War Twitter Suspends Accounts of Half a Dozen Journalists - Freedom of speech doesn't mean freedom from consequences, sweaty

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SAN FRANCISCO — Twitter suspended the accounts of roughly half a dozen prominent journalists on Thursday, the latest change by the social media service under its new owner, Elon Musk.

The accounts suspended included Ryan Mac of The New York Times; Drew Harwell of The Washington Post; Aaron Rupar, an independent journalist; Donie O’Sullivan of CNN; Matt Binder of Mashable; Tony Webster, an independent journalist; Micah Lee of The Intercept; and the political journalist Keith Olbermann. It was unclear what the suspensions had in common; each user’s Twitter page included a message that said it suspended accounts that “violate the Twitter rules.”

The moves came a day after Twitter suspended more than 25 accounts that tracked the planes of government agencies, billionaires and high-profile individuals, including that of Mr. Musk. Many of the accounts were operated by Jack Sweeney, a 20-year-old college student and flight tracking enthusiast who had used Twitter to post updates about the location of Mr. Musk’s private plane using publicly available information.

Last month, Mr. Musk had said he would allow the account that tracked his private plane to remain on Twitter, though he said it amounted to a security threat. “My commitment to free speech extends even to not banning the account following my plane, even though that is a direct personal safety risk,” he said in a tweet at the time.

But he changed his mind this week, after he claimed a car in which one of his sons was traveling was accosted by a “crazy stalker.” On Wednesday, Mr. Musk tweeted that any account that posted “real-time location info of anyone will be suspended, as it is a physical safety violation. This includes posting links to sites with real-time location info.”

Some of the journalists whose accounts were suspended had written about the accounts that tracked the private planes or had tweeted about those accounts. Some have also written articles that have been critical of Mr. Musk and his ownership of Twitter. Many of them had tens of thousands of followers on the platform.

Mr. Musk did not respond to a request for comment and Twitter did not respond to an email for comment. In a tweet, Mr. Musk said Twitter’s rules on “doxxing” — which refers to the sharing of someone’s personal documents, including information such as their address — “apply to ‘journalists’ as well as everyone else.” He did not elaborate.

“Tonight’s suspension of the Twitter accounts of a number of prominent journalists, including The New York Times’s Ryan Mac, is questionable and unfortunate,” said Charlie Stadtlander, a spokesman for The Times. “Neither The Times nor Ryan have received any explanation about why this occurred. We hope that all of the journalists’ accounts are reinstated and that Twitter provides a satisfying explanation for this action.”

A representative for The Post did not immediately respond to requests for comment. Kristine Coratti Kelly, a CNN spokeswoman, said the suspensions were “concerning but not surprising” and that “Twitter’s increasing instability and volatility should be of incredible concern for everyone who uses” it. In an appearance on CNN after his account was suspended, Mr. O’Sullivan said Twitter’s actions could intimidate journalists who cover companies owned by Mr. Musk.

“I was disappointed to see that I was suspended from Twitter without explanation,” Mr. Webster, whose account was suspended, said in an emailed comment. He added that he had tweeted about the Twitter account that tracked Mr. Musk’s private plane before his suspension.

Mr. Binder, the Mashable journalist, said that he had been critical of Mr. Musk but had not broken any of Twitter’s listed policies.

After his suspension from Twitter, Mr. Sweeney turned to Mastodon, an alternative social network. After Mastodon used Twitter to promote Mr. Sweeney’s new account on Thursday, Twitter suspended Mastodon’s account. As some journalists shared the news of Mastodon’s suspension, their own accounts were suspended.

Mr. Musk, who purchased Twitter in October for $44 billion, had said that his takeover would expand free speech on the platform and allow more people to participate in the public conversation. In recent weeks, he allowed some banned users to return to the platform, including former President Donald J. Trump, who was barred from his account after the Jan. 6, 2021, riots on Capitol Hill.

Mr. Musk said in October that he would form a council to advise him on policy matters before making changes to the company’s content moderation policies. The council has not materialized. This week, Mr. Musk disbanded a trust and safety advisory group that had guided Twitter on thorny issues like harassment and child exploitation.

“I hope that even my worst critics remain on Twitter, because that is what free speech means,” Mr. Musk tweeted in April, shortly after announcing his intent to buy the company.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/15/technology/twitter-suspends-journalist-accounts-elon-musk.html (Archive)
 
People like Ben Collins and Alex Carabello were at the forefront of making shit up about the Farms to get it deplatformed. They were in the Twitter Space of journos bitching about this, because how dare someone do to them what they tried to do to us.

Worse, the people who have been suspended - not banned, suspended, though notably few if any make that distinction - broke a rule. Many intentionally, as a protest, just like they did the 'no impersonation' rule, because rules are for other people. They had to lie through their teeth about what we do here, who has posted here and what kind of content is allowed here, and they did it happily and with malice, because to them we are evil.

Most people here are just enjoying the schadenfreude and glad to see that, finally, Twitter is being less partisan about who is allowed to break these rules. None of these 'journalists' are innocent victims of the deceptive Musk - they have all been part of smear campaigns and spreading frequent, unchecked lies.

I'm not judging this on whether what Musk is doing is ideologically consistent, or serves some greater narrative. I'm far pettier than that. This is just some old-fashioned revelling in the impotent rage of my enemies. These liars have been hit where they live by having their little birdy app taken away from their ideological capture, and I'm just enjoying that they are, finally, having to deal with the consequences of their utter bullshit behaviour.

All these articles will be written, arguing that Twitter should be treated in ways that, a few months ago, these same assholes scoffed at. For as much as they claimed it was filled with wrongthink, they still thought of Twitter as theirs. But it's not anymore, and they cannot stand it, and can't do anything about it, and it's delightful to watch their smug sanctimony be thrown back in their faces.

To me, this isn't about a bigger picture. I don't give a shit about Musk or the fate of Twitter or whether Nancy Mace is a good politician. This is just pointing and laughing at fuckwits being exposed as fuckwits to a larger audience, with the bonus of these fuckwits having tried to annihilate a forum I've grown very fond of. I have no need to be a bigger person to these people, or care about how they'll react, because they won't react based on reality anyway.

So is a week-long suspension the best punishment? Is Musk being inconsistent? Should we be concerned that this will give these people a legitimate grievance? (No on that last one, by the way.) Who gives a shit, I just want to throw all their bullshit back in their faces now that they're dealing with the merest fraction of what Null had to put up with for the last few months, let alone what anyone who went against the narrative has had to deal with for the last few years.

Learn to code, it's a private company sweaty, the loss of privilege feels like oppression, freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, etc etc etc. Their butthurt is hilarious and that's all I care about.
 
Plane registrations are matters of public record. Any civilian flight would be breaking all kinds of laws by disabling their ADS-B transponder in controlled airspace. Most policies dictate they are to be left on except for troubleshooting. Air Traffic Control has a vast deployment of ground stations. If you've got a few hours and $100 you can set up your own listening station with an SDR. I don't really "get" plane/ship-spotting autism. That said I know that without it even with public data, making sense of it or actually finding cool shit is very dependent on them. Even "unsecured" air fields would not pose a serious risk to their size. You'd get v&/tackled before getting near the plane at any major airport.

Considering recent events I can certainly understand Elon's reaction even if I don't agree with it. Unless this kid was being exceptional above/beyond the plane spotting 'tism I think it's the wrong call. Real dox and people showing up somewhere is a valid concern, a proven one for him. Roping the plane kid into it just makes it look like rage and revenge instead of countermeasures.

I'm not really sure what you are trying to tell me. But I will sperg a bit now.

I know shit about planes, plane spotting, if data of moving planes is public accessable or not and whatnot. But it doesn't even matter what I know about it or not.
I also don't really have an opinion about what Elon/Twitter is doing here is right or wrong. I don't really care that much bc I don't care that much about Twitter itself.

But the point is: The press are playing dumb here - and they do it on purpose.
They know exactly why their accounts got suspended. Because it went how I described it in my first post.

- Some studentkid with planeautism did this planelocationtrackerthing.
- People noticed it, it went viral.
- Twitter (Elon) said: It's ok.
- Then allegedly someone showed up where Elon's private jet landed and jumped on a car. Elon's kid was in there but not Elon himself.
- Elon decided that's to much, declared this planelocationtrackerthingy to be risk and banned it.
- Twitter (Elon) declared: "Yo, don't post this thingy on Twitter. You know what? Don't dox. You dox, we ban."
- Journos went out their way and posted links to that thingy via links to Facebook. E.g. that Olbermann guy or whatever his name is called people to actively break this rule.
- They got banned.

That's it. So I'll ask again: What is there to elaborate? People fucked around and found out. It's that simple.

It doesn't matter if it's really doxing, if Twitter is right here, if Elon is overreacting or whatever.
Twitter said "Don't do", people did, consequences happened.

Compare it to using mean words. Slurs.

Before Elon bought Twitter* Twitter said: "Don't say nigger. You say nigger, we ban."
You said nigger, you got banned.

It doesn't matter if you rate nigger to be a slur or not bc Twitter says it is. Twitter set's the rules for Twitter. It's that simple. You don't like the rules? Your problem. Don't use Twitter if you don't like the rules.
*After Elon bought Twitter Twitter still says "Don't say nigger. You say nigger, we ban."

No one is forced to use Twitter. Your life doesn't depend on Twitter. Your survival doesn't. You can run your business without using Twitter and you can ran it good. Twitter is not something a society or an individual needs to life or survive. Unlike common goods like food, energy, health care, etc.
Twitter is not your government. Your government can put you in jail for not abeding to their rules. If their rules are plane stupid or dangerous should everyone concern, not what Twitter rules are. Noone needs Twitter. Everyone can avoud Twitter. The world ran long enough without Twitter - and will pretty much ran after Twitter will die some day. BYou know what you can't avoid? Your government and your state authorities and how they set up rules and force them onto you.
Twitter is a private company. You don't like what they offer or how they want you to behave on their platform? Don't use it.
It doesn't matter if I like their policies or not. That's why I won't post my personal opinion about this rule or that rule. Because it doesn't matter.

And because it's not my point. My point is: It is clear what happened. So what is there to further elaborate? Well, nothing.

And it's actually not about them wanting Twitter to elaborate why they got suspended. Because there is more going on here.

The tin foil hat part:

What the press is doing here is constructing a narrative: "We poor journos didn't do nuffin' and we even don't know what we didnt do nuffin".

These people know exactly what they did and they are doing it on purpose. And you don't even have to be an Elon fanboy (I'm not; I actually know shit about him; what I know is: he's rich, he gives his kids weirds names, one of his kids is a troon, he runs Tesla, he now runs Twitter] to see it: They are at war with Elon.
Why are they at war with Elon? Because he took away their Twitter privileges. Twitter isn't a safe space exclusevily for the woke and left anymore. Elon is their enemy. Elon steps out of the line and even worse, he took something away from them.

Elon bought Twitter
-> Journos and Woko Haram: "Oh no! Twitter will be evil now! Everyone should leave!"
99% of these people didn't leave.

Elon fired people
-> Journos and Woko Haram: "Oh no! Harassment is increasing! People are saying niggerfaggot again and don't get punished! Help!"
I don't know it the rise of mean words is actually true but it doesn't even matter if it's true or not bc the the later part was a lie. People still got banned for using no-no-words. And still do get banned for doing it.

More people got fired
-> Journos and Woko Haram: "Oh no! Twitter will go down and blackout!"
Nothing happened. There was no massive Twitter blackout. Not even a slight one. There was no nothing.

The checkmark shittery; Twitter said "Don't impersonate. You impersonate, we ban."
-> Some smartasses started imporesonating Elon and others and got banned. Journos and Woko Haram: "Oh no! What happened!?! How dare Twitter!?! Why you ban us innocent people!?!?"

Twitter reinstates accounts from right-wingers and other people journos and Woko Haram hate
-> Journos and Woko Haram: "Oh no! Twitter will be a new 3rd reich!!!"
Still no new holocaust happening. Ironically some of these evil persons already got banned again bc they fucked around and found out.

And now this dumb shit.


The TMI part:

Someone said it in the Musk-owns-Twitter-thread: Most people who get banned on Twitter know exactly why they get banned but they are pretending to not know for whatever reason.

I'm not gonna lie here: I burned around 50 accounts on Twitter for trolling and being an asshole on Twitter.
I once got banned for posting "lol" under one of Taylor Lorenz's dumb tweets where she was complaining about dumb shit. Twitter said "That's hate speech". That's fucking retarded and a ban I deem to be wrong.
Once I got an account banned bc I tweeted to someone that I wish they would get stabbed. I get that ban. In both cases I didn't give enough fucks to cry and just set up a new account and went on being a piece of shit.

Anyone remember the time when Twitter banned every account who used that NPC meme as profile pic? Twitter said "Don't use this meme. You use the meme, we ban." I used the NPC meme as pfp and within minutes banned. I fucked around and found out. And set up the next account.

Twitter always said: "We ban you for whatever reason we don't want you to make a new account. You make new account, you get banned." I don't know anymore how many accounts got nuked for just ban-evasion. I know Twitter will ban me for ban-evasion but I tried to evade my bans. There is no reason for me to cry about it. I did it on purpose.

You know who actually didn't do nuffin' and got banned? Donald fucking Trump.

Conclusion:

99% of bans are justified - at least when following Twitter rules. If the rules do make sense or not is another issue but doesn't matter in the end of the day.
99% of people are just and plain dishonest about it when they get banned.
 
By when humble farmers of the small, but noble apteryx mantelli archive, analyze and comment on various people who are actively trying to be public figures, we're terrible people who need to be banned from the internet.
We need better PR - something that sounds as inoffensive as "flight tracking enthusiast".

We aren't the kiwi farms dox squad - we're "Eccentric personality enjoyers".
 
Musk is considerably worse and more repressive, with actual sinister intentions, than the previous bunch of incompetent assholes who ran the platform, he’s just your kind of tyrant?
Preserving this retardation. Twitter's old regime absolutely had evil intentions and were working alongside feds to (among other things) fuck with a major election.
 
I dont use twitter. I figured antifa would just use discord or mobile apps like telegram, signal.
Ironically enough antifa has some fairly okay platform support (https://riseup.net/). The guys running it are doing a pretty impressive job, basically the same type of budget that KF has while defending against a ton of DDoS attacks etc. Their setup isn't very advanced and they don't suffer the same kind of vertical attacks as KF (last I poked around it was possible to nuke them by just overloading a single old openbsd box) but it's the same class.

In a sane world @Null could've collaborated with them when setting up the kiwi lower-case-i-nternet, but from what I've seen they're infested with queer ideologists that outweigh their sane takes.
 
Are they really journalists if their paycheck is based on word-count and not accuracy of their information?
Ironically enough antifa has some fairly okay platform support (https://riseup.net/). The guys running it are doing a pretty impressive job, basically the same type of budget that KF has while defending against a ton of DDoS attacks etc. Their setup isn't very advanced and they don't suffer the same kind of vertical attacks as KF (last I poked around it was possible to nuke them by just overloading a single old openbsd box) but it's the same class.

In a sane world @Null could've collaborated with them when setting up the kiwi lower-case-i-nternet, but from what I've seen they're infested with queer ideologists that outweigh their sane takes.
Yeah the troonocalypse wasn't just a recent phenomenon - a bunch of autistic techies with some actual skill got groomed to chop off their dicks too, just fucking look at byuu (peace be upon him).
This bullshit really is more like cult behavior than lolcow behavior at this point (for comparison, look at onision's bullshit attempts at making a cult).
People like Ben Collins and Alex Carabello were at the forefront of making shit up about the Farms to get it deplatformed. They were in the Twitter Space of journos bitching about this, because how dare someone do to them what they tried to do to us.

Worse, the people who have been suspended - not banned, suspended, though notably few if any make that distinction - broke a rule. Many intentionally, as a protest, just like they did the 'no impersonation' rule, because rules are for other people. They had to lie through their teeth about what we do here, who has posted here and what kind of content is allowed here, and they did it happily and with malice, because to them we are evil.

Most people here are just enjoying the schadenfreude and glad to see that, finally, Twitter is being less partisan about who is allowed to break these rules. None of these 'journalists' are innocent victims of the deceptive Musk - they have all been part of smear campaigns and spreading frequent, unchecked lies.

I'm not judging this on whether what Musk is doing is ideologically consistent, or serves some greater narrative. I'm far pettier than that. This is just some old-fashioned revelling in the impotent rage of my enemies. These liars have been hit where they live by having their little birdy app taken away from their ideological capture, and I'm just enjoying that they are, finally, having to deal with the consequences of their utter bullshit behaviour.

All these articles will be written, arguing that Twitter should be treated in ways that, a few months ago, these same assholes scoffed at. For as much as they claimed it was filled with wrongthink, they still thought of Twitter as theirs. But it's not anymore, and they cannot stand it, and can't do anything about it, and it's delightful to watch their smug sanctimony be thrown back in their faces.

To me, this isn't about a bigger picture. I don't give a shit about Musk or the fate of Twitter or whether Nancy Mace is a good politician. This is just pointing and laughing at fuckwits being exposed as fuckwits to a larger audience, with the bonus of these fuckwits having tried to annihilate a forum I've grown very fond of. I have no need to be a bigger person to these people, or care about how they'll react, because they won't react based on reality anyway.

So is a week-long suspension the best punishment? Is Musk being inconsistent? Should we be concerned that this will give these people a legitimate grievance? (No on that last one, by the way.) Who gives a shit, I just want to throw all their bullshit back in their faces now that they're dealing with the merest fraction of what Null had to put up with for the last few months, let alone what anyone who went against the narrative has had to deal with for the last few years.

Learn to code, it's a private company sweaty, the loss of privilege feels like oppression, freedom of speech isn't freedom from consequences, etc etc etc. Their butthurt is hilarious and that's all I care about.
This honestly feels like the screeching that happened (and is still happening apparently) during 2016. The do-nothingness of whoever took power doesn't matter. The tears are enough.
 
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people have lost more for much less, they didn't care
but they lose only twitter for a week because they were retarded? THE MOST HORRIBLE THING EVER REEE

god, they can't stop existing soon enough
 
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Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but it seems like the journoscum had a chatroom going and Elon decided to pop in to talk to them.

Some noticeable names: Keffals and Ben Collins. I'm not really sure who the other people are, I only started to follow this.

Got this from this Tweet:

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You dox in any way on Twitter, you will be suspended. Doesn't matter if you're a journalist or regular person
 
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Not sure if this was posted anywhere, but it seems like the journoscum had a chatroom going and Elon decided to pop in to talk to them.

Some noticeable names: Keffals and Ben Collins. I'm not really sure who the other people are, I only started to follow this.

Got this from this Tweet:

Link;Archive


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What the fuck is Kefflas doing in there?

And they act like "THIS IS REPORTING! IT'S OK TO REPORT WHERE PEOPLE GO!"

Yeah, but, if for some reason, I start posting where all of these faggots go, 24/7, and what they ordered to eat on GrubHub and UberEats, they'd be shrieking to high heaven.
 
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