Indiana Jones & the Dial of Destiny - Using time travel to literally retcon the series

there's probably also the question which is more reprehensible of an idea-
actively loathing a group enough to develop weapons to obliterate them
or
literally giving no fucks about who is or isn't getting slaughtered as long as you build your toys
 
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XYZpdq Jr. said:
spoilers say he dies in vietnam between movies
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I'm not even going to pretend that I'm into Indiana Jones. I played the shit out of the Young Indy NES game when I was a snotty kid and read and seen Temple of Doom but I was never a fan of the franchise and know little about it. I actually liked its rip-offs (like Firewalker and Allan Quatermain, even John Rhys-Davies plays parts in these) more. But this gave me an idea:

A ruthless Leibstandarte SS officer from Hitler's personal bodyguard unit played by a de-aged Mikkelsen obtains the Spear of Destiny (or some other Biblical relic) during the time of the post-war Werwolf insurgency after his unit successfully ambushed and slaughtered a group of Allied soldiers. After being on the run for a while he simply enlists in the French Foreign Legion to fight in the First Indochina War like many East Prussian refugees, drifters, orphaned teenage boys and his former brothers-in-arms who became French POWs did. He manages to smuggle the Spear to Indochina with him somehow. He fights the Viet Minh in a brutal fashion but changes sides (1400 of these German legionnaires deserted or switched sides during the conflict) when the tide of war turns. He becomes a staunch Communist like Austrian Ernst Frey and Germans Rudy Schröder and Erwin Borchers who were political exiles and joined the Legion in 1940 to fight Nazis but ended up in French Indochina and chose to side with the Viet Minh under the names Nguyen Dan, Le Duc Nhan and Chien Si in the late 1940s and early 1950s.
Fast forward to 1969. Indy is looking for the Spear of Destiny in Vietnam and bumps into his son who is now a battle-hardened Marine involved in the Combined Action Program and is helping locals defend a mountain hamlet from the Viet Cong. Mutt goes AWOL after a while to help his father find the Spear which is located in some ruined mountain temple. They face a tiger, Charlies, snakes, napalm, booby traps, whatever. Mikkelsen's character is now a high-ranking officer in the North Vietnamese Army and is also in the area. He hears from a VC spy or a captured and tortured American soldier that someone is after the relic. Let the confrontation begin!

Voila! Leftists get their evil Nazis, right-wingers get their evil Communists and I fixed the basic plot of your movie. Fellow Kiwis! Feel free to add more!
 
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Manly_Brony said:
I'm not even going to pretend that I'm into Indiana Jones. I played the shit out of the Young Indy NES game when I was a snotty kid and read and seen Temple of Doom but I was never a fan of the franchise and know little about it. I actually liked its rip-offs (like Firewalker and Allan Quatermain, even John Rhys-Davies plays parts in these) more. But this gave me an idea:

A ruthless Leibstandarte SS officer from Hitler's personal bodyguard unit played by a de-aged Mikkelsen obtains the Spear of Destiny (or some other Biblical relic) during the time of the post-war Werwolf insurgency after his unit successfully ambushed and slaughtered a group of Allied soldiers. After being on the run for a while he simply enlists in the French Foreign Legion to fight in the First Indochina War like many East Prussian refugees, drifters, orphaned teenage boys and his former brothers-in-arms who became French POWs did. He manages to smuggle the Spear to Indochina with him somehow. He fights the Viet Minh in a brutal fashion but changes sides (1400 of these German legionnaires deserted or switched sides during the conflict) when the tide of war turns. He becomes a staunch Communist like Austrian Ernst Frey and Germans Rudy Schröder and Erwin Borchers who were political exiles and joined the Legion in 1940 to fight Nazis but ended up in French Indochina and chose to side with the Viet Minh under the names Nguyen Dan, Le Duc Nhan and Chien Si in the late 1940s and early 1950s.
Fast forward to 1969. Indy is looking for the Spear of Destiny in Vietnam and bumps into his son who is now a battle-hardened Marine involved in the Combined Action Program and is helping locals defend a mountain hamlet from the Viet Cong. Mutt goes AWOL after a while to help his father find the Spear which is located in some ruined mountain temple. They face a tiger, Charlies, snakes, napalm, booby traps, whatever. Mikkelsen's character is now a high-ranking officer in the North Vietnamese Army and is also in the area. He hears from a VC spy or a captured and tortured American soldier that someone is after the relic. Let the confrontation begin!

Voila! Leftists get their evil Nazis, right-wingers get their evil Communists and I fixed the basic plot of your movie. Fellow Kiwis! Feel free to add more!
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and Mutt is still Shia so he's like Rambo but a stammering putz
nununununununNUNUNUNUNNUTTIN IS OVER
 
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What the fuck even is the "Dial of Destiny", I thought Indiana Jones focused on actual archaeological artifacts. Like at the least the crystal skull was something that actually exists IRL and has some lore behind them even if they're all 19th century forgeries. Wonder if it's gonna look like a fucking toy like that stupid "Sith dagger" in the last Disney Star Wars movie. The spoiler looks hilarious, offuckingcourse they put Donald Trump in there. Does the Nazi guy cheer him on when he shows up?

The only thing that remains to be seen is if this movie can manage to make Kingdom of the Crystal Skull look good like people have been joking for years.
 
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Manly_Brony said:
I'd suggest JLaw since she's convinced that she's the action genre's greatest thing since sliced bread. But she comes across as the Appalachian town bicycle who decided to move to LA.

I love how these people are waiting for the opportunity to punch a Nazi with glee but the Western veterans who fought the actual German war machine have been cordial with their former enemies for decades now. I saw a video on the Bovington Tank Museum YT channel earlier this year and a British tanker wanted to shake hands with a German one when he learned that he fought in the Battle of Kursk.
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Wasn't just WWII veterans who been cordial with their former enemies. USA in particular had veterans of the American Civil War burying the hatchet between them. And them spending rest of their lives trying to get those who didn't fought to also bury the hatchet and let the wounds heal. Unfortunately the second the last of the ACW veterans pass on; the grievance mongers moved in to undo everything.
 
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XYZpdq Jr. said:
there's probably also the question which is more reprehensible of an idea-
actively loathing a group enough to develop weapons to obliterate them
or
literally giving no fucks about who is or isn't getting slaughtered as long as you build your toys
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I would say the former is worse. The latter is probably not admirable, but it's good to have those kind of people on your side. I suspect many on our side were the same way with the A-bomb. Obsessed with the tech side of it and unconcerned about the ramifications.
 
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Travoltron said:
Obsessed with the tech side of it and unconcerned about the ramifications
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The hubris of man knows no bounds. I remember when CERN was running some experiments, and the news related some info from them that said "yeah, this might actually cause an event horizon that sucks all matter into it and destroys the earth. Just throwing that out there."
Even with journalist's famous flair for blowing something out of proportion, there was probably a kernel of truth there in what the CERN guys thought. Did the scientists at any point think "No, we should probably not do this"? Have they ever had this thought?
 
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Stabmaster Arson II said:
The hubris of man knows no bounds. I remember when CERN was running some experiments, and the news related some info from them that said "yeah, this might actually cause an event horizon that sucks all matter into it and destroys the earth. Just throwing that out there."
Even with journalist's famous flair for blowing something out of proportion, there was probably a kernel of truth there in what the CERN guys thought. Did the scientists at any point think "No, we should probably not do this"? Have they ever had this thought?
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iirc the first a-bomb test they took bets on if they would blow up the entire atmosphere of the planet
 
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Stabmaster Arson II said:
The hubris of man knows no bounds. I remember when CERN was running some experiments, and the news related some info from them that said "yeah, this might actually cause an event horizon that sucks all matter into it and destroys the earth. Just throwing that out there."
Even with journalist's famous flair for blowing something out of proportion, there was probably a kernel of truth there in what the CERN guys thought. Did the scientists at any point think "No, we should probably not do this"? Have they ever had this thought?
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Was that actually from a scientist, or was it just a journo? IIRC the scientists said it might make event horizons (i.e. micro-black holes) which journos said would destroy the Earth, but this is impossible under known science since the event horizon would be as small as an electron (or even smaller) and evaporate in nanoseconds, therefore the odds of it sucking in even a single subatomic particle (let alone more) are nil.
 
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Travoltron said:
I would say the former is worse. The latter is probably not admirable, but it's good to have those kind of people on your side. I suspect many on our side were the same way with the A-bomb. Obsessed with the tech side of it and unconcerned about the ramifications.
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For the A-bombs they were concerned about the ramifications. it is just it was the least worst option for the defeating the Japanese. Something journalists largely failed to understand as they bit onto Oppenheimer's quote and think one million plus American casualties and possible extinction of the Yamato people (Japanese) is the acceptable alternative.
 
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MCLOS Horthy said:
You got some kind of unprecedented ultra-top-secret super weapon you're setting off for experimental purposes soon?
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I do think you missed the joke. If I'm wrong, and the world *does* end in the next year... Sure I'll give you a jillion dollars. Good luck collecting on that bet though. Good thing nobody is dumb enough to actually accept that bet.
 
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HandsomeDan said:

a slip that there is a new ending being filmed, I guess the panic mode is really true.
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They could squeak by with last jedi and last skywalker because it didn't completely undo the character's very existence. Jeeze.

I may actually watch it if the ending isnt complete shit (aka killing off young indy) But if they somehow keep that they are going to lose a lot of money. While they are at it they should undo shia's death too. It's pointlessly dark and ive gone a lot softer on the man after his recent catholic conversion.
 
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