Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

We're gonna hit 2023 and we still have no clear info about who destroyed the pipelines and even the rocket misfire/incident/hell knows what that was was buried into nothingness.

>Pipelines
Que bono.
>Missle in Poland
Ukrainian accident that they tried to do a PR spin on, highly doubt it was a Ukrainian falseflag attempt unlike other pro-Russia posters.

 

[Doinker Marmalade]

A good cuck knows their place before even being told.

Say what you will about Russia's military blunders, but this whole thing has been nothing but extremely ballsy, and the reason so many people are sympathetic with Russia is because of how much self-determination and cojones they are displaying by standing up to the West.

 

[Cpt. Stud Beefpile]

Say what you will about Russia's military blunders, but this whole thing has been nothing but extremely ballsy, and the reason so many people are sympathetic with Russia is because of how much self-determination and cojones they are displaying by standing up to the West.

They're making a stand, all right, but they're standing with their hat on sideways, their pants on backwards, their shirt inside-out and the rifle in their hands is more rust than steel.

I'm beginning to have the faintest bit of sympathy for the average Russkie dragged into this mess. Bears being lead by an old grey poodle. Putin should have been shooting hoops with Zelensky's severed head sewed into a basketball inside of a month the first tank rolled across the border. They had...how many fucking DECADES to prepare, with nobody attacking them in the meantime, and the war is now into a winter stalemate? Possibly the first of several stalemates?

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

We're gonna hit 2023 and we still have no clear info about who destroyed the pipelines and even the rocket misfire/incident/hell knows what that was was buried into nothingness.

contrary to public belief/knowledge, i argue that ukraine blew rhe pipes to guarantee funding from EU. the US covered for them, of course

 

[teriyakiburns]

>Pipelines
Que bono.

Russia. The pipelines were already shut down, with little hope of them opening up again any time soon. Blowing them up provoked discord and accusations between Germany, America, Sweden and the UK, at least for a little while, and delayed Germany's provision of aid promised to Ukraine.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Uh huh. I'm sure wondering what would happen with all this debt if the status quo was broken.
See that funny percentage icon? It's a guillotine.

I don't think you understand how public borrowing works. Rich countries like the United States and those in Western Europe typically have high debt ratios because their economies are highly developed, and therefore highly financialized, and thus highly leveraged. The only reason Russia has a comparatively low debt profile is because it's an economic backwater no one wants to invest in, and government bonds show up on the balance sheet as debt.

Let's just compare the credit ratings of the countries you singled out to show how specious your argument is here: the United Kingdom and France both have a AA credit rating, while the United States is rated AA+, and Germany is rated at AAA. Russia, by comparison, is rated as NR (not rated), which is hardly surprising given their history of sovereign debt crises, but hardly a win for Russia in the comparison.

China is the outlier here because they're a manufacturing powerhouse and don't need to rely so much on selling securities, hence their low debt, but if presented with a choice between maintaining their economic ties with the West verses cutting those ties in favor of closer ties with Russia, it's a pretty easy one for the Chinese to make if they're pragmatic about their economic future, which they certainly are.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

I don't think you understand how public borrowing works. Rich countries like the United States and those in Western Europe typically have high debt ratios because their economies are highly developed, and therefore highly financialized, and thus highly leveraged. The only reason Russia has a comparatively low debt profile is because it's an economic backwater no one wants to invest in, and government bonds show up on the balance sheet as debt.

Let's just compare the credit ratings of the countries you singled out to show how specious your argument is here: the United Kingdom and France both have a AA credit rating, while the United States is rated AA+, and Germany is rated at AAA. Russia, by comparison, is rated as NR (not rated), which is hardly surprising given their history of sovereign debt crises, but hardly a win for Russia in the comparison.

China is the outlier here because they're a manufacturing powerhouse and don't need to rely so much on selling securities, hence their low debt, but if presented with a choice between maintaining their economic ties with the West verses cutting those ties in favor of closer ties with Russia, it's a pretty easy one for the Chinese to make if they're pragmatic about their economic future, which they certainly are.

This is not the thread for a discussion of the benefits/detriments of the US being a net debtor nation so all I will say is you're glossing over the general loss of production, lowering economic demand as worker's wages decline and stagnate, leading to a slow but steady decline in growth. This has always been an issue and most recently exploded in 2007-08 when juggling and reselling high risk mortgage loans exposed one of the pitfalls of this model. It's a fascinating topic, especially since China learned some hard lessons after the Asian financial crisis of 1997 and focused on lending rather than borrowing to stimulate growth.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

ITT retarded slavs and western masochistic nationalists fight over which corrupt stooge is the good guy.
I hope nobody wins, both nations collapse, and the supply of gas vanishes permanently. Fuck Europe, fuck Europeans, let it all burn.

I agree, but you're a moderator so fuck you.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

They're making a stand, all right, but they're standing with their hat on sideways, their pants on backwards, their shirt inside-out and the rifle in their hands is more rust than steel.

Maybe, but at least they've still got their manhood unlike our cucked brethren in the West where every day is Pride Day with a side of drag queen story hour.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Russia wasn't going to be using chemical or nuclear weapons regardless of what Biden or Xi said. The cons of both vastly outweigh any benefits.

Another thing that’s overlooked: the target isn’t hated enough.

We're gonna hit 2023 and we still have no clear info about who destroyed the pipelines and even the rocket misfire/incident/hell knows what that was was buried into nothingness.

I'm pretty well convinced that it was the US or some other western nation that destroyed the pipeline. I don't really see the benefit for Russia.

With regards to the missile, the story that it was a Ukrainian missile that went off-course seems believable. I don't think it was intentionally fired at Poland to spark article five, Zelensky and Co seemingly just jumped the gun massively and looked like retards.

Didn’t Putin indirectly say the West destroyed the pipelines, specifically Anglo-Saxons (which I can only assume means Americans and the British)?

 

[teriyakiburns]

Didn’t Putin indirectly say the West destroyed the pipelines, specifically Anglo-Saxons (which I can only assume means Americans and the British)?

Whenever Russians start blaming "anglo saxons", it's because they're calling back to the height of the Russian empire and the fact that it almost managed to be the equal of the British for a short period. Putin apparently thinks it's 1870 and the great game is still in full swing.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

I am in general agreement with the discussion of America's debt being bad. But as far as it being a death sentence? I disagree.

America's debt is so large that you have to turn back around to the lenders and ask them what they were thinking. A bunch of that money was given by the American public. And then large economies like China and Japan fill in the rest. The debt becomes a sunk cost for the lender at a certain point and they are trapped.

When you owe the bank $1,000,000, you've got a problem. When you owe the bank $24,000,000,000,000, the bank has a problem.

They can't call the debt because they know it can't be paid and they can't stop lending because they've built their house on the foundation of America's debt. It's fucking genius. Even if/when it all implodes, America still has the proverbial gun and can use that to take the bag of money that gets thrown out of the tumbling car.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Maybe, but at least they've still got their manhood unlike our cucked brethren in the West where every day is Pride Day with a side of drag queen story hour.

And is this conflict their last chance to keep it?

I am in general agreement with the discussion of America's debt being bad. But as far as it being a death sentence? I disagree.

America's debt is so large that you have to turn back around to the lenders and ask them what they were thinking. A bunch of that money was given by the American public. And then large economies like China and Japan fill in the rest. The debt becomes a sunk cost for the lender at a certain point and they are trapped.

When you owe the bank $1,000,000, you've got a problem. When you owe the bank $24,000,000,000,000, the bank has a problem.

They can't call the debt because they know it can't be paid and they can't stop lending because they've built their house on the foundation of America's debt. It's fucking genius. Even if/when it all implodes, America still has the proverbial gun and can use that to take the bag of money that gets thrown out of the tumbling car.

Can’t wait to see how that will stoke more resentment. And lead to more Putin cheerleaders.

 

[Unarmed Gunman]

And is this conflict their last chance to keep it?

If you've paid any attention how fast all this troonishness and general destruction of society has accelerated over the last 10 years, it was basically now or never.

 

[The Grognard]

Russia. The pipelines were already shut down, with little hope of them opening up again any time soon. Blowing them up provoked discord and accusations between Germany, America, Sweden and the UK, at least for a little while, and delayed Germany's provision of aid promised to Ukraine.

It was easily their most important tool of leverage to work as a carrot to pressure the whole EU into turning against this war. It would be the absolute dumbest move they could make because of the risks involved considering it's importance, location of the blasts and cost. We only are pretending that it wasn't done by the yanks because it would be an extremely inconvenient thing for the German government and EU to work around politically. At least, that one Polish boomer MEP was stupid enough to brag about the whole thing.

https://archive.vn/vYPmK

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

I don’t have a horse in this race really because who wins does not really affect me I would really just rather have an honest accounting of what is going on and I don’t understand how ukie bros can be so smug and happy as missile keep blowing up their country day in and day out. Sure they Russians have pulled back but they are still in Ukie territory and if they went full HAM could theoretically just crush you (but fuck if I am stating anything as fact because we have seen what such claims have ended up as foolish naivety).

Still jet fuel can’t melt steel pipelines, and the pipelines didn’t kill themselves it was probably an Navy Seal op.

 

[TheAntiCoomer]

Pipeline was 100% destroyed by someone from NATO, but good on them for not giving their enemy cash in hand to kill more Ukrainians with. Germany is too fucking cucked despite being the most economically powerful country in the EU and would have absolutely started sucking Putins cock if something wasn't done about it.

 

[mindlessobserver]

Pipeline was 100% destroyed by someone from NATO, but good on them for not giving their enemy cash in hand to kill more Ukrainians with. Germany is too fucking cucked despite being the most economically powerful country in the EU and would have absolutely started sucking Putins cock if something wasn't done about it.

To be fair, if this theory is true the US did give 4 years warning to the Germans. And they laughed. The video of the German delegation smuckling to themselves at the UN will never get old.

 

[St.Davis]

Didn’t Putin indirectly say the West destroyed the pipelines, specifically Anglo-Saxons (which I can only assume means Americans and the British)?

I think so, yes. What Putin says doesn't colour my perception of events as much as an objective assessment of facts does though. I think it is more likely to be the US than us Anglos.

Pipeline was 100% destroyed by someone from NATO, but good on them for not giving their enemy cash in hand to kill more Ukrainians with. Germany is too fucking cucked despite being the most economically powerful country in the EU and would have absolutely started sucking Putins cock if something wasn't done about it.

I would prefer to not waste tons of money in eastern Europe, and not have my heating bills skyrocket. As much disdain as I have for continental wogs, I would really have rather had the pipeline not explode.

 

[Gay_nig_from_outer_space]

Some mostly reasonable takes from actual Nazi American dude that went to fight for Ukraine /w Azov. Since there's so much sperging out about nazis, might be useful to hear from their own mouth. There are passages about Russian and DPR troops too that are also just normal warrior takes preserving dignity for their opponents, not Internet manlet sperging out about trannies and kikes crap. I've included the admission to war crimes too, as reality is always above propaganda and lies.

INTERVIEW WITH BONEFACE - US NEO NAZI, EX MEMBER OF AZOV BATTALION.

The first time I learned about Kent McLellan "Boneface" was through the investigation of Vasily Prozorov a former employee of the Ukrainian Security Services now uncovering the hidden truths of Ukraine on his channel UKRLEAKS. Then Boneface himself contacted my colleague Truthseeker77 wanting...

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Seems like a pretty high IQ dude and good info. Also it would explain why Azov "nationalist" "nazis" seemed to have no problems with killing other ethnic Rus/Eastern Slavs from 2014 on if many are indeed not Slavs at all but Chechens (also the foreigner tourist contingent from Sweden/Finland/The Baltics who just want to kill any Slav)

That's the thing, if the Ukrainian government actually were an approximation of a real nationalist government, i.e one that wasn't beholden to Russia or the United States, that would be something worth supporting. But all Ukraine has done politically with Maidan is going from a "flopflopper" under Kuchma and Yanukovich, taking advantage of it's position for gibs to just being an American tool.

And yes, like he mentioned Azov and Right Sector/Svoboda have had themselves attempted to be absorbed/destroyed by the Ukrainian government several times, but they still have the delusion that one day they will hold power in Ukraine or what remains of it after the war, as if their American masters would ever allow that.