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Converting existing neighbourhoods into much better, designed to be car free neighbourhoods indeed inconveniences people who already live there and would like to keep their cars. Surely there are ways to reconcile this? No! Any compromise is communism. No inconvenience is too insignificant. I should live in a cabin far away from anyone!

You know, the entire lack of any sort of willingness to compromise from outsiders is the main reason for the urbanism bubble. There's no reasoning with anyone outside the bubble, no matter what kind of olive branches you offer. Anything even mildly car-free is so unthinkable that you'll just receive suggestions ranging from killing yourself, fucking off and to stop wanting things other people don't want. So why not preach to the choir and make the message even sharper and edgier?

"Converting an entire neighborhood to car-free" is not a compromise, you boob.

You inadvertently revealed why people like you are scum because despite getting bike lanes, higher density housing, and maybe closing off a side street or two, you turn around and bitch because you don't have everything you want within a 15 minute walk.
 
"Converting an entire neighborhood to car-free" is not a compromise, you boob.

You inadvertently revealed why people like you are scum because despite getting bike lanes, higher density housing, and maybe closing off a side street or two, you turn around and bitch because you don't have everything you want within a 15 minute walk.
>i want a car-free neighborhood

>you need to convert your neighborhood into being car-free for me or you're a dang dirty carbrain uwu

God null had it right. The Br*tish really are physiologically incapable of anything but constant dishonesty.
 
>suburban council

Ah, it's a tea sucker. I should have guessed no American could be so insufferable. Hope you freeze to death soon limey.
We don't have anything called "suburban" councils here. We have county councils, handling county-wide issues like transportation and planning policies, then district, borough, and city councils, which deal with things like rubbish collection and planning applications, then parish, community, or town councils, which are concerned with things local to their community, like bus shelters and community centres.

We also don't use "exurb" to mean a large, out-of-town development like that. He sound more Canadian than British to me.
 
"Converting an entire neighborhood to car-free" is not a compromise, you boob.

You inadvertently revealed why people like you are scum because despite getting bike lanes, higher density housing, and maybe closing off a side street or two, you turn around and bitch because you don't have everything you want within a 15 minute walk.
I never said I wanted bike lanes. I have demanded a nice place worth living in all along.

Good bike lanes would be better than nothing though. The ones I have the absolute joy to use are unnecessarily circuitous and hilly, are confusing to navigate and are crowded with people walking their dogs. Bless the puppers, I don't want to scare them. The civil engineers didn't have a problem making straight freeways to serve the same routes, curious!
 
Good bike lanes would be better than nothing though. The ones I have the absolute joy to use are unnecessarily circuitous and hilly, are confusing to navigate and are crowded with people walking their dogs. The civil engineers didn't have a problem making straight freeways to serve the same routes, curious!
Cool, go to the ghetto.
 
Converting existing neighbourhoods into much better, designed to be car free neighbourhoods indeed inconveniences people who already live there and would like to keep their cars. Surely there are ways to reconcile this? No! Any compromise is communism.
Compromise...

You stated you want a car free neighborhoods and some residents want cars. Therefore you are arguing for the total absence of X while the other group wants to have X.

These are diametrically opposed goals so compromise is not possible.
I should live in a cabin far away from anyone!
Go ahead and get a large group of like minded individuals and either buy out an entire neighborhood or create a new one.
You know, the entire lack of any sort of willingness to compromise from outsiders is the main reason for the urbanism bubble. There's no reasoning with anyone outside the bubble, no matter what kind of olive branches you offer.
How old are you?

I am around 40 and I have seen what compromise does to a community albeit not with cars. Just look at gun control and all the compromise plans that resulted in significantly restrictive laws. Or the compromise San Francisco made in law and order.

"Today's compromise is tomorrow's loophole."​
Anything even mildly car-free is so unthinkable that you'll just receive suggestions ranging from killing yourself, fucking off and to stop wanting things other people don't want. So why not preach to the choir and make the message even sharper and edgier?
Again, go move to NYC or some Scandinavian country. Singapore is pretty nice if not a little draconian. You can find persons with your beliefs and either buy out or even create your own community.


Now, why am I opposed to car free regions of cities. It forces me onto the shit heap that is public transportation and because the No Cars crowd is predominantly progressive, they will vote for other retarded policies that will make the transit system and shit look like below:


Now, if you can create public transit system and environment like that of Singapore (or within 20% - 30%) then perhaps people might be interested.

But let's be honest. Western culture does not have the ball to do so.

Finally, car free areas are just ineffective vs a car as it usually double the time it takes on public transit vs. a car. If a person was going to work but needed to drop off their kids at school, you have perhaps tripled their journey time.

Now the car free side might make suggestions to bring schools closer to these communities. Sure. But let's look at what else they want. They not only want dense development but mixed income dense development.

So suddenly your kid is in the same class as a bunch of unruly Nigglets but since disparate rates of punishment can be punished by the government , the Nigglets are allowed to run rampant.

If I wanted to go to the gym I like, I can't get there easily as I doubt the system will route an entire bus or run a metro train for my convenience. Such, I am stuck with the community one with again a bunch of loud unruly Niggers that is combined with the humid air of a packed gym.

If I wanted to cook dinner? Sure, I can go to the bodega / mini supermarket around the corner but one of the fresh vegetables I need is wilted or perhaps some items are just not available due to rampant theft in the city.


But wait, don't some of these issues happen in areas with cars?

Yes, but I can drive to the next store in 5 minutes rather than waiting 30 minutes for the next bus, then another 30 minutes for the return bus.

Look, create or buy out your own car free community and show the world how it's done. Convince me through your sheer greatness.

Until then, no.
 
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Good bike lanes would be better than nothing though. The ones I have the absolute joy to use are unnecessarily circuitous and hilly, are confusing to navigate and are crowded with people walking their dogs. Bless the puppers, I don't want to scare them. The civil engineers didn't have a problem making straight freeways to serve the same routes, curious!

"I do have bike lanes but I don't live in a perfectly flat area, so it's the cars' fault! And it's crowded with pedestrians...so I don't want to use it...but I don't want to scare the POOR HECKIN' DOGGORINOS"

So why do I get the feeling that if they install wide multi-uses paths along freeways (as they often do, especially in my area) you'll find some excuse to not use them?
 
I never said I wanted bike lanes. I have demanded a nice place worth living in all along.

Good bike lanes would be better than nothing though. The ones I have the absolute joy to use are unnecessarily circuitous and hilly, are confusing to navigate and are crowded with people walking their dogs. Bless the puppers, I don't want to scare them. The civil engineers didn't have a problem making straight freeways to serve the same routes, curious!
If you're this fucking unhappy (seriously now you're whining about the area you live in having hilly bike lanes that you can't navigate? how are you unable to navigate your own area?) then work towards the goal of moving to somewhere flat and more pedestrian friendly, instead of somehow expecting the infrastructure and land around you to magically turn into a flat, dense city. All you're doing in this thread is complaining about things out of your control and you'd be happier if you put that energy into moving somewhere that suits your needs better. Even if you're fucking poor (which I assume you are) it's still a more attainable goal worth putting the effort into instead of just expecting the area around you to conform to your fantasy.
 
If you're this fucking unhappy (seriously now you're whining about the area you live in having hilly bike lanes that you can't navigate? how are you unable to navigate your own area?) then work towards the goal of moving to somewhere flat and more pedestrian friendly, instead of somehow expecting the infrastructure and land around you to magically turn into a flat, dense city. All you're doing in this thread is complaining about things out of your control and you'd be happier if you put that energy into moving somewhere that suits your needs better. Even if you're fucking poor (which I assume you are) it's still a more attainable goal worth putting the effort into instead of just expecting the area around you to conform to your fantasy.
I can simultaneously complain about the miserly state of the world AND work my ass off to achieve my goals of moving to a place that's already great. They are rare and they are hard to move to. You either need a ton of money (I am not of generational wealth, so fucking poor), have real good luck, immigrate to a whole new culture leaving your old life behind, or any combination thereof. I won't get there in a year or two. I need a war chest, I need to do my research and make tough decisions.

All so that some poor car driver won't have to be slightly inconvenienced by my existence.
 
I can simultaneously complain about the miserly state of the world AND work my ass off to achieve my goals of moving to a place that's already great. They are rare and they are hard to move to. You either need a ton of money (I am not of generational wealth, so fucking poor), have real good luck, immigrate to a whole new culture leaving your old life behind, or any combination thereof. I won't get there in a year or two. I need a war chest, I need to do my research and make tough decisions.

All so that some poor car driver won't have to be slightly inconvenienced by my existence.
So because you can't afford where to live where you want and you can't wait at all for what you want, the people of your city have to change everything just for you? And saying all that you have the sheer unmitigated gall to point your finger at car drivers for being entitled? Do you really not see the logical disconnect or are you just trolling us? Please explain to me why those car drivers should have to suffer the slightest inconvenience to accommodate you when you aren't even willing to make your own accommodations. I've dealt with people like you before. If your city dropped everything and gave you everything you wanted you'd find something new to complain about inside of a week. Pleasing someone like you is like trying to shovel sand into a sinkhole.
 
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yeah that chart is complete bullshit. Airlines are efficient for long distance FAST travel. You will never find an airplane that is fuel efficient to the degree a bus could be. The air frame and powerplant will weigh much more than 2 buses that would fill the aircraft. Then you have to get that thing in the air and fly it at hundreds of MPH. I just looked up some facts for a common widebody aircraft that most airlines use.

Here we have the fuel capacity and consumtion of 767-300s powered by RB211-524H engines.

Fuel capacity:
20,112 Imperial gallons (91,380 litres/73,078 kgs)

Fuel consumption:

Shorthaul -
1,199 Imperial gallons (5,451 litres/4,360 kgs) per hour

Longhaul/Regional -
1,279 Imperial gallons (5,813 litres/4,650 kgs) per hour

I won't lie. I would love to ride a bus that burned that amount of jet fuel per hour.
You missed the rest of that math.
A standard 2 class configuration holds 261 seats. Assuming 80% which seems to be the common number these days that's 208 passengers.
Speeds about 546MPH(475kt).
1199 gallons/hr at 546MPH is 2 GPM, wow, that sucks.
With 208 people that's 94 PMPG(passenger miles per gallon)

The chart says that transit busses usually run 25% full. Various sources estimate busses at 6MPG. Lets assume 42 passengers full and 25% of that which gives us 11. 11*6 is 66 PMPG.

Yes, a full bus beats a full plane, but at actual day to day usage the planes are winning. And long haul rail would even beat that.

The good news is it's easy to make busses more efficient, just run fewer of them and make the riders wait longer to increase the number of people on each bus.
 
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How hard is it for people who self righteously want to commute by car to just live somewhere else?
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They'll even pay you to do it.
 
So because you can't afford where to live where you want and you can't wait at all for what you want, the people of your city have to change everything just for you? And saying all that you have the sheer unmitigated gall to point your finger at car drivers for being entitled? Do you really not see the logical disconnect or are you just trolling us? Please explain to me why those car drivers should have to suffer the slightest inconvenience to accommodate you when you aren't even willing to make your own accommodations. I've dealt with people like you before. If your city dropped everything and gave you everything you wanted you'd find something new to complain about inside of a week. Pleasing someone like you is like trying to shovel sand into a sinkhole.

I do not think he is trolling. To me, he is the embodiment of what /r/fuckcars really is--the same whiny, entitled commie-lites without any self-awareness.

Feels like if he was a troll he'd be using a lot more buzzwords.
 
I'm personally on the fuckcars coming from the other side (the minivan and/or the SUV kicks all cars asses now, cars are only for rich faggots who can afford two or three vehicles) but I'd love to see "carfree neighborhoods" built up.

I mean why not convert a square mile here and there of some shithole city (hint: all cities are shitholes) and ban cars inside the perimiter? You throw some parking garages on the outside, and by definition you can't be more than a mile from a car, and let's see if it works out.

Hell, if I had the money I'd try to build one myself somewhere; even just to watch it eventually fail horribly.

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Has anyone made one of those "heatmap" things that would allow you to take Los Angeles or San Diego or Seattle or whatever the fuck city and show you everything that is within one mile of the train/light rail/trolley/whatever the hell you want? Because I suspect that a car-free lifestyle is quite possible in those cities, if you want to try it, but that most who try it eventually give up and buy a car because for the value provided it's cheap as fuck. (Note: I ignore busses because even the fuckcars fags know busses suck ass)
 
I mean why not convert a square mile here and there of some shithole city (hint: all cities are shitholes) and ban cars inside the perimiter? You throw some parking garages on the outside, and by definition you can't be more than a mile from a car, and let's see if it works out.

Hell, if I had the money I'd try to build one myself somewhere; even just to watch it eventually fail horribly.
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Took them all of two weeks (?) to realize that ambulances were necessary
 
Has anyone made one of those "heatmap" things that would allow you to take Los Angeles or San Diego or Seattle or whatever the fuck city and show you everything that is within one mile of the train/light rail/trolley/whatever the hell you want? Because I suspect that a car-free lifestyle is quite possible in those cities, if you want to try it, but that most who try it eventually give up and buy a car because for the value provided it's cheap as fuck. (Note: I ignore busses because even the fuckcars fags know busses suck ass)
It is possible, but it’s a very boring lifestyle consisting solely of consooming. Most businesses in walkable areas in the US are restaurants followed by bars followed by venues. If you’re not spending money there is nothing to do and your apartment is so small you can’t do much inside of it.

Amazon killed all the retail businesses except for the high end ones because it is such a hassle to buy anything physical that it’s easier to buy it online and get it delivered.

I was bored to death when I lived in such an area. “Car-free” people were constantly begging for rides and I couldn’t get friends who lived in a different walkable neighborhood a few miles away to come hang out because the bus would take too long despite both of us living on bus lines with frequent service. I had to either visit them or offer to pick them up and drop them off.

Urbanists constantly demand more transit service because they want to leave their utopia, despite, on paper, it having everything they need within walking distance. The sane people eventually buy a car and use it to go to things outside their neighborhood (and some of them discover that they like the suburbs and move there for more space), but the urbanists will never do that.
 
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It is possible, but it’s a very boring lifestyle consisting solely of consooming. Most businesses in walkable areas in the US are restaurants followed by bars followed by venues. If you’re not spending money there is nothing to do and your apartment is so small you can’t do much inside of it.
This is what I've always suspected; the "everything walkable/transitable" boils down to "I want everything in the New York Metro available to me via the metro. It's too much. If you ever get them to actually sit down and define what they need to be walkable; you'll find tons of locations that would fit, but they'll have an excuse for each one.

other sperging; found details: https://afdc.energy.gov/conserve/public_transportation.html

I went ham doing an investigation on San Diego MTS which is actually a pretty well-run transit system it seems, they average out about 26 people per bus hour whatever that means so they may actually do better than average. see https://www.sdmts.com/sites/default...rmance_monitoring_report_route_statistics.pdf and https://www.sdmts.com/sites/default/files/attachments/mts_impact_study_final.pdf

key takeaways:

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transit is for working poors (hell just make that the entirety of the pro-transit argument; it's for poor fucks, sure sounds good give it to 'em).

this may be the worst graph I have ever seen outside of shittygraphs or whatever it is

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i'd ride the fuck out of this (even if "In today’s dollars, that would amount to $3.90 versus a typical current
one-way fare of $2.25 to $2.50."):

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"subsidized" roads lol:

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