Forced Mating Distopia" or restrict any freedoms at all and they all have knock on effects that fix other problems.

 

[Pitbull Victim]

Dude, I've tried approaching fat girls, kinda ugly girls, all that stuff. What on earth gives you the idea that dateless men refuse to date anything below a supermodel?

This is interesting to me because my impression was that incels/datelessness primarily had to do with some level of isolation. The majority of relationships, at least among myself and people I know, are between people who spent time together in school, work, or some kind of activity. I know only a handful of people in relationships that arose out of dating apps.

For that reason, I figured incels would primarily be those who had serious mental/physical issues that made dating an extreme uphill battle and those who had a limited pool of people to interact with due to where they lived or their lifestyle.

I would be interested to hear what has been the main problem in your experience.

 

[pikachudidnothingwrong]

Calls something a "national threat" and then only comes up with ~10 actual deaths in over a decade or so..... *facepalm*

Yes, i'm sure THIS will be the thing that brings down western society... this or misgendering.

 

[Ser Prize]

This is interesting to me because my impression was that incels/datelessness primarily had to do with some level of isolation. The majority of relationships, at least among myself and people I know, are between people who spent time together in school, work, or some kind of activity. I know only a handful of people in relationships that arose out of dating apps.

For that reason, I figured incels would primarily be those who had serious mental/physical issues that made dating an extreme uphill battle and those who had a limited pool of people to interact with due to where they lived or their lifestyle.

I would be interested to hear what has been the main problem in your experience.

Well I am relatively isolated in that most of my hobbies are almost exclusively male. But I'm always trawling friends and stuff for available female relatives or friends. I try being proactive, short of just straight up cold approaching women in the street.

It truly is a number's game. I live in a small town(5000ish people) and despite that social media has made it so my competition is more than ever. I know many women who are dating guys from the next city over or even next province over, and even the uglier females are constantly swarmed by offers to date on dating apps.

If a 4/10 gets 100+ dating offers from around the country, including some from Chads who want to get some ass on demand, how can a relatively average man compete? It's fucking impossible.

 

[Alligator Alcatraz]

If you unironically refer to people by a number rating, you are the problem. Maybe incels would get a date if they stopped thinking they can minmax women. You're an asshole, you have a poor personality, and you expect others to like you because "i'm so sad and lonely guys uwu ". No. Fuck off and learn basic decency.

Never forget that an obese man literally fused to his chair had a girlfriend.

Morbidly obese man found fused to chair he sat in for two years DIES in hospital

Rescuers had to cut a hole in a wall of his Ohio house to lift the massive man through after they were unable to pry him from the chair.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Ser Prize]

If you unironically refer to people by a number rating, you are the problem. Maybe incels would get a date if they stopped thinking they can minmax women. You're an asshole, you have a poor personality, and you expect others to like you because "i'm so sad and lonely guys uwu ". No. Fuck off and learn basic decency.

Never forget that an obese man literally fused to his chair had a girlfriend.

Morbidly obese man found fused to chair he sat in for two years DIES in hospital

Rescuers had to cut a hole in a wall of his Ohio house to lift the massive man through after they were unable to pry him from the chair.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I guess some things really do never change, huh?

 

[CircuSphere]

If you unironically refer to people by a number rating, you are the problem. Maybe incels would get a date if they stopped thinking they can minmax women. You're an asshole, you have a poor personality, and you expect others to like you because "i'm so sad and lonely guys uwu ".

This is pure distilled 100 proof hypocrisy punctuated with ad hom. We are all doing sexual calculus. Acting like men are some how vile for comparing women or trying to find their place in the pecking order is the most hypocritical shit. You act like we don't have ears. You act as if women don't imagine what kind of lifestyle they could live the second they see a nice suit or get picked up in a new car. These are just facts of life.

Read Dawkins. Most sexual species on earth compete for and/or carefully select their mate(s). The ones that don't are the types that are vacant/primitive (coral, invertebrates, snakes, bugs) or highly/ritualistically promiscuous like chimps. The most careful choosers of mates are generally pair bonded birds, flamingos do their whole synchronized ballet dance, birds of paradise try to impress with their feathers, Bowerbirds build little art exhibits. We also take great pains in choosing mates and are pair bonded, females compare themselves to each other damn near constantly and absolutely compare men to the male ideal and males do the same in turn. The only difference is that we are judging each other on. Males are judged on status, wealth, stability, physique etc. and this is how men judge other men and women are judged on purity, fertility, beauty, grace etc. and this is how they judge other women.

It's far too complex to go over here and to do justice without re-reading the relevant chapters but there is a whole complicated balancing act between females and females, males and males and females and males, which normally governs sexual behavior but has been broken by modernity. Suffice it to say that every single male ranks the women he meets in his head and this behavior is totally normal. Of course he records other information to consider like their eligibility and the presence of any rivals, he considers the woman's level of interest as he perceives it and their compatibility. Ranking is not everything, ranking without opportunity is pointless (I would like to date 90's Helen Hunt, she is very high on the list but I know that is not in the cards) but it's hardwired into our brains. We are even in tune with each other in this regard, you can watch some Buzzfeed video where 5 guys rank 5 women and reach total consensus with barely any debate.

 

[Pitbull Victim]

Well I am relatively isolated in that most of my hobbies are almost exclusively male. But I'm always trawling friends and stuff for available female relatives or friends. I try being proactive, short of just straight up cold approaching women in the street.

It truly is a number's game. I live in a small town(5000ish people) and despite that social media has made it so my competition is more than ever. I know many women who are dating guys from the next city over or even next province over, and even the uglier females are constantly swarmed by offers to date on dating apps.

If a 4/10 gets 100+ dating offers from around the country, including some from Chads who want to get some ass on demand, how can a relatively average man compete? It's fucking impossible.

Appreciate the info, unfortunately I do think living in such a small town presents a major problem (for comparison, a lot of public state colleges in the US have five times or more that amount of people).

Dating apps are also just awful and create a negative feedback loop. Like you said, women are inundated with messages on them. However, I think overall it's not so much that every woman on there is ditching you for a Chad or someone substantially above average, but more that something as minor as a sub-par first picture is getting you immediately filtered by someone who would otherwise be interested but is clearing out messages at a rapid fire pace because there are so many of them. This is a fundamental problem with dating apps and probably why many of them are heavily marketing themselves now as a place for nomral people to find a permanent relationship.

I think you are doing the right thing in relying on your friends and as soon as you start having weddings of friends to go to, your luck should improve immensely.

 

[Sugriva]

If Patrick Tomlinson can get laid, you can get laid too. Don't give up, friends.

 

[Ser Prize]

Appreciate the info, unfortunately I do think living in such a small town presents a major problem (for comparison, a lot of public state colleges in the US have five times or more that amount of people).

Dating apps are also just awful and create a negative feedback loop. Like you said, women are inundated with messages on them. However, I think overall it's not so much that every woman on there is ditching you for a Chad or someone substantially above average, but more that something as minor as a sub-par first picture is getting you immediately filtered by someone who would otherwise be interested but is clearing out messages at a rapid fire pace because there are so many of them. This is a fundamental problem with dating apps and probably why many of them are heavily marketing themselves now as a place for nomral people to find a permanent relationship.

I think you are doing the right thing in relying on your friends and as soon as you start having weddings of friends to go to, your luck should improve immensely.

Heh, the main issue with that is that most of my friends are single. Not a whole lot of weddings in our circle of geeks.

I'll keep trying, though. I want a family some day.

 

[Poop Shoot]

Some people are simply a chore to be around. Incels think of women as free therapists and its exhausting being someone’s emotional tampon. Of course girls are going to go with someone who makes them feel good instead of a miserable shut in that does nothing but complain about everything,

We try to make them feel better but the truth is that society usually shuts them out for a reason, and that reason being that they’re irritating or annoying to be around.

Relationships are about communication and socializing, so it’s no surprise that men with communication and socialization problems make for awful boyfriends and girls would rather just not bother.