Plagued Super Smash Bros. Community

Left Ass Cheek said:
I don’t even understand why SWT is a thing they’re trying to force. The reason Tekken World Tour is so significant for example is because Tekken is a game that celebrates the martial arts and motifs of different cultures. So naturally it sees a lot of play competitively in a lot of different places.

Japan, South Korea, Thailand, Peru, Pakistan, EU, the Americas, etc. all have top level players who’ve won majors or can be called some of the best in the world. With Smash it’s just the Americas (mainly just US and Mexico I think), Sweden, and Japan. If there was a wealth of hidden talent out there in some 3rd world shit hole they’d have seen it by now. It’s just autists copying something without understanding why it’s great in the first place.
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Tekken, Street Fighter, Mortal Kombat, King of Fighters and Soulcalibur, the games have influenced by martial arts, have inspired martian art fighters themselves. Smash Bros. only influenced manchildren.
 
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Twitch streamer Ludwig Ahgren has announced his own Smash event because of SWT being cancelled.

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Ludwig strikes me as a naive guy, he's one of the genre of wholesome 100 Twitch streamers popular on the platform. Can't wait for this to go wrong.
 
Markass the Worst said:
Twitch streamer Ludwig Ahgren has announced his own Smash event because of SWT being cancelled.

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Ludwig strikes me as a naive guy, he's one of the genre of wholesome 100 Twitch streamers popular on the platform. Can't wait for this to go wrong.
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God damn it, it's fucking FreeMelee all over again, right down to the tourney holders being in the wrong and the autismos making their own tournament!
 
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Reading between the lines with George here, looking at SWT's statement. Overall, the tone of the response is rather unprofessional and needlessly wordy, but let's start with this paragraph:
We are struggling to understand why Nintendo contacted us at all last week if they truly wanted us to continue operating. We are struggling to understand why they would not simply reach out to us after our event, rather than rush to meet with us before the Thanksgiving holiday break, just two weeks before our Championships event.
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All right these dumb fucks were the ones who submitted an application for licenses with a ridiculous lead time, and then continually 'bumped' (their words) Nintendo for a response. Now they're saying they don't understand why Nintendo contacted them? They asked Nintendo for a response, and I'm certain they put in their correspondence that a response was urgent and needed to come before their event. This is malicious deflection to confuse the argument, and a really poor thing to come out to bat with.
Regardless, we stand by our first follow-up (linked here), and would like to reiterate that we received our notice in writing from Nintendo. We also received a direct response to our questions in our call about if we could continue to run the upcoming Championships and the 2023 Tour with the “unofficial” mutual understanding that we would not be shut down. We were told directly that those “times are over.”
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They continually mention receiving a notice in writing from Nintendo, but they don't share that correspondence. It would take only a few seconds to share a screenshot of the email, or a photo of the fax or letter, but they don't. There's also no possibility that Nintendo's correspondence would be protected by an NDA as SWT doesn't have any agreement with Nintendo. There's no reason why SWT can't share the correspondence they supposedly have in writing.

The expression 'times are over' is not a very direct response. Them saying they were told directly something that is indirect is a laughably incompetent way to word something.
And again, we would like to reiterate that in our call we asked Nintendo directly if they understood the impact of canceling both the upcoming Championships and the 2023 Smash World Tour. In particular, we brought up international players traveling to the Championships as well as multiple documentary teams. In response to this question, Nintendo responded that they were “confident that from A-Z, all consequences have been evaluated in making this decision,” specifically acknowledging that fallout scenarios included “some positive, some negative, and some really negative.”
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This is possibly the most informative paragraph for what is happening behind the scenes. Here is a translation, 'In our call we threatened Nintendo with making waves in the community if we did not get what we want.' This is exactly what SWT did. They made their issue with Nintendo and Panda public after cancelling their own tournament, giving themselves a chance to strike first against both communities. They did this not because of SWT 2022, but because Nintendo would not give them any licenses for 2023, putting them at a disadvantage against Panda, who they do not want to have any business relationship with (they have had no correspondence with them through this entire saga). By doing this, the community's public opinion is favorable to SWT, and that's supposed to put pressure on Nintendo and Panda (Nintendo certainly doesn't care; Panda very likely doesn't care). This is what happens when you spend too much time on Twitter and Reddit and think that winning updoots and ratios means you can get whatever you want. SWT is relying on pushback from the community to get a competitive advantage for streamer Smash tournaments.

The rest of the response is worthless noise, but I will say that SWT is making a huge mistake with these continuous, unrelenting open letters by pressing Nintendo to give some kind of official, public statement on unlicensed streaming. If pressed, Nintendo will have no choice but to state that unlicensed streams violate their copyright and must be C&D'd, because companies have to publicly defend their copyrights and trademarks if threatened or risk losing those rights (consider Aspirin).
 
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It's insane how many people just blindly believing swt despite their story making no sense.

It's even more insane how Ninty has said twice that they can go ahead with the championship and people contimue defending swt not running it.
 
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huecoffs02 said:
It's insane how many people just blindly believing swt despite their story making no sense.

It's even more insane how Ninty has said twice that they can go ahead with the championship and people contimue defending swt not running it.
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Everyone else is just too used to shitting on Nintendo to look any deeper into this I suppose
 
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George Lucas said:
Scar has a meltdown and goes on a schizo rant about attending tournaments even when they get cancelled:
Archive pending.
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>UNTIL THEY ARREST US
Is this the Smash Bros player way of saying that they are trying to irl fedpost? Even though they barely leave their own house to begin with.
 
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I don't swear said:
I don't think NoA are the ones responsible but Japan. No shot would an American company act like this unless they're Apple or Disney, oh wait...
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Except the blame is mostly on VGBC for being absolutely retarded on how they went about it and being so dense they dont wanna go ahead and do the chamoionship.
 
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huecoffs02 said:
Except the blame is mostly on VGBC for being absolutely retarded on how they went about it and being so dense they dont wanna go ahead and do the chamoionship.
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I'd say that neither side is guilt-free. As for VGBC, I don't know what to say. With the differing accounts on both sides and no clear evidence, it's hard to say anything other than that it's unfortunate for those who just want to see some competitive gameplay. Say what you will about the communities, but the gameplay (Melee) is fascinating to watch.
 
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I don't swear said:
I'd say that neither side is guilt-free. As for VGBC, I don't know what to say. With the differing accounts on both sides and no clear evidence, it's hard to say anything other than that it's unfortunate for those who just want to see some competitive gameplay.
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Nintendo didn't do anything wrong, though. From what I can tell, Nintendo were open to working with them but VGBC were dragging their feet to take it any further (there's more to this, but I can't be bothered to sum it all up).
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Say what you will about the communities, but the gameplay (Melee) is fascinating to watch.
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It really isn't. The Melee scene has been going on for over 10 years and it's always the same characters, the same stages and the same techniques.

Nothing new has been or can be done with it at this point. Once you've seen a few matches you've seen them all.
 
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