General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[vestars20]

I seriously doubt this will change too much.

Maybe, I have not seen any difference for Cover after they created their MCN nor have I seen noticeable differences after Anyka went public. It would have been nice to see 774 and Brave group also join. Sony wouldn't join cause they hate good press.

The law was recently changed so maybe Cover/Any think they can pressure anti's harder. Rushia has had success against antis and considering Rushia's meltdown and now Axia graduating it makes sense to attempt to firewall the talents a bit. Especially with the cultural differences, no EN streamer is gonna sue chat cause of defamation, they are busy elephant walking themselves into a manufactured frenzy.

Super Rrat - Niji is looking to turn on China, that's why they partnered with Cover and no one else came on board.

I have a really strong distaste for companies that abuse defamation lawsuits to create a chilling effect. Note that they can't win a defamation lawsuit for a truthful or opinionated statement outside Japan, but they sure as hell can file a lawsuit anyway and fuck someone's entire life up by forcing them to defend it.

This feels like a timeloop, anyway, I could've sworn Anycolor already released a statement just like this last year and then did sweet fuck all about it because really, what are you going to do, track down and sue literally every dipshit who says mean things about your talents? Adding Cover Corp to the mix isn't going to help matters, information on the Internet flows like rain and putting up a second umbrella won't stop it from falling.

Self-persecution projection. No one is getting sued outside of Japan.

Yes, they are gonna track down idiots that are obsessed with talents. Spend some time on 5chan, anti's there are dedicated and EN has ADHD comparatively. This site still exists, most people forgot about kiwi in a month or so. Sio stopped streaming years ago and her anti's are still creating threads: https://egg.5ch.net/test/read.cgi/streaming/1630958659/.

 

[Counterfeit Obol]

Super Rrat - Niji is looking to turn on China, that's why they partnered with Cover and no one else came on board.

Guess Vox is the straw that broke the Nijicamel's back if this were the case.

 

[lalilulelo]

shark getting a little parasocial

love gura but heres a criticism she will never address: acknowledge the existance of tempus.

omg remember her first stream from when she came from her break, it was a few days after tempus debut. she kept asking chat whats new in hololive. chat kept bringing up tempus and she kept pretending like she didnt see it. like if you didnt want to talk about then stop asking.

 

[Tor Lugosi]

gura says NO to your gay penis havers

which is, in fact, the correct response

 

[vestars20]

shark getting a little parasocial

love gura but heres a criticism she will never address: acknowledge the existance of tempus.

omg remember her first stream from when she came from her break, it was a few days after tempus debut. she kept asking chat whats new in hololive. chat kept bringing up tempus and she kept pretending like she didnt see it. like if you didnt want to talk about then stop asking.

WTF, Gura doesn't acknowledge anything let alone Tempus. WW3 could break out and Gura's stream would be about the local animal shelter she volunteers at along with a promotion from Cover for Umasea or something. She is the least parasocial vtuber, ain't give a fuck about rrats and does everything on her own timeline without revealing it to chat.

Personally, I am of two minds. Gura has a healthy relationship with her job - yay! Gura is a reason why EN is so fucking... lame - and has no leadership qualities leading to a vacuum of growth for everyone including her. Swap Gura for Kiara as the leader and EN is so much better.

 

[Burnt Fish]

WTF, Gura doesn't acknowledge anything let alone Tempus. WW3 could break out and Gura's stream would be about the local animal shelter she volunteers at along with a promotion from Cover for Umasea or something. She is the least parasocial vtuber, ain't give a fuck about rrats and does everything on her own timeline without revealing it to chat.

Personally, I am of two minds. Gura has a healthy relationship with her job - yay! Gura is a reason why EN is so fucking... lame - and has no leadership qualities leading to a vacuum of growth for everyone including her. Swap Gura for Kiara as the leader and EN is so much better.

Don't particularly care about the shark one way or another (she's just never been my style) but that second half there is some weapons grade copium if you think that the growth slowdown lies at the feet of Gura or that if she just filled some amorphous role of "leader" that the golden age would return.

Nobody stopping Kiara (or anyone else) from "stepping up as a leader" Gura certainly isn't in her way since Gura's only around like 1 week out of the month anyway. What stops Kiara from "taking charge and taking a lead" is that she's still just Kiara and a lot of folks are just filtered by her in general (she has her strong supporters and I don't bring this point up to knock her but it is what it is)

 

[Rezza]

The thing about Keeki/Kiara is that no matter how hard she tried, there's going to be people who hate her. Typical for any creators, but in her case the haters will always be the extremely passionate kind
That said, she's still a hard-working motherfucker. And in this day and age, that's a great virtue to have

 

[vestars20]

Don't particularly care about the shark one way or another (she's just never been my style) but that second half there is some weapons grade copium if you think that the growth slowdown lies at the feet of Gura or that if she just filled some amorphous role of "leader" that the golden age would return.

Nobody stopping Kiara (or anyone else) from "stepping up as a leader" Gura certainly isn't in her way since Gura's only around like 1 week out of the month anyway. What stops Kiara from "taking charge and taking a lead" is that she's still just Kiara and a lot of folks are just filtered by her in general (she has her strong supporters and I don't bring this point up to knock her but it is what it is)

Swap Fubuki for Gura and the EN scene is still rocking. Wake me up when Gura's big projects drop.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Swap Fubuki for Gura and the EN scene is still rocking. Wake me up when Gura's big projects drop.

The hell is "Swap" supposed to mean? Give them each other's channels? That would be pretty interesting I admit.

 

[vestars20]

The hell is "Swap" supposed to mean? Give them each other's channels? That would be pretty interesting I admit.

Fubuki's streaming style as an EN member. Fubuki and Sora carried Hololive on their backs both publicly and behind the scenes. Comparatively, Ame and Kiara do what Fubuki was doing - technical support and outreach. Fubuki also capitalized on her success while Gura seems to be slow walking her fame.

 

[White Stone]

Swap Fubuki for Gura and the EN scene is still rocking. Wake me up when Gura's big projects drop.

It already did. That animation was one year in the making.

Fubuki's streaming style as an EN member. Fubuki and Sora carried Hololive on their backs both publicly and behind the scenes. Comparatively, Ame and Kiara do what Fubuki was doing - technical support and outreach. Fubuki also capitalized on her success while Gura seems to be slow walking her fame.

You're working too much on "what-if". If Gura somehow has Fubuki's streaming style, she might not have become as popular as she is. People like Gura for being Gura, if she becomes someone else then people wouldn't like her anymore.

 

[Good Ol' Chum]

Gura's always just been someone that does her own thing, and I honestly appreciate her greatly for doing so.
I don't know where the whole "leader" thing is coming from, since it's rather clear that the girl is a massive introvert and has had some pretty bad imposter syndrome, even forgoing the celebration of some of her milestone subcounts.

Just let your chuubas do their thing and enjoy the content they produce while they're still here.

 

[Burnt Fish]

Swap Fubuki for Gura and the EN scene is still rocking. Wake me up when Gura's big projects drop.

Gura and her position still have nothing to do with this.
You have an issue with EN "not still rocking" Swapping Gura out of EN doesn't make that happen.

I disagree with your premise of Gura somehow being responsible here, but even giving you that, your proposed solution is just as as stupid. No gen has a "leader" outside of kayfabe. or did you genuinely think folks like la+ led their gen.

Just say "I wish EN did more" that's at least reasonable and doesn't make you sound like some autist trying to treat streamers like a fantasy football team.

 

[ViolentNugget]

Every time there's a new gen I'll hate them at first until I slowly grow to like them

 

[Nabeshin]

Have you been keeping up with her?

More or less, I enjoy watching her from time to time, mostly because she plays old games that I played.

How's she been doing?

She's doing better, she still pissed that because she was cancelled a lot of people and other vtubers corpos dislikes her.

The last I remember of her there were a bunch of spergs pissed at her for reasons I never fully figured out and got her flagged off of twitter.

IIRC is because she tried to imitate the JP vtubers by saying nigger on the scene of GTAV but I don't see how this can impact her twitter account

 

[Zinnaha]

Super Rrat - Niji is looking to turn on China, that's why they partnered with Cover and no one else came on board.

AC has a joint venture with China (that isn't failing) so that's unlikely, it's not like Niji IN they can just drop and never look back.

 

[Ralph Barnhardt]

IIRC is because she tried to imitate the JP vtubers by saying nigger on the scene of GTAV but I don't see how this can impact her twitter account

lol I forgot about that. I think that's what faggots got pissed about and then never stopped flagging her. There was probably some predatory stuff (not the diddling kind) in there because she was such a easy target. I'll have to keep better tabs on her now that I know she's still around.

 

[Burnt Fish]

Mio debuted a new outfit.

 

[moments fade pain remains]

Who cares about Gura?

The boys might be playing Deep Rock Galactic. That's way more important.

 

[kestraline]

Onolumi is still playing Dwarf Fortress: