The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[mrolonzo]

Why do so many revisionists insist the Nazis are unfairly blamed for the death of millions of Jews when the Nazis made it clear time and again they perceived the Jews as an existential threat? Regardless of whatever reevaluation takes place, the Nazis were still the biggest assholes in Europe next to the Soviets.

Why do you insist on complete ignorance?

Firstly millions of Jews did not die. That's why the nazis are unfairly blamed.
Secondly, an existential threat is not a reason to kill and killing Jews was never mentioned by any nazi at any time.
Thirdly, the nazis simply followed German national interests with courage and honor and offered excellent peace terms to Europe. What everyone got instead was far far worse.

People have been pressured to drop the holocaust revision narrative because nobody wants to be associated with Nazi weirdos.

If you don't want to associated etc then ok but why pressure others to drop the narrative?

Anyway, you're wrong. Nazis are at heart the only true political faith and a nazi is the only true human being in political terms. Basically if you're a Democrat, Republican, conservative voters, soc dem voter you're literally just another asshole who will kow tow to the power of international interests.

 

[Chugger]

@mrolonzo

good to see you again. all I want to see is a book by Mattogno or any revisionist where they spend more than 1% of the book examining the evidence or lack thereof for the resettlement and mass migration of millions of people. If your main criticism of the Holocaust is the evidence for it sucks, this same criticism applies to the mass transit hypothesis, even more so because the evidentiary case is so bad revisionists can't manage a single chapter about it.

This indicates a very high level of bias on the revisionist side- even people who know little of the actual history should be able to see this

 

[mrolonzo]

@mrolonzo

good to see you again. all I want to see is a book by Mattogno or any revisionist where they spend more than 1% of the book examining the evidence or lack thereof for the resettlement and mass migration of millions of people. If your main criticism of the Holocaust is the evidence for it sucks, this same criticism applies to the mass transit hypothesis, even more so because the evidentiary case is so bad revisionists can't manage a single chapter about it.

This indicates a very high level of bias on the revisionist side- even people who know little of the actual history should be able to see this

Mattogno on Treblinka; Roughly a third of the study deals with this.

Mattogno, Graf et al The Extermination camps of Aktion Rheinhardt. (Refuting holocaust controversies hoaxers for the charlatans they are) ; Roughly 10% on this subject.

Codoh 'Where did they go?' ; https://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=13204&start=30

Then of course, I've already addressed the demographic issue of how many you can expect to be looking for. Ive previously linked to Ryan Faulk, Walter Sanning, Wolfgang Benz, Stephen Challon.

 

[Chugger]

Mattogno on Treblinka; Roughly a third of the study deals with this.

Mattogno, Graf et al The Extermination camps of Aktion Rheinhardt. (Refuting holocaust controversies hoaxers for the charlatans they are) ; Roughly 10% on this subject.

Well I was specifically interested in revisionists dealing with the problematic aspects of their narrative - eg the complete lack of witness and documentary evidence for Jews being mass interned in German occupied Russia throughout the occupation - even a single community

Mattogno has probably written 25,000 pages critiquing the Holocaust narrative for having shaky evidence.

As far as I know,he's never dealt with the problem of evidence for the revisionist narrative. The closest he comes that I've seen is here

I'll give Carlo a page here (being very generous) so he's spent 1/25,000 = .0004% of his collected efforts on the subject

 

[Bonesjones]

Guys why do they refuse to answer my questions every day when I ask them and pretend to not have been answered?

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

Guys why do they refuse to answer my questions every day when I ask them and pretend to not have been answered?

This question was answered long ago.

 

[mrolonzo]

Well I was specifically interested in revisionists dealing with the problematic aspects of their narrative - eg the complete lack of witness and documentary evidence for Jews being mass interned in German occupied Russia throughout the occupation - even a single community

Mattogno has probably written 25,000 pages critiquing the Holocaust narrative for having shaky evidence.

As far as I know,he's never dealt with the problem of evidence for the revisionist narrative. The closest he comes that I've seen is here
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I'll give Carlo a page here (being very generous) so he's spent 1/25,000 = .0004% of his collected efforts on the subject

How much do you think of his efforts do you think he should have spent on answering your question and why? In fractional or percentage terms is fine.

Anyway, since you can't be bothered to read the first text I just pointed out, I'll help out;

From Treblinka page 254;
"In the “Guidelines for handling of the Jewish question,” which go back to
the summer of 1941, the following paragraph appears:735

“The goal is a transfer into ghettos with simultaneous separation of the sexes. The existence of numerous more or less closed Jewish communities in White Russia and in the Ukraine facilitates this task. For the rest, locations are to be chosen, which, due to pending work projects, make possible the full utilization of the Jewish labor force.”

 

[Chugger]

How much do you think of his efforts do you think he should have spent on answering your question and why? In fractional or percentage terms is fine.

50/50 but it would be fair if he critiqued the revisionist narrative just 1% of the time. 50 books about the orthodox narrative and maybe one book, or even a chapter in a book pointing addressing some of the problems with the revisionist narrative and the counter evidence

eg w the quote you provide

From Treblinka page 254;
"In the “Guidelines for handling of the Jewish question,” which go back to
the summer of 1941, the following paragraph appears:735

“The goal is a transfer into ghettos with simultaneous separation of the sexes. The existence of numerous more or less closed Jewish communities in White Russia and in the Ukraine facilitates this task. For the rest, locations are to be chosen, which, due to pending work projects, make possible the full utilization of the Jewish labor force.”

if Mattogno is implying this is evidence that Jews were interned in White Russia -- it would have been fair for him to have noted that the document is from a year before the mass deportation of Polish Jews took palce. He also should have pointed out the Kube document I detailed a while back, which counters the theory

Here Mattogno quotes a report from the governor of Belarus 'Combating Partisans and Aktion Against Jews in the Generalbezirk of Byelorussia'

This document shows that by mid-1942 all the non-working Jews in White Russia (Belarus) had been killed or were scheduled to be killed, including most of the German deportees, and that there were plans to kill even the working Jews.

"Naturally I and the SD would like it best if Jewry in the Generalbezirk of Byelorussia was finally eliminated after their labor is no longer required by the Wehrmacht."

And in Ukraine there is no evidence of Jews being interned, instead in 1943 stuff like this

 

[potato in mah painus]

Idk if this was posted yet but check this out

The Curious case of Former Holocaust Denier Eric Hunt

Eric Hunt used to deny the Holocaust and created several videos where he outlined his views. Since then, he has realized that the Holocaust did occur, and ha...

www.youtube.com

One of the most fervent holocaust deniers Eric Hunt finally came to the conclusion that the holocaust happened and even debated his former denialist buddy. His blogpost explaining this change is in the video description. Thought it might be good material for the people in the thread.

He has come to the same conclusion many of us have, it happened. The problem is what actually happened has been scrubbed in favor of escalating stories for grift or political gain, with people like history speaks (chugger is most likely his sock) trying to keep the gifting going for their own gain.

In short? From denier, to revisionist, to "If it happens again they earned it."

 

[Haint]

This question was answered long ago.

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Social Media in a nutshell. Ask for an explanation, no reply. Offer a counterpoint, get autistic screeching, If you get that.

 

[The Tall Man]

The question is what is the holocaust?

Is it the deliberate planned systematic execution of 6million Jews via gas chambers and other execution devices and the event that made Jews the biggest victims of WW2?
or
Is it the deportation of Jews, the internment of dissident elements within Germany including Jews, the death of people within the camps due to deteriorating conditions and some significantly lower than 6 million executions of Jews and the event that made Germans the biggest victims of Concentration Camps?

If you would ask the majority what the holocaust is they would go for the first option, they might even add human soap and skin lampshades.

If the first option is what the holocaust is supposed to be, than there are many holocaust deniers.

 

[Gog & Magog]

When you think about it, white racefags are partially responsible for making explicit advocacy of whites' group interests unmentionable throughout the West.
Edit: You know its true. Disagree with me if you want but the truth remains the same. Truly, racefags are their own worse enemies.

 

[Alex Hogendorp]

Why do so many revisionists insist the Nazis are unfairly blamed for the death of millions of Jews when the Nazis made it clear time and again they perceived the Jews as an existential threat? Regardless of whatever reevaluation takes place, the Nazis were still the biggest assholes in Europe next to the Soviets.

For that, look what the Jews did to the Europeans centuries ago. Are you telling me all those who kicked them out are genocidal maniacs?

 

[mrolonzo]

50/50 but it would be fair if he critiqued the revisionist narrative just 1% of the time. 50 books about the orthodox narrative and maybe one book, or even a chapter in a book pointing addressing some of the problems with the revisionist narrative and the counter evidence

eg w the quote you provide

if Mattogno is implying this is evidence that Jews were interned in White Russia -- it would have been fair for him to have noted that the document is from a year before the mass deportation of Polish Jews took palce. He also should have pointed out the Kube document I detailed a while back, which counters the theory



This document shows that by mid-1942 all the non-working Jews in White Russia (Belarus) had been killed or were scheduled to be killed, including most of the German deportees, and that there were plans to kill even the working Jews.

"Naturally I and the SD would like it best if Jewry in the Generalbezirk of Byelorussia was finally eliminated after their labor is no longer required by the Wehrmacht."

And in Ukraine there is no evidence of Jews being interned, instead in 1943 stuff like this

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50% ?

So... just forget the camp studies, the crematorium studies, maybe just Auschwitz and the EG?

Patently ridiculous of course.

Regarding 'noting that the document is from a year before the mass deportation of Polish Jews took place...' this passage details the actual plans of the Reich.

As for addressing counter evidence, that's his entire work, and specifically to counter evidence against revisionists he goes through the holocaust controversies bloggers by writing a tomb of a book recently mentioned, then he writes another tomb on the EG addressing the Kube issues in exhausting detail which I have previously posted on this thread but will do again if invited.

As for this last stuff, sounds like a real winner here that revisionists have failed to address, what document is this?

 

[Stabmaster Arson II]

For that, look what the Jews did to the Europeans centuries ago. Are you telling me all those who kicked them out are genocidal maniacs?

Or even the attempted communist coup led by Jews in 1918. Germany had not forgotten that.

109 countries? If I got thrown out of 109 bars...

Even so, there was no extermination order. No official one. Removal was the goal.

If things continue, I doubt the next leader who opposes them will make the same mistake.

 

[mrolonzo]

The question is what is the holocaust?

Is it the deliberate planned systematic execution of 6million Jews via gas chambers and other execution devices and the event that made Jews the biggest victims of WW2?
or
Is it the deportation of Jews, the internment of dissident elements within Germany including Jews, the death of people within the camps due to deteriorating conditions and some significantly lower than 6 million executions of Jews and the event that made Germans the biggest victims of Concentration Camps?

If you would ask the majority what the holocaust is they would go for the first option, they might even add human soap and skin lampshades.

If the first option is what the holocaust is supposed to be, than there are many holocaust deniers.

It's really just whatever they want it to be for the line they want to shove down your throat.

 

[The Tall Man]

When you think about it, white racefags are partially responsible for making explicit advocacy of whites' group interests unmentionable throughout the West.

No, that is the result of "pro-white" people getting banned, debanked and driven into the corners of the Internet.
If you look at people like Rand, he was less spergy during his stream.me days, being isolated and herded into an echo chamber does make people weird.
And many people who could nearly be considered white advocates explicitly denounce it to not get in trouble.

The only people left are people who don't give a shit and end up isolated or people who are looney and get promoted as examples of what white advocacy looks like.

 

[Gog & Magog]

No, that is the result of "pro-white" people getting banned, debanked and driven into the corners of the Internet.
If you look at people like Rand, he was less spergy during his stream.me days, being isolated and herded into an echo chamber does make people weird.
And many people who could nearly be considered white advocates explicitly denounce it to not get in trouble.

The only people left are people who don't give a shit and end up isolated or people who are looney and get promoted as examples of what white advocacy looks like.

You bring up a great point. I wish political parties would get over themselves and treat whites explicitly as an ethnic voting bloc worth naming and associating with. So many problems in the West stem from many whites' and non-whites' fear of white racial consciousness because of its unfortunate history. Now obviously many whites don't care for 'whiteness', and many Europeans consider themselves the natives of their own nations first, and as Europeans second. Still, I believe the great racial strife wouldn't be so bad if whites could honestly acknowledge their own interests the same as every other group does. I'm getting off topic however, so I will end this post here.

 

[Chugger]

From denier, to revisionist, to "If it happens again they earned it."

So happy for you for taking this journey

 

[mrolonzo]

He has come to the same conclusion many of us have, it happened. The problem is what actually happened has been scrubbed in favor of escalating stories for grift or political gain, with people like history speaks (chugger is most likely his sock) trying to keep the gifting going for their own gain.

In short? From denier, to revisionist, to "If it happens again they earned it."

Around the same time, he debated Fritz Berg. He presented a photo and they argued over this for some time. Fritz Berg basically destroyed him.He also wrote an article. Mostly gobbledegoook.

The truth is, Mr Potato, you're a liar, you didn't come to any such new conclusions because you never read up on the full scope of the debate in the first place. You're simply play acting here as if you've actually read something to then finish off with a ridiculous murderous statement.

No one is impressed, except Chugger, who is very keen to see new members of this ridiculous grand folly.

The belief in the holocaust is a deliberate torment to the soul of man, while those who still promote it in the face of revisionism are obviously extremely hurt and sick individuals, as often evidenced by their physical behaviours as well as the great lengths they go to lie and deceive. Yet there exists still a cure for all of this and a soothe for the souls of men - read revisionism.