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He has the rather silly notion that "car infrastructure" is some kind of special accommodation. When in practice a car is more like the default option, a car exists when nothing else is present or nothing else will do, and continues to exist unless you ban it specifically. Who exactly is bending over for whom?

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IF it was Adam Something I'd accuse him of psychological projection. But anyway since I dont think ive seen his last vid here im linking it. The screenshot and title roughly sums it up.
"NOOOO YOU CANT JUST MARK A LANE AS BEING FOR BIKES, PAINT A SYMBOL ON IT AND CALL IT A HECKING BIKE LANE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A CONCRETE BARRIER AND SHIT"
 
Yes, I do, because THAT'S ME! That "Flimsy" reason I'm using is ALTERNATIVES DON'T EXIST.

If you want to live your life not defined by the car? I'm not going to stop you and demand you start driving, but, it's unreasonable to expect me to join you or to say the fact I wont is proof of some great moral fallacy on my part. You wanna paint your house pink? Have at it, but don't demand I start repainting mine to match because you don't want to see a grey house out your window and tag my refusal to use my money and time to accommodate your lifestyle choice as a "flimsy excuse".
You claim you don't mind people living a different lifestyle from yours. And yet:
Yes, because without my personal car to get to work, those work and emergency vehicles won't show up. I don't get to take the tri-axle snowplow home with me, and even if I could, there's nowhere to park it. If I can't get to work, your roads don't get plowed when it snows and the ambulance can't get through, you have to let the workers get to work if you want to benefit from their services. Surely you know that..... food doesn't just magically spawn in the backrooms of groceries, it has to get there by truck and then be preped and sold by employees, all of whom have to drive to the grocery store to do that. That's why the roads are full of commuters, not because it's a hobby, its because we have JOBS.
You then completely deny that my lifestyle is even POSSIBLE. This is very simply untrue. Think about it. None of what you claim requires everyone, everywhere to commute by car. God forbid there's a logistics-oriented area somewhere near a highway that can dispatch trucks to a place where you can't commute by car. Some urban district or two where personal cars are simply not accommodated does not break society. Calm down, society still works. Just don't drive there. Drive literally anywhere else and pretend the places you can't drive to don't exist.
Okay, where should I have lived instead of rural Pennsyltucky? Where I was born? Once you've identified that location, are you going to buy me out of my lease so I can move? And pay for my gas? Uh-oh, moving means I'd have to use a road, and that's a no-no! Its not a question of self-righteousness, it's survival. How am I going to eat without a job? How am I going to hold down a job if I can't get to work? (And plowing snow/filling potholes can't be done on a Zoom call)
You do you. I never demanded you live any in any specific way. I just wanted you to not actively fuck up my way of life. Your way of life is not threatened in any way. Is that too much to ask?
But you just said to me that I should "just live somewhere else" and if I won't I'm the bad guy? Rules for me not for thee? Upset you're being told you can't live "here" while turning around and telling me to "just go live over there" .
I'm willing to move far and beyond if there's literally anywhere that is better. For me, it involves gathering a lot of money, moving to a new country, learning a new language and culture, finding new friends and family, finding a new job and giving up everything I have here where I've born and raised. I can't do that on a whim.

But you and people like you object to the very concept of that kind of place anywhere, let alone close to my roots. I'm the unreasonable bad guy here.
It's also ignorant of the situation a lot of the world lives in. If you want to be that way? Fine. What's offensive is you ignorantly dismissing everyone who doesn't want to live that way, by choice (small number who ARE passionate about cars) or necessity (me, and the great unwashed masses, who have to get to work in the morning) as if we are doing it just to slight you and make everyone else miserable.
You are ignorant of my situation, my life and my wants and needs. You are offensive and dismissing my dreams and choices. I am passionate about a great urban place I wish I could call home.

He has the rather silly notion that "car infrastructure" is some kind of special accommodation. When in practice a car is more like the default option, a car exists when nothing else is present or nothing else will do, and continues to exist unless you ban it specifically. Who exactly is bending over for whom?
Streets are built specifically to accommodate different uses. The car is only a default if it's built as such. If a street is too narrow to drive a car in, is that a deliberate act of banning cars, or just a street that's not built to accommodate cars as you can still walk it?
 
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IF it was Adam Something I'd accuse him of psychological projection. But anyway since I dont think ive seen his last vid here im linking it. The screenshot and title roughly sums it up.
"NOOOO YOU CANT JUST MARK A LANE AS BEING FOR BIKES, PAINT A SYMBOL ON IT AND CALL IT A HECKING BIKE LANE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A CONCRETE BARRIER AND SHIT"
Concrete lane barriers are useless for safety because they disappear at intersections in order to allow people to turn. Intersections are where the majority of bike-car accidents occur as it is very rare for a car to deliberately drive into a bike (and if they want to, a small curb won't do anything to stop a car). Their real purpose is to make it expensive to remove a bike lane.
 
Seriously though urbanists really hate traffic engineers for some baffling reason. They're treated like the second worst spawn of Satan right after cars. Imagine being an unknown nameless civil engineer for the government just doing your job then suddenly you or your department gets a ton of hate from a rabid clique of egotistical extremely online maniacs for the unholy sin of building roads. It's what happened to MoDOT, after all.
Objection! they are only the 4th worst spawn of Satan.

"Hey Mark, can you help me out with this intersection."
"Sure thing Satan. What can I do for you?"
"The boys down at the -25th floor found out how badly Americans drive on roundabouts."
"okay"
"We have this major intersection with odd number lanes and multiple businesses that we need to fuck up."
"Oh wow I don't know if I can sell that design to the humans. They might catch on."
"Don't worry about it we have you covered down here."

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Streets are built specifically to accommodate different uses. The car is only a default if it's built as such. If a street is too narrow to drive a car in, is that a deliberate act of banning cars, or just a street that's not built to accommodate cars as you can still walk it?
I believe we call those "alleys" and they exist in every city. When you put it that way, all cities are pretty hostile to cars, don't you think?

By contrast, a car can easily travel on an unimproved road, or a gravel road, or really any piece of flat and firm ground. If the weather is too cold or too hot for a human to survive, a car can mitigate it. If you pave over a piece of land for a bus or a truck or a tram, a car can enjoy it too, unless you specifically ban cars from using it.
 
"NOOOO YOU CANT JUST MARK A LANE AS BEING FOR BIKES, PAINT A SYMBOL ON IT AND CALL IT A HECKING BIKE LANE YOU HAVE TO BUILD A CONCRETE BARRIER AND SHIT"
That's not a bike lane, that's just a normal lane with a marking to indicate that bikes may be riding in it.
There's really no reason for it. Either there's enough bike traffic to take a lane for bikes or there isn't. The stupid "sharrows" (share arrows) are just dumb. That looks like a major road so I'm guessing most bikes would avoid it when possible.
 
Concrete lane barriers are useless for safety because they disappear at intersections in order to allow people to turn. Intersections are where the majority of bike-car accidents occur as it is very rare for a car to deliberately drive into a bike (and if they want to, a small curb won't do anything to stop a car). Their real purpose is to make it expensive to remove a bike lane.
I guess one thing about concrete lane barriers prevent water from building up in the bike lanes in rain, but that means more cars running through water and creating splash areas.

MUPs (multi-use paths, basically extra-wide sidewalks) should be a solution that benefits everyone but they hate them for some reason, probably because it doesn't punish cars enough.

You have infinite understanding for people who for the flimsiest reason absolutely need a car with no alternatives available, but none for people who desire not to have their lives defined by the car.

I am willing to accept work vehicles and delivery vans and emergency vehicles on my street, but not car commuters. Is that truly too much to ask? How hard is it for people who self righteously want to commute by car to just live somewhere else? There are plenty of places that bend over backwards to enable their lifestyle, but none for me. The places that I enjoy are full of people far richer than me who do their best ruining them with their cars. And then laugh to my face that it’s not a place that everyone (particularly not me) should be able to afford. Ridiculous! This whole car-free stuff should not be offensive to anyone. It’s beautiful and great.

If you spent any time reading this thread, it's not just "I want to move to a neighborhood where I don't need a car", because all neighborhoods are different and some people value certain things over others and spend their money differently. The problem is that a good number of these people are ideologues who will not accept ANY other alternative and have an entire dogma that allows them to disregard reality, even if that dogma is actually highly misleading. They cannot accept suburban living because according to them such a thing shouldn't exist as urban areas "subsidize" cars and "car-centric infrastructure" (and don't think you're safe if you live in a small town either).

They don't even like pedestrian infrastructure if it has a tangible benefit to cars.
"A new well-lit pedestrian underpass? Fuck that, it means that traffic can now continue unimpeded on the surface!"
 
You claim you don't mind people living a different lifestyle from yours. And yet:

You then completely deny that my lifestyle is even POSSIBLE. This is very simply untrue. Think about it. None of what you claim requires everyone, everywhere to commute by car. God forbid there's a logistics-oriented area somewhere near a highway that can dispatch trucks to a place where you can't commute by car. Some urban district or two where personal cars are simply not accommodated does not break society. Calm down, society still works. Just don't drive there. Drive literally anywhere else and pretend the places you can't drive to don't exist.

You do you. I never demanded you live any in any specific way. I just wanted you to not actively fuck up my way of life. Your way of life is not threatened in any way. Is that too much to ask?

I'm willing to move far and beyond if there's literally anywhere that is better. For me, it involves gathering a lot of money, moving to a new country, learning a new language and culture, finding new friends and family, finding a new job and giving up everything I have here where I've born and raised. I can't do that on a whim.

But you and people like you object to the very concept of that kind of place anywhere, let alone close to my roots. I'm the unreasonable bad guy here.

You are ignorant of my situation, my life and my wants and needs. You are offensive and dismissing my dreams and choices. I am passionate about a great urban place I wish I could call home.


Streets are built specifically to accommodate different uses. The car is only a default if it's built as such. If a street is too narrow to drive a car in, is that a deliberate act of banning cars, or just a street that's not built to accommodate cars as you can still walk it?
My brother in Christ, I say this as a carless urban dweller: lol calm down.
 
I'm willing to move far and beyond if there's literally anywhere that is better. For me, it involves gathering a lot of money, moving to a new country, learning a new language and culture, finding new friends and family, finding a new job and giving up everything I have here where I've born and raised. I can't do that on a whim.

But you and people like you object to the very concept of that kind of place anywhere, let alone close to my roots. I'm the unreasonable bad guy here.
I don't know where you live but I can give you a car free place where learning a new language isn't an issue. Mackinac Island, located in Lake Huron, between the lower and upper peninsulas of Michigan, is completely car-free (with the exception of a few emergency and occasional maintenance vehicles). Although in winter they use snowmobiles so not completely of private motor vehicles free but pretty much as close you can get. They don't even allow electric bikes, scooters or seaways without doctors note. Summer, spring and fall the island is for basic bikes and horses.

Just to note I haven't personally been there, just heard about from touristy sources so I can't say anything about actually living there.
 
The "serious" versions always make the critical error of assuming that everyone is going to the same place. If there's some sort of park and ride with a destination (like a zoo) then it makes sense but for most routes it does not. If you go driving, the people around you will constantly change, turn off and on, etc., the only exception is if you're going down a highway and that will disappear the second they reach their city destination. On road trips, going down the numbered highways, 21, 6, 290, 35, I'm often near the same vehicles for miles. But once I actually get off the highway and go other places, they're gone.

I think a large part of the "urban planner" mindset--besides the outright fabrications and propaganda...is that they only see numbers and apply them to the real world. Creating high numbers in mass transit looks great on paper, but it doesn't work in reality unless you think slave ships were the pinnacle of human transportation efficiency.
I disagree. I actually think there’s a ton of merit to most of what they say. Trains can be super efficient and if done well comfortable and populated. I think fundamentally they’re right that walkable, transit oriented cities are the future and are the best way to do things. The issue is they’re so smug and self assured I don’t care that they’re right, I want to own a gas guzzler and drive to the wall greens a few blocks over to spite them.
 
We don't know a lot of information of Jason but the most charitable explanation of his current "work" and lifestyle is he made a lot of money working in Silicon Valley and semi-retired to Amsterdam to make highly-produced bicycle videos.

Good for him I guess but that's hardly a man who has any knowledge or empathy for the common person, and shouldn't be taken seriously.
Perhaps he is on a quest to purge anyone/thing that would spoil his picture-postcard aspirations

He seems like the type to complain about gentrification but is also the exact type causing it. There's a lot of naked snobbery in some of his videos - one where he cringed at the idea of a weatherspoons pub opening in his area, for example.
 
You have infinite understanding for people who for the flimsiest reason absolutely need a car with no alternatives available, but none for people who desire not to have their lives defined by the car.

I am willing to accept work vehicles and delivery vans and emergency vehicles on my street, but not car commuters. Is that truly too much to ask? How hard is it for people who self righteously want to commute by car to just live somewhere else? There are plenty of places that bend over backwards to enable their lifestyle, but none for me. The places that I enjoy are full of people far richer than me who do their best ruining them with their cars. And then laugh to my face that it’s not a place that everyone (particularly not me) should be able to afford. Ridiculous! This whole car-free stuff should not be offensive to anyone. It’s beautiful and great.
I agree. No one should have a car. Cars are useless luxuries.

Everyone should have a Truck. Far more useful, safer, and overall better. I recommend a Silverado.
 
You claim you don't mind people living a different lifestyle from yours. And yet:

You then completely deny that my lifestyle is even POSSIBLE. This is very simply untrue. Think about it. None of what you claim requires everyone, everywhere to commute by car. God forbid there's a logistics-oriented area somewhere near a highway that can dispatch trucks to a place where you can't commute by car. Some urban district or two where personal cars are simply not accommodated does not break society. Calm down, society still works. Just don't drive there. Drive literally anywhere else and pretend the places you can't drive to don't exist.

You do you. I never demanded you live any in any specific way. I just wanted you to not actively fuck up my way of life. Your way of life is not threatened in any way. Is that too much to ask?

I'm willing to move far and beyond if there's literally anywhere that is better. For me, it involves gathering a lot of money, moving to a new country, learning a new language and culture, finding new friends and family, finding a new job and giving up everything I have here where I've born and raised. I can't do that on a whim.

But you and people like you object to the very concept of that kind of place anywhere, let alone close to my roots. I'm the unreasonable bad guy here.

You are ignorant of my situation, my life and my wants and needs. You are offensive and dismissing my dreams and choices. I am passionate about a great urban place I wish I could call home.


Streets are built specifically to accommodate different uses. The car is only a default if it's built as such. If a street is too narrow to drive a car in, is that a deliberate act of banning cars, or just a street that's not built to accommodate cars as you can still walk it?
I'm just gonna do the Canadian thing and strongly suggest you kill yourself.

That being said, being currently on job hunt I hope I get something where I can be as car-free as now. I like my city, it has very good bike infrastructure and is also very walkable, on account of being not very big. If I don't get to stay here I hope I get at least a city that's somewhat similar.
 
Objection! they are only the 4th worst spawn of Satan.

"Hey Mark, can you help me out with this intersection."
"Sure thing Satan. What can I do for you?"
"The boys down at the -25th floor found out how badly Americans drive on roundabouts."
"okay"
"We have this major intersection with odd number lanes and multiple businesses that we need to fuck up."
"Oh wow I don't know if I can sell that design to the humans. They might catch on."
"Don't worry about it we have you covered down here."

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Roundabouts are another thing European-loving Americans are absolutely obsessed with, supposedly because of safety or efficiencybut actually because it’s “road calming” and makes it more irritating to drive.
 
Is that truly too much to ask? How hard is it for people who self righteously want to commute by car to just live somewhere else?
Alternatives already exist for you...
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Henry David Thoreau cabin at Walden Pond

Am I a facetious bastard?

Yes.

But unless you neighborhood already prohibits cars you are making the choice for other people and forcing them to live according to your will.

Perhaps you should join a community that is designed to be car free..

All this reminds me of Communists and Socialists of today that cannot create but only take over and leech what is created by capitalist society.
 
Roundabouts are another thing European-loving Americans are absolutely obsessed with, supposedly because of safety or efficiencybut actually because it’s “road calming” and makes it more irritating to drive.
Not really. They aren't an every corner thing at all but well situated round abouts are great. They can make semi busy intersections much easier because you only have to see and pay attention to who is in the circle and unlike with lights round about allows someone always be moving. This especially useful if you have intersection where you do get regular traffic from and to all directions but not evenly. That to be said some of them need lights nearby to section the traffic so that all directions can get in easily. Round abouts are only sometimes food.
 
Not really. They aren't an every corner thing at all but well situated round abouts are great. They can make semi busy intersections much easier because you only have to see and pay attention to who is in the circle and unlike with lights round about allows someone always be moving. This especially useful if you have intersection where you do get regular traffic from and to all directions but not evenly. That to be said some of them need lights nearby to section the traffic so that all directions can get in easily. Round abouts are only sometimes food.
Sadly Americans don't understand them and stop at entrances when there is no traffic and then go around them at 5 miles an hour, which then cause other people to think they can jump in front of them and then when you're like me and don't slow down more than necessary almost hit them since they don't understand Yield. And of course some jurisdictions put actual stop signs at the entrances.

TLDR: People suck at driving. Governments suck at roads.
 
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