Not Just Bikes / r/fuckcars / Urbanists / New Urbanism / Car-Free / Anti-Car - People and grifters who hate personal transport, freedom, cars, roads, suburbs, and are obsessed with city planning and urban design

[Meriasek]

Dunno where this obsession with euro cities comes from. It's very different everywhere. Inner city of Bologna for example is quite nice. No or very few cars, cycling lanes, arcades everywhere protect you from rain and sun. But outside the inner old town it's regular urban roads. In smaller cities like Modena you often don't even have sidewalks, and in the villages around cities it's even worse. Can't get around without cars, public transport is nonexistent.
When they masturbate over euro infrastructure they mean a very few select cities and areas in those cities.

 

[Amber the Hedgehog]

Dunno where this obsession with euro cities comes from. It's very different everywhere. Inner city of Bologna for example is quite nice. No or very few cars, cycling lanes, arcades everywhere protect you from rain and sun. But outside the inner old town it's regular urban roads. In smaller cities like Modena you often don't even have sidewalks, and in the villages around cities it's even worse. Can't get around without cars, public transport is nonexistent.
When they masturbate over euro infrastructure they mean a very few select cities and areas in those cities.

Because they are stuck teenage dreaming phase. You know teens think they are going to blossom when they get out of this stinking town or that they were born into the wrong decade? They think it's the environment what's wrong not them. Admittedly slightly mature version, as in they try keep their dreams in the real world but are so very selective about it that it might as well be fantasy.

Those few euro cities are so romantic in heads. They don't brake the illusion by accounting in that they are looking only one small part of the picture. Those neat looking areas aren't the norm for reason and need the normal urban around them to function. Services and useful good don't come from nothing, time is valuable and people need space. Trash has to go somewhere, peacefulness isn't automatic and fasion moves around.

 

[Tetra]

Those few euro cities are so romantic in heads. They don't brake the illusion by accounting in that they are looking only one small part of the picture. Those neat looking areas aren't the norm for reason and need the normal urban around them to function. Services and useful good don't come from nothing, time is valuable and people need space. Trash has to go somewhere, peacefulness isn't automatic and fasion moves around.

There is a word for that phenomenon: paris syndrome

 

[Return of the Freaker]

There is a word for that phenomenon: paris syndrome

Yeah I've heard of tourists falling into depression and shit, and that's before Paris became a Wakandan colony. How long until a redditor visits Amsterdam and is driven suicidal because THERES CARBRAINS IN THE NETHERLANDS?!

 

[Chuck McGill]

I have noticed that /r/fuckcars has much lower activity than it used to; it's fallen into the typical reddit pattern of a handful of posts having hundreds to thousands of upvotes with the vast majority of new posts only getting a single/double digit number of upvotes.

I've also noticed this. It seems to me like the anti-car movement got mainstream traction when the pandemic took off and people were locked indoors, then it got another big boost when gas prices skyrocketed earlier this year and people wanted alternatives. But now things are beginning to return to normal, or at least as normal as they'll be for a while. Not to mention they've taken a lot of L's recently and like any lefty movement that goes mainstream they start getting brazen and say the quiet parts out loud. The average 95 IQ normie will accept some bike lanes or expanded bus schedules, most of them are not keen on antifa deflating their tires and smashing out their windows and they definitely aren't keen on smug redditors telling them they should lay 10/gallon for gas. I've started noticing more division among their ranks, as the degrowth/Just Stop Oil types have filed in and are shrieking at people that use vehicles to move cargo or go across long non-urban distances.

Couldn't have happened to a nicer group of psuedo-commies. Reap what you sow bikecucks. And make sure you put on a helmet.

 

[2lolis1cup]

found this on R*ddit and it has everything these people love

• Globo homo cartoon style
• Anti-car
• Anti-suburbs
• Anti-capitalism
• Pro public transit
• sucking of their own dick.

I could only make it a couple of minutes until I wanted start chanting that I hated the anti christ.

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

found this on R*ddit and it has everything these people love

• Globo homo cartoon style
• Anti-car
• Anti-suburbs
• Anti-capitalism
• Pro public transit
• sucking of their own dick.

I could only make it a couple of minutes until I wanted start chanting that I hated the anti christ.

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"But the US is too dependent on cars, which is bad. Because you need cars to get everywhere and the cars are bad. Meanwhile in Europe the public transportation is good, so you don't need a car. Did I mention cars are bad? They're bad. Americans use too many cars. Meanwhile in Europe, they don't use cars, because cars are bad. Also, there's too many of them. But America is too dependent on cars..."

ad infinitum

 

[Oxous]

New Not Just Bikes video is out. This one is about a Dutch political party named GroenLinks that campaigned partly on removing 10,000 parking spots by 2025 in the 2018 Amsterdam municipal elections.

Highlights:

Spoiler: TL;DR

• "They won a landslide victory... well, as much of a landslide as you can have in an election with a dozen parties" (GroenLinks only got 4% more of the vote than the next-place party)
• Complains about the roads and an elevated expressway in the city he moved to the Netherlands from
• "Car owners are very, very, very entitled and feel that they're owed cheap or even free parking everywhere they go"
  • "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"
• Complains that drivers are too privileged in Amsterdam, consuming "a majority of the public space"
• Cites that thing Toronto did where they converted parking spots into extra restaurant seating and claims it brought in 50 times as much revenue as the parking fees did, plus a few other experiments in SF and Japan
  • "Another problem with street parking is that it's usually far too cheap"
• Accuses anyone who opposes removing street parking of concern-trolling and being "entitled jerks"
• Snide joke about only needing to use all the space in your SUV once a year
• Amsterdam building a 600-car parking garage underground to remove parking spots on the streets isn't good enough for Not Just Bikes, though he stops just short of saying the spots shouldn't exist and argues instead that too much money is being spent to provide the spots
• Amsterdam city center not pedestrianized enough :^(
• People who insist on biking on car-centric roads = good, people who insist on driving on pedestrian-centric roads = problematic
• Can't understand why people would choose to drive of their own free will in Amsterdam
• "As long as this parking garage exists, people will want to use it"

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[Markass the Worst]

New Not Just Bikes video is out. This one is about a Dutch political party named GroenLinks that campaigned partly on removing 10,000 parking spots by 2025 in the 2018 Amsterdam municipal elections.

Highlights:

Spoiler: TL;DR

• "They won a landslide victory... well, as much of a landslide as you can have in an election with a dozen parties" (GroenLinks only got 4% more of the vote than the next-place party)
• Complains about the roads and an elevated expressway in the city he moved to the Netherlands from
• "Car owners are very, very, very entitled and feel that they're owed cheap or even free parking everywhere they go"
  • "When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression"
• Complains that drivers are too privileged in Amsterdam, consuming "a majority of the public space"
• Cites that thing Toronto did where they converted parking spots into extra restaurant seating and claims it brought in 50 times as much revenue as the parking fees did, plus a few other experiments in SF and Japan
  • "Another problem with street parking is that it's usually far too cheap"
• Accuses anyone who opposes removing street parking of concern-trolling and being "entitled jerks"
• Snide joke about only needing to use all the space in your SUV once a year
• Amsterdam building a 600-car parking garage underground to remove parking spots on the streets isn't good enough for Not Just Bikes, though he stops just short of saying the spots shouldn't exist and argues instead that too much money is being spent to provide the spots
• Amsterdam city center not pedestrianized enough :^(
• People who insist on biking on car-centric roads = good, people who insist on driving on pedestrian-centric roads = problematic
• Can't understand why people would choose to drive of their own free will in Amsterdam
• "As long as this parking garage exists, people will want to use it"

• 
  

Archive because he doesn't deserve views.

This just goes to show what I've been saying all along. Even in an intermodal city like Amsterdam it's still not good enough for people like Jason until all the cars are banned. It's not enough to pedestrianize areas and do traffic calming and get half the population on bicycles, trams, buses and high speed rail, urbanists simply want cars gone, period. I've posted before in this thread how he complains there's too many cars in Amsterdam (yet all other cities, especially North American, are worse) and says that the quality of a city increases as the number of cars decreases.

Cites that thing Toronto did where they converted parking spots into extra restaurant seating and claims it brought in 50 times as much revenue as the parking fees did, plus a few other experiments in SF and Japan

I have yet to see a study of this form that compares apples to apples. Parking fees is not restaurant revenue, they should be counting the revenue to the restaurant from people parking.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

• Complains that drivers are too privileged in Amsterdam, consuming "a majority of the public space"
• Amsterdam building a 600-car parking garage underground to remove parking spots on the streets isn't good enough for Not Just Bikes, though he stops just short of saying the spots shouldn't exist and argues instead that too much money is being spent to provide the spots
• Amsterdam city center not pedestrianized enough :^(
• Can't understand why people would choose to drive of their own free will in Amsterdam
• "As long as this parking garage exists, people will want to use it"

Is he.....admitting people in Amsterdam (PBUI)....still want...c*rs? B-but I thought Amsterdam (PBUI) was our holy Jerusalem away from c*rbrains?! Bikechads, I don't feel so good...

 

[quaawaa]

I have yet to see a study of this form that compares apples to apples. Parking fees is not restaurant revenue, they should be counting the revenue to the restaurant from people parking.

Whenever someone uses odd statistics to prove a point, it’s typically because they tried the correct ones first and discovered that they didn’t support their argument.

So in this case, I bet the restaurants lost more money from customers who could no longer drive to them than they gained from the extra tables.

 

[Chuck McGill]

Really the fact that highly pedestrianized cities like Amsterdam still have cars should be a deathknell to the urbanist argument. Urbanists will argue all day long that we're chained to our cars and if only those dang dirty city planners would allow some buses and bike lanes the people would use them and send their cars to the scrap heap. Yet we look at these cities and we see people still want to drive. So they don't even have the consent of the people behind them, meaning all they have left is typical Communist hooey. Oh if only the unwashed plebs would just listen to me we'd all be in a land of milk and honey.

 

[Lord Quackers]

What I hate most about NJB is how he seems to miss out that not everyone is a wealthy bourgeois like him who works in a office answering emails all day. Some of us need mobility for job security and advancement.

 

[Xarpho's Return]

What I hate most about NJB is how he seems to miss out that not everyone is a wealthy bourgeois like him who works in a office answering emails all day. Some of us need mobility for job security and advancement.

We don't know a lot of information of Jason but the most charitable explanation of his current "work" and lifestyle is he made a lot of money working in Silicon Valley and semi-retired to Amsterdam to make highly-produced bicycle videos.

Good for him I guess but that's hardly a man who has any knowledge or empathy for the common person, and shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[TowinKarz]

What I hate most about NJB is how he seems to miss out that not everyone is a wealthy bourgeois like him who works in a office answering emails all day. Some of us need mobility for job security and advancement.

Case in point, I work for the County in the highway department. I have a primary worksite I report to for the day that's only 5 minutes away that I could theoretically bike to.

But, depending on the needs of the county, what equipment is available where, and who calls off sick, etc, I could be called up the night before and told to report to any of 12 other locations, 3 or 4 of which are on the literal OTHER side of the County, a 45 -55 minute drive, there is no cross-county mass transit, absolutely NO WAY to do it on a bike.

And if it snows? I could be out there at 4am with only 2 hours of heads-up to wake up, eat, shower and get out there.


Same for those emergency call-outs, where I have to, under terms of my employment, be mustered and on-site in 30 minutes because a tree/power line is down and they can't wait for me to bike in , in pitch black if its say, 2AM, and in bad weather, very likely if trees are down.

There simply is no realistic way for me to have this job if I don't have my own personal vehicle.

Its not carbrain, its carJOB

 

[Markass the Worst]

It's time for a rare yet retarded NJB take on crime.

This time he's reacting to a police chase. Guess who or what he's going to blame it on...


source (a)

If you guessed traffic engineers, you're a winner.

Seriously though urbanists really hate traffic engineers for some baffling reason. They're treated like the second worst spawn of Satan right after cars. Imagine being an unknown nameless civil engineer for the government just doing your job then suddenly you or your department gets a ton of hate from a rabid clique of egotistical extremely online maniacs for the unholy sin of building roads. It's what happened to MoDOT, after all.

Jason also misses other potential factors, like that this is in California where you're more likely to be prosecuted and jailed for calling a child grooming tranny pedophile a child grooming tranny pedophile than for committing 36 felonies over 10 years. The suspect in the video hasn't been publicly identified yet but I'm willing to bet he's one of those frequent fliers that judges just keep letting go because liberalism and 'restorative justice' or whatever.

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How do urbanists keep their beliefs in the face of contradicting evidence, you ask? Simple, any counterargument is dismissed as a "troll post":



You can look at the tweet for yourself, I see no indications that Tristin is trolling. Jason thinks differently:


source (a)

He's sooo close to learning a valuable lesson about all journoscum... he won't though.

He's right about Tristin leaning right, but funnily enough Tristin wants transit and density, not sure how that is pro-fossil fuels:

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Jason retweeted this so it's going here too. The crew of the Well There's Your Problem Podcast look a bit... wide:

Spoiler: full image

source (a)

Also note the "Alice" troon on the screen being a hijab-wearing guy for whatever reason?

 

[Tealeaf]

Its not carbrain, its carJOB

You have infinite understanding for people who for the flimsiest reason absolutely need a car with no alternatives available, but none for people who desire not to have their lives defined by the car.

I am willing to accept work vehicles and delivery vans and emergency vehicles on my street, but not car commuters. Is that truly too much to ask? How hard is it for people who self righteously want to commute by car to just live somewhere else? There are plenty of places that bend over backwards to enable their lifestyle, but none for me. The places that I enjoy are full of people far richer than me who do their best ruining them with their cars. And then laugh to my face that it’s not a place that everyone (particularly not me) should be able to afford. Ridiculous! This whole car-free stuff should not be offensive to anyone. It’s beautiful and great.

 

[TowinKarz]

You have infinite understanding for people who for the flimsiest reason absolutely need a car with no alternatives available, but none for people who desire not to have their lives defined by the car.

Yes, I do, because THAT'S ME! That "Flimsy" reason I'm using is ALTERNATIVES DON'T EXIST.

If you want to live your life not defined by the car? I'm not going to stop you and demand you start driving, but, it's unreasonable to expect me to join you or to say the fact I wont is proof of some great moral fallacy on my part. You wanna paint your house pink? Have at it, but don't demand I start repainting mine to match because you don't want to see a grey house out your window and tag my refusal to use my money and time to accommodate your lifestyle choice as a "flimsy excuse".

I am willing to accept work vehicles and delivery vans and emergency vehicles on my street, but not car commuters. Is that truly too much to ask?

Yes, because without my personal car to get to work, those work and emergency vehicles won't show up. I don't get to take the tri-axle snowplow home with me, and even if I could, there's nowhere to park it. If I can't get to work, your roads don't get plowed when it snows and the ambulance can't get through, you have to let the workers get to work if you want to benefit from their services. Surely you know that..... food doesn't just magically spawn in the backrooms of groceries, it has to get there by truck and then be preped and sold by employees, all of whom have to drive to the grocery store to do that. That's why the roads are full of commuters, not because it's a hobby, its because we have JOBS.

How hard is it for people who self righteously want to commute by car to just live somewhere else?

Okay, where should I have lived instead of rural Pennsyltucky? Where I was born? Once you've identified that location, are you going to buy me out of my lease so I can move? And pay for my gas? Uh-oh, moving means I'd have to use a road, and that's a no-no! Its not a question of self-righteousness, it's survival. How am I going to eat without a job? How am I going to hold down a job if I can't get to work? (And plowing snow/filling potholes can't be done on a Zoom call)

There are plenty of places that bend over backwards to enable their lifestyle, but none for me. The places that I enjoy are full of people far richer than me who do their best ruining them with their cars. And then laugh to my face that it’s not a place that everyone (particularly not me) should be able to afford. Ridiculous!

But you just said to me that I should "just live somewhere else" and if I won't I'm the bad guy? Rules for me not for thee? Upset you're being told you can't live "here" while turning around and telling me to "just go live over there" .

This whole car-free stuff should not be offensive to anyone. It’s beautiful and great.

It's also ignorant of the situation a lot of the world lives in. If you want to be that way? Fine. What's offensive is you ignorantly dismissing everyone who doesn't want to live that way, by choice (small number who ARE passionate about cars) or necessity (me, and the great unwashed masses, who have to get to work in the morning) as if we are doing it just to slight you and make everyone else miserable.

 

[MS Paint Gigachad]

"But the US is too dependent on cars, which is bad. Because you need cars to get everywhere and the cars are bad. Meanwhile in Europe the public transportation is good, so you don't need a car. Did I mention cars are bad? They're bad. Americans use too many cars. Meanwhile in Europe, they don't use cars, because cars are bad. Also, there's too many of them. But America is too dependent on cars..."

ad infinitum

you forgot the "in amerika yuo need cars more than you need oxygen! alright that was an exaggeration but you get the point. trying to get around in america without a car is like trying to survive jumping off the empire state building! alright that was hyperbole. in america yuo need gasoline more than you need water! alright we exaggerated a bit..." ad infinitum

holy hell, i could only make it in 5 minutes because the fucker keeps looping back

 

[Blatant hypocrite]

Yes, I do, because THAT'S ME! That "Flimsy" reason I'm using is ALTERNATIVES DON'T EXIST.

If you want to live your life not defined by the car? I'm not going to stop you and demand you start driving, but, it's unreasonable to expect me to join you or to say the fact I wont is proof of some great moral fallacy on my part. You wanna paint your house pink? Have at it, but don't demand I start repainting mine to match because you don't want to see a grey house out your window and tag my refusal to use my money and time to accommodate your lifestyle choice as a "flimsy excuse".



Yes, because without my personal car to get to work, those work and emergency vehicles won't show up. I don't get to take the tri-axle snowplow home with me, and even if I could, there's nowhere to park it. If I can't get to work, your roads don't get plowed when it snows and the ambulance can't get through, you have to let the workers get to work if you want to benefit from their services. Surely you know that..... food doesn't just magically spawn in the backrooms of groceries, it has to get there by truck and then be preped and sold by employees, all of whom have to drive to the grocery store to do that. That's why the roads are full of commuters, not because it's a hobby, its because we have JOBS.


Okay, where should I have lived instead of rural Pennsyltucky? Where I was born? Once you've identified that location, are you going to buy me out of my lease so I can move? And pay for my gas? Uh-oh, moving means I'd have to use a road, and that's a no-no! Its not a question of self-righteousness, it's survival. How am I going to eat without a job? How am I going to hold down a job if I can't get to work? (And plowing snow/filling potholes can't be done on a Zoom call)



But you just said to me that I should "just live somewhere else" and if I won't I'm the bad guy? Rules for me not for thee? Upset you're being told you can't live "here" while turning around and telling me to "just go live over there" .


It's also ignorant of the situation a lot of the world lives in. If you want to be that way? Fine. What's offensive is you ignorantly dismissing everyone who doesn't want to live that way, by choice (small number who ARE passionate about cars) or necessity (me, and the great unwashed masses, who have to get to work in the morning) as if we are doing it just to slight you and make everyone else miserable.

He has the rather silly notion that "car infrastructure" is some kind of special accommodation. When in practice a car is more like the default option, a car exists when nothing else is present or nothing else will do, and continues to exist unless you ban it specifically. Who exactly is bending over for whom?