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A heated row has broken out over a move by Britain's largest bakery chain to launch a vegan sausage roll.

The pastry, which is filled with a meat substitute and encased in 96 pastry layers, is available in 950 Greggs stores across the country.

It was promised after 20,000 people signed a petition calling for the snack to be launched to accommodate plant-based diet eaters.


But the vegan sausage roll's launch has been greeted by a mixed reaction: Some consumers welcomed it, while others voiced their objections.

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Cook and food poverty campaigner Jack Monroe declared she was "frantically googling to see what time my nearest opens tomorrow morning because I will be outside".

While TV writer Brydie Lee-Kennedy called herself "very pro the Greggs vegan sausage roll because anything that wrenches veganism back from the 'clean eating' wellness folk is a good thing".

One Twitter user wrote that finding vegan sausage rolls missing from a store in Corby had "ruined my morning".

Another said: "My son is allergic to dairy products which means I can't really go to Greggs when he's with me. Now I can. Thank you vegans."

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TV presenter Piers Morgan led the charge of those outraged by the new roll.

"Nobody was waiting for a vegan bloody sausage, you PC-ravaged clowns," he wrote on Twitter.

Mr Morgan later complained at receiving "howling abuse from vegans", adding: "I get it, you're all hangry. I would be too if I only ate plants and gruel."

Another Twitter user said: "I really struggle to believe that 20,000 vegans are that desperate to eat in a Greggs."

"You don't paint a mustach (sic) on the Mona Lisa and you don't mess with the perfect sausage roll," one quipped.

Journalist Nooruddean Choudry suggested Greggs introduce a halal steak bake to "crank the fume levels right up to 11".

The bakery chain told concerned customers that "change is good" and that there would "always be a classic sausage roll".

It comes on the same day McDonald's launched its first vegetarian "Happy Meal", designed for children.

The new dish comes with a "veggie wrap", instead of the usual chicken or beef option.

It should be noted that Piers Morgan and Greggs share the same PR firm, so I'm thinking this is some serious faux outrage and South Park KKK gambiting here.
 
Bongs, I have questions to you. Why is your king sitting on the floor like a common pleb, and who replaced his fingers with sausages?
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It's a Sikh thing; when you're inside the prayer hall, you sit on the ground, meant to symbolise that all are equal before God, a carry-over from when the religion was young and trying to stamp out shit like castes.
 
It's a Sikh thing; when you're inside the prayer hall, you sit on the ground, meant to symbolise that all are equal before God, a carry-over from when the religion was young and trying to stamp out shit like castes.
Well, when in Rome...

What's up with the fingers, though?
 
What's up with the fingers, though?
It's been speculated it's related to some health issue, and he might not be long for the throne. If William gets in before his last few remaining hairs turn grey, expect the monarchy to have quite the revival, as he is rather popular.

Liz had been around so long everyone half thought the monarchy would be very shaky when Charles gets in, as he's a bit of a prat at times. His son seems remarkably scandal free. Having said that, I've noticed the monarchists just switched to Charles seamlessly, and there doesnt seem to be any drop in support.
 
My personal opinion is arthritis, but I don't think the Royal Household has divulged the exact reason why, he's getting pretty hold, and unlike Liz, he doesn't look like he's going to last long.
It's been speculated it's related to some health issue, and he might not be long for the throne. If William gets in before his last few remaining hairs turn grey, expect the monarchy to have quite the revival, as he is rather popular.
If he does die somewhat soon, how valuable will the new run of coins be? Should I start hoarding them?
 
labour wants to ban vpns and abolish the house of lords

its almost like Starmer doesn't wanna be PM. Reminds me of the 2008 ban of Wikipedia, because it had an image of the original cover for Scorpions Virgin Killer.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2008/dec/09/wikipedia-iwf-ban-lifted
 
Having said that, I've noticed the monarchists just switched to Charles seamlessly
The Queen is dead, long live the King. The entire point of monarchists is that they support the Crown, and that means the person wearing it at the time. The only time monarchists wouldn't do that is when the person wearing it is enough of a fuck-up the republicans start looking like they might get what they want.
 

Conwy council tracks people's phones to monitor footfall

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A council is using people's mobile phone movements to get an insight into shoppers' habits on high streets.

Conwy council's pilot tracks people who use its free wi-fi services as they move around Llandudno's Mostyn Street.
The information will inform decisions around business hours and where further investment might be needed.
But the issue has sparked fierce debate, with Llandudno councillor Harry Saville raising concerns about how the project may affect people's privacy.

The council already has a system whereby, with their consent, the council collects data from wi-fi-users at its offices, buildings, libraries and leisure centres and uses it for marketing purposes, such as promoting events.
Now, as part of this new scheme in partnership with the Welsh government, the council is able to track wi-fi-users' mobile phones in Mostyn Street by triggering sensors.

The data collected contains no personal information, but gives the council a picture of movements around the street by tracking a device's media access control (Mac) address.

Discussing the matter at a scrutiny committee meeting, Mr Saville questioned whether people's personal information was at risk from the scheme.

"I appreciate you are not capturing any personal data, but if we think, smartphones, and most people will only have one, the Mac address, the identifier in many cases, is unique," he said.

"So let's say I go down Mostyn Street, you are not able to tell who I am personally, my age, my other details, but you know where my phone has been, and someone would be able to link that to an individual wouldn't they, potentially?"
Conwy council IT manager Neil Payne replied: "Potentially, yes, if we had details of your phone contracts, which we don't have, or if you went to the mobile phone providers."

But he added: "The initial purpose of it is to monitor footfall. So all it does is picks up what we call a Mac address, a unique address, no personal details at all, and it just tracks the movement of those phones."

Kimmel Bay councillor Nigel Smith dismissed Mr Saville's arguments as "scaremongering".
"I couldn't find out what councillor Harry's Mac address is if I wanted to," Mr Smith said.
"That's the truth of the matter. I could quite easily go out and look at a registration on a car and monitor where that car goes, and nobody worries about that."
The committee voted against Mr Saville's proposal to stop the pilot.
 
Just in time for Christmas

UK economy respites from the grim economic outlook in October. Businesses recovered output lost following the death of Queen Elizabeth II.
 
I like that Wales is mostly dark blue and then there is Cardiff ruining it for the rest of us.
To be fair, all the population centres go for Labour or Plaid. Powys may vote tory and look big but there's not that many people there, same for the other Conservative counties. Still gay though.
 
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It's a Sikh thing; when you're inside the prayer hall, you sit on the ground, meant to symbolise that all are equal before God, a carry-over from when the religion was young and trying to stamp out shit like castes.
Isn't the King the official head of the Church of England? I would imagine making obeisance to a Sikh deity is some kind of symbolic submission of the Church / heretical or something.
 
Isn't the King the official head of the Church of England? I would imagine making obeisance to a Sikh deity is some kind of symbolic submission of the Church / heretical or something.
The Anglican Church is beyond retarded. It was invented by Henry VIII so he could get away with murdering his wife, which while being very based, is an exceptionally poor foundation to build a religion on. With that in mind it doesn't surprise me that the Church of England would cuckold so easily and why it's followers don't care that their Earthly representative has prayed to another God(s). It's basically all the worst aspects of Protestantism and Catholicism combined. A particularly vile Anglo concoction indeed.
 
The Anglican Church is beyond retarded. It was invented by Henry VIII so he could get away with murdering his wife, which while being very based, is an exceptionally poor foundation to build a religion on. With that in mind it doesn't surprise me that the Church of England would cuckold so easily and why it's followers don't care that their Earthly representative has prayed to another God(s). It's basically all the worst aspects of Protestantism and Catholicism combined. A particularly vile Anglo concoction indeed.
I'm honestly not even sure the Church of England still believes in God.
 
The Anglican Church is beyond retarded. It was invented by Henry VIII so he could get away with murdering his wife, which while being very based, is an exceptionally poor foundation to build a religion on. With that in mind it doesn't surprise me that the Church of England would cuckold so easily and why it's followers don't care that their Earthly representative has prayed to another God(s). It's basically all the worst aspects of Protestantism and Catholicism combined. A particularly vile Anglo concoction indeed.
Autism incoming:

Henry VIII broke with Rome so he could divorce his first wife Catherine of Aragon and marry Anne Boleyn, not to execute the latter. Anne lost her head for failing to produce a son, although under the guise of witchcraft, incest and affairs with other men, and imagining the King’s death (actually the last one is true—thought crimes in Britain are nothing new). Basically treason. She would have been executed regardless of England’s state religion.
 

How the Mormons bought Cambridgeshire

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The leafy, residential streets of Cambridge are about as far as you can get from the arid valleys of Utah. But with its grey concrete spire and squat mid-century gabled exterior, the chapel in the suburb of Cherry Hinton could have been transplanted directly from Salt Lake City. It is a striking sign of a little-known fact: that the Mormons are a force to be reckoned with in East Anglia.

The Utah-based religious movement — founded in 1830 in New York State — rebranded in 2018, calling for “Mormon” to be abandoned in favour of the official “Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints”. “It’s a bit of a mouthful,” admits Kevin Johnson, 56, who was raised in the faith in Norwich and now worships in Cambridge. But the focus on “latter days” is strategic: “we’re here now to make a difference in the world”. And for that, the Church needs funds.

On the other side of Cambridgeshire, it is doing God’s work, in the fertile earth of the fens. In the village of Woodwalton, near Huntingdon, it owns thousands of acres. Over the years, it has been variously reported to be the largest foreign purchaser of land in Britain; during a spree in the late Nineties, it spent £30 million on prime farmland in the space of six years. More recently, it came top of Farmers Weekly’s list of “unusual owners of UK farmland”. According to Guy Shrubsole, author of Who Owns England?, the Church is the 78th largest landowner in the country, with 7,716 acres.

Agriculture may seem like a surprising sideline, but it is in keeping with the Church’s history — the pioneers of Mormonism, Joseph Smith and Brigham Young, were both sons of farmers — and its central values. There is “an emphasis on self-reliance”, says Anne Thomas, a 27-year-old Latter Day Saint from California who just completed her PhD at the University of Cambridge — “just being prepared for anything”.

The Church’s control of land is usually indirect. It effectively runs a multinational firm named AgReserves, which was once reported to be America’s largest producer of nuts and is the largest private landowner in Florida — where it is planning a city almost 20 times the size of Manhattan. A subsidiary of the firm, Farmland Reserve UK Ltd, exists in this country as both a registered charity and a limited company, according to documents lodged at Companies House. Its principal activity is arable farming, and it has been reaping the rewards of soaring global cereal prices. It owns land worth almost £54 million and buildings worth almost £17 million.

While their religious activities — which include handing out literature on the street — are highly visible, their business enterprises are not. The church was quick to tell me that while its community members would be happy to be interviewed, “the farmland entity” would not.

It was not always so media-shy. Back in 1999, The Independent was invited into its boardroom on Manor Farm. A printed sign read: “Our business is farmland. Profit motivated: No Excuses.” In the Nineties, it was expanding — into Norfolk, Suffolk and Lincolnshire. Now, it is going into retreat. Accepting that the “scattered nature of some of the parcels of land do lead to some labour and equipment inefficiencies”, the company is consolidating its land holdings “around one major farm centre in Cambridgeshire”.

But the strategy is still paying dividends — turning some of Britain’s most high-grade land into hard cash. Last year, the company donated £2 million to its Utah sister charity, which spent £1 million on renovations to the two UK temples (in Surrey and Lancashire) and £1 million on vaccinations in Slovakia, Albania and Bulgaria, wheelchairs in Cape Verde, and support for Afghan refugees in Germany.

These donations sound heavenly, but the Church has faced allegations that it is trying to make itself appear more generous than it actually is. Just last month, it was accused of overstating the amount it gives in charity by more than $1 billion. Members are required to “tithe”, or donate, 10% of their income to the Church. But The Sydney Morning Herald reported that the Church then donates less than 1% of what it receives to charity, and stockpiles cash and investments in a $100 billion tax-free fund. In 2020, Roger Clarke, the head of the “Ensign Peak” fund, told The Wall Street Journal that knowledge of it among members might discourage tithing, saying they “never wanted to be in a position where people felt like, you know, they shouldn’t make a contribution”.

“The Mormon church will have you believe that it’s a religion that dabbles in business,” says ex-Mormon Ryan McKnight, who founded MormonLeaks, “but the evidence clearly shows that they are a business dabbling in religion.” A Utah spokesman denied the charge, saying: “The Church of Jesus Christ is not a financial or profit-making institution and uses its resources to carry out its divinely appointed mission.”

No multi-billion-dollar fund, however, can stop people asking difficult questions. And the Church has been having to adapt to head off criticism of the stickier parts of its history. Polygamy was dropped in 1890 (although a man can still be “sealed” to more than one woman in the afterlife). A ban on black men joining the priesthood was not lifted until 1978. (It remains for women of any colour.) And it took until 2014 for the Church to officially admit for the first time that Joseph Smith had up to 40 wives, including a 14-year-old girl.

Meanwhile, disciples are coming from the most unlikely of places. The Book of Mormon musical — which mercilessly satirises the religion — arrived in the West End in 2013 and began touring the UK in 2019. Church missionaries often proselytise after performances – with some audience members mistaking them for the cast and others even joining the Church after having their interest piqued. It seems a uniquely Latter Day Saint reaction to lampooning. “I think we kind of roll with it,” says Anne Thomas. “Because we are a pretty small population, we want to be on good terms with people that don’t know a lot about the Church. We want to have a positive interaction rather than a defensive one.” As adverts in the show’s programme, funded by the Church, say: “You’ve seen the play… now read the book.”

In the second half of the 20th century, it was not just land that the Church was acquiring, but members — at a rate of knots. Sociologist Rodney Stark forecast in 1984 that what was then Mormonism would become the first new major world religion since Islam. However, today, while growth is strong in Africa, it is having problems elsewhere. In 2011, Elder Marlin Jensen accepted that members in the US were “leaving in droves” in a “period of apostasy”. And the Church has failed to take flight in Britain in recent decades. It grew from 6,500 members in the mid-Sixties, to almost 200,000 in the Nineties (in 1995, The Spectator even predicted that “it may not be long before there are more Mormons going to church in England than Anglicans”). But UK membership now stands at 186,803, a figure that has remained virtually static for more than 20 years. Numbers of new recruits have been falling: in 2017, it baptised 1,494 proselytes. This fell to 1,281 in 2018; 995 in 2019; and 454 in 2020. The Church spent £7.8 million on its missionary programme last year, which resulted in the baptism of 655 converts.

But that is only one measure of progress; growth can also come from beyond the grave. The Church claims to have amassed the largest collection of family records in the world and all (living) members are encouraged to “take an Ancestor to the Temple”, a tenet of their faith that makes for perennial headlines. In 1995, in 2012, and again in 2017, the Church had to apologise for posthumously baptising Jewish victims of the Holocaust.

Winston Churchill, Marilyn Monroe and the Queen Mother have all reportedly been baptised in the afterlife. Under Church teachings, any deceased beneficiary of a proxy immersion is then given the choice of whether to accept the offer of salvation. Anna McKeown, who studied at Brigham Young University in Utah before moving to Cambridge, says: “We believe, over the next thousand or so years, that we’ll hopefully be able to do that for everyone.”

Quarrying the past is central to the faith. But the Latter Day Saints should perhaps be more concerned with sowing seeds for the future. It costs nothing but controversy to baptise on behalf of the dead — and, if its stance towards the Book of Mormon is anything to go by, the Church can see all publicity is good publicity. Converting the living, though, is expensive. It is as much in the Fens’ fruitful farmland as in their family records database where the Latter Day Saints will be digging for divine victory.
 
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