Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny - Using time travel to literally retcon the series

I'm kind of surprised they didn't include a witty female Asian character for the Chinese market. This character could have been Short Round's daughter and, with Disney reusing actors in different IPs, played by that Awkwafina person. Or include Short Round played by the original actor or the guy who is Wong in the MCU.
TheHarbinger said:
The upcoming Aliens show has a female lead.
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To be fair, the Alien franchise has always been female lead but it had the male characters be competent too (at least in the early movies). The series most likely will make all the male characters idiots.
 
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The Nothingness said:
I'm kind of surprised they didn't include a witty, female Asian character for the Chinese market. This character could have been Short Round's granddaughter and, with Disney reusing actors in different IPs, played by that Awkwafina person.

To be fair, the Alien franchise has always been female lead but it had the male characters be competent too (at least in the early movies). The series most likely will make all the male characters idiots.
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They been souring on Asian main leads for quite some time now. I don't recall the last time an Asian actor was shoved to prominence even as a co-protagonist or something like that.
 
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The Nothingness said:
I'm kind of surprised they didn't include a witty, female Asian character for the Chinese market. This character could have been Short Round's granddaughter and, with Disney reusing actors in different IPs, played by that Awkwafina person.

To be fair, the Alien franchise has always been female lead but it had the male characters be competent too (at least in the early movies). The series most likely will make all the male characters idiots.
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Okay. Time for my micro-essay on the character of Ripley and why guys like her but dislike most modern female action leads.

Recall if you can the scene in Aliens where the marines are preparing for their travel to the planet, loading equipment, etc. Ripley walks up to Hicks and Apone and says "I feel like kind of a third wheel around here. Is there anything I can do?" to which Apone responds immediately "I don't know. Is there anything you can do." Ripley pauses for a second or two processing this and then says: "Well, I can drive that loader". They give her a chance to do it, she shows she can and ends with a "where you want it?" as she holds a missile. They laugh, tell her "Bay 12, please".

What just happened in that scene? Ripley wasn't bossy or presuming that she had some right to do something or be part of what was going on. And when she presented herself they did what they would do to any man who presented himself - they challenged her to prove herself. And they are happy when she does.

In short, she becomes part of the group by showing she can play their game. And is welcomed thereafter. Same as a man would be.

A modern action film with a female lead would present their lack of immediate acceptance and challenging her as sexist. And when she met the challenge she would not do so successfully and gain acceptance, she would do so better than them and they would be humiliated.

Ripley is liked because she is a woman who is capable and doesn't demand that men around her act in a non-men way. Most modern action heroines are disliked because they humiliate the men around them and punish them for acting in standard male interaction and demand men behave in a more typically female way.
 
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Kane Lives said:
They been souring on Asian main leads for quite some time now. I don't recall the last time an Asian actor was shoved to prominence even as a co-protagonist or something like that.
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New Quantum Leap is a good reason why. Unless it's kung fu action, nobody really wants to see small asian men in their shows/movies..
 
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Pig Boss said:
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Masterful CGI work.
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This is part of the problem of modern big budget movies

If you want to use LOTS of CGI: It takes 1.5-2.5 years to do all the computer work right.

This means EITHER those CGI scenes are set in stone OR you do add ons and reshoots at the last minute and you get shit like this.

Ever wonder why the final fight at the end of Black Panther looked so bad? It was a change to the original ending.....and there are only so many hours for people to enter shit into computers.

ADDITIONALLY: That means your script has to be iron fucking clad out the gate. Which means you need to hire GOOD WRITERS out the gate and not have a dozen hacks making what one top script writer used to make.

Additionally: This means studio suits cant make spot changes to the film at the end....which means you need to have a good director and you need to pay them.

Wanna do spot change "Scrap book" film making? You can.....but you can't do it if you are going to be CGI dependent. It looks like shit. Which means studios can....just not make an Indiana Jones movie (in the modern day). Or have Tight scripts with strong directors but guys like Peter Jackson, George Lucas, and so all will emerge and they will demand to get paid.
 
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Registration said:
I wonder if this will make people like kingdom more in retrospective.

I like kingdom way more than temple of doom already, but to be honest I have zero interest in this new one.
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I think this will just have people view this and Kingdom the same way people viewed the 4th and 5th Pirates movies. Which is that they'll be forgotten about
 
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ArthuriusMartyrius said:
Baffles me why they couldn't have just used the supposed Nazi time travel super-weapon concept, the Bell or whatever the fuck it was called. Sure it would be jumping into science-fiction territory instead of religious mysticism and based on what was apparently some random Pole's hoax but Kingdom of the Crystal Skull was also science-fiction-oriented and based on a 19th century German hoax.
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There are lots of possible candidates - I was thinking something like the Montauk Project.
TheHarbinger said:
They essentially are looking for a reboot. Just with a female lead. They were very close to going forward with an all female Pirate of the Caribbean reboot but the lead actresses dropped out (Margot Robbie being one of them). They basically rebooted Star Wars with a female Jedi as the lead with Rey Skywalker. The latest Predator film had a female lead. The upcoming Aliens show has a female lead.

They are likely using this movie to see how bankable the female lead is an action star. And seeing if they can launch an Indiana Jones female series or trilogy or whatever off of her performance. There will probably be some lame scene where Indiana Jones passes his hat to her like passing the torch.
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I find this approach so lazy. People will accept a strong female lead - look at the first two Terminator films, look at the first four Alien films. Dredd, Robocop, Star Wars, Pacific Rim, all put female characters in prominent roles and those characters were well received. But you have to work for it. You have to create a character who is compelling. You can’t just swap Indy out for Fleabag and hope for Indy’s popularity to instantly transfer.
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Okay. Time for my micro-essay on the character of Ripley and why guys like her but dislike most modern female action leads.

Recall if you can the scene in Aliens where the marines are preparing for their travel to the planet, loading equipment, etc. Ripley walks up to Hicks and Apone and says "I feel like kind of a third wheel around here. Is there anything I can do?" to which Apone responds immediately "I don't know. Is there anything you can do." Ripley pauses for a second or two processing this and then says: "Well, I can drive that loader". They give her a chance to do it, she shows she can and ends with a "where you want it?" as she holds a missile. They laugh, tell her "Bay 12, please".

What just happened in that scene? Ripley wasn't bossy or presuming that she had some right to do something or be part of what was going on. And when she presented herself they did what they would do to any man who presented himself - they challenged her to prove herself. And they are happy when she does.

In short, she becomes part of the group by showing she can play their game. And is welcomed thereafter. Same as a man would be.

A modern action film with a female lead would present their lack of immediate acceptance and challenging her as sexist. And when she met the challenge she would not do so successfully and gain acceptance, she would do so better than them and they would be humiliated.

Ripley is liked because she is a woman who is capable and doesn't demand that men around her act in a non-men way. Most modern action heroines are disliked because they humiliate the men around them and punish them for acting in standard male interaction and demand men behave in a more typically female way.
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In the first film, she isn’t even presented as a lead. She’s just one of the crew. Her intelligence and resourcefulness, really her only weapons against this monster, are revealed gradually. It’s a struggle for her to beat the alien, and that is a compelling thing to watch. You relate to her.
 
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Tragi-Chan said:
There are lots of possible candidates - I was thinking something like the Montauk Project.

I find this approach so lazy. People will accept a strong female lead - look at the first two Terminator films, look at the first four Alien films. Dredd, Robocop, Star Wars, Pacific Rim, all put female characters in prominent roles and those characters were well received. But you have to work for it. You have to create a character who is compelling. You can’t just swap Indy out for Fleabag and hope for Indy’s popularity to instantly transfer.

In the first film, she isn’t even presented as a lead. She’s just one of the crew. Her intelligence and resourcefulness, really her only weapons against this monster, are revealed gradually. It’s a struggle for her to beat the alien, and that is a compelling thing to watch. You relate to her.
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Another question:

How many new male characters (Who don't exist to be barriers to female characters) are out there that are compelling/interesting?

Almost none.

Writing is bad. They cant create new IP because rhey are totally uninterested in doing the basic shit correctly. Our culture right now is a bunch of shit that is ' 100% fake and gay" (and often literally gay)
 
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Manwithn0n0men said:
Which means studios can....just not make an Indiana Jones movie (in the modern day).
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Or maybe they should just hire a separate actor and put makeup on him so he can look like a younger Indiana Jones. Probably costs less than doing reshoots and additional half-assed CGI. I mean FFS take a movie like Night at the Museum where they made sure the actors looked like the statues of historical figures where there wasn't a need for them to be CGI'd. I'm trying to find information on whether they used actual wax statues from museums for the shoot or if they built them from scratch, but looks like I need to watch the behind-the-scenes for this kind of information.

Point I'm trying to get at is bring back practical effects, and that includes makeup artists, because it'll look better on camera. Oh, wait, humans cost too much money, while computers don't complain about salaries. Movies already have to credit every single Grubhub delivery boy and intern called up to give the crew their food, imagine giving credit to some real talent.
 
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Kari Kamiya said:
Or maybe they should just hire a separate actor and put makeup on him so he can look like a younger Indiana Jones. Probably costs less than doing reshoots and additional half-assed CGI. I mean FFS take a movie like Night at the Museum where they made sure the actors looked like the statues of historical figures where there wasn't a need for them to be CGI'd. I'm trying to find information on whether they used actual wax statues from museums for the shoot or if they built them from scratch, but looks like I need to watch the behind-the-scenes for this kind of information.

Point I'm trying to get at is bring back practical effects, and that includes makeup artists, because it'll look better on camera. Oh, wait, humans cost too much money, while computers don't complain about salaries. Movies already have to credit every single Grubhub delivery boy and intern called up to give the crew their food, imagine giving credit to some real talent.
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Here is the problem

All the action sequences that used to be done with stuntmen and practical effects....they are done with CGI. Its cheaper to de-age Harrison then to put some one in Harrison makeup and prothesisis

But to the point....if you make these moves dependent on skilled technicians again (instead of code monkeys).....you have to pay them.

The movies are shit because the studios and producers want to keep profits for themselves and hire untalented people they know
 
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Johnny Eastwood cash said:
True but at least we can be happy knowing the polt of the movie didn't happen
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Or... did it? *turns to the camera and winks*
Jar-Jar Fanboy said:
There's an alleged 4chan post with a plot leak, dated about a week ago, that got the title correct. Assuming it's real, Disney is killing off yet another beloved male hero, and replacing him with a woman. Please, for the love of God, make it stop
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>Donald Trump swearing in is the first historical moment shown
 
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Adamska said:
I was actually thinking of something a bit like this after staring in amused second hand embarrassment and horror at the absolute pile of shit they came up with.

First off, get a new actress; the bitch they have now killed Bond and is very unlikeable in the Brie Larson kind of way. Have new actress be Mutt's wife, maybe still be related to Brody. Mutt still dies in 'nam, but it's because he was killed during a mission to save a legendary artifact from planned napalm strikes at an old Funanese temple in the Ho Chi Minh trail. She finds out about it during an expedition in the Sudan or something, and essentially gets put on break and goes back to the states.

Indy became the Dean of Academics for his college and is a Professor Emeritus, having retired from active expeditions and classes just a few years ago after a hip accident in the Cloud Rainforests of Ecuador. He also is watching over his grandkid when He finds out about his son's fate. Indy properly retires to the home and only comes out when the new lady comes home. The two together resolve to finish what Mutt started, and to do so must contact his partner, which allows you to bring back Short Round. Indy in the film is now how Sean Connery was; a silver fox, but not the physical actor due to his age. It is Indy's last ride, as he and his daughter in law, and adoptive chinese son come to terms with Mutt's passing and try to recover the lost Funanese artifact and aid suffering villagers in the aftermath of the napalm bombings.

Indy dies saving them at the end from the villain also seeking the artifact, and the lady and Short Round both find closure in it, and place the monument in a museum. The film ends with a memorial to Indy being made and the new Dean speaking about his life.

Only problem is this gives Indy a dignified death and legacy and fuck that lol.
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The actor who played short round was in Everything Everywhere All at Once. So it would have worked.

If they wanted the Nazi thing, have Indy and co go on an adventure in Brazil or The artic. Find some hidden Nazi city and they're the only ones to stop an invasion or some shit. idk. KK and Co have no respect for the series George created.
 
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