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Normal homos such as myself cringe at the drag queen story hour shit, and are downright appalled by images of children attending actual drag shows.
This Dave Chappelle skit sums it up nicely.Can I ask you something? As a straight man who doesn't know much about the dynamics inside the groups that fall under the LGBT umbrella... how much of that "quarrel" is personal opinion (i.e, what you wish the LGB would do), and how much is actual, current reality? I'm not an American, but in my country, 100% of gays and lesbians are hardcore defenders of transsexuals. And I do mean hardcore.
I hear a lot about "LGB without the T" and stuff like that, but all of it it's pretty much confined to selected places like KF. In real life (at least in my neck of the woods), I've NEVER seen or heard a single thing from an LGB against any T. And I'm completely surrounded by gay people.
Anyways, I hope I'm not derailing the thread too much, but any feedback prom people in the know will be greatly appreciated!
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In my area it depends on the age of the homosexual. I mostly know gay men - the younger ones defend the T more, but it also depends on their experiences. Those who encounter homosexual men trans out might be fully on board since they only see gays becoming women and they'll always defend a gay in their head even if their polite conscious has to say "Brandon is a woman now". Meanwhile, I had a friend who experienced two trans people with me, one a lesbian to genderspecial with diagnosed BPD and another who was a republican straight dude suddenly gone wahman, so those plus my tales from the farms make him shaky without saying it. He'll defend your identity and pity you, and he wants the whole thing to be people actually being who they are, but... you can't always get what you want and he will put up blockades when things get too far in a polite way (but he's a polite man).I hear a lot about "LGB without the T" and stuff like that, but all of it it's pretty much confined to selected places like KF. In real life (at least in my neck of the woods), I've NEVER seen or heard a single thing from an LGB against any T. And I'm completely surrounded by gay people.
Lol that's a lot of text! Haha thanks for the feedback. Yeah what you said does make a lot of sense to me. Living close to Universities, most of the gay people in the area I mentioned before are very young (20-40 years old). So maybe my perception is indeed biased by the age/generation gap.In my area it depends on the age of the homosexual. I mostly know gay men - the younger ones defend the T more, but it also depends on their experiences. Those who encounter homosexual men trans out might be fully on board since they only see gays becoming women and they'll always defend a gay in their head even if their polite conscious has to say "Brandon is a woman now". Meanwhile, I had a friend who experienced two trans people with me, one a lesbian to genderspecial with diagnosed BPD and another who was a republican straight dude suddenly gone wahman, so those plus my tales from the farms make him shaky without saying it. He'll defend your identity and pity you, and he wants the whole thing to be people actually being who they are, but... you can't always get what you want and he will put up blockades when things get too far in a polite way (but he's a polite man).
The older ones have opinions but don't bother, especially with the younger and stranger genderspecials. They know LBG, might even know and have a varied opinion on the T, but will go "mmmmmhm" in a doubting condescending tone to the genderspecials. No one can take them seriously. Ts were the rarest in the past, most of the time it was a drag queen or the occasional field autogynosexual, but even the later can be dismissed as weirdos with moments. If said trans person says something they don't agree with on LGBT they'll argue, but they're pretty live and let live since they're old and being gay has you deal with all sorts of weirdos.
You tend not to have up front "BACK OFF TRANS PEOPLE" in a group. I, a random weird bisexualwahmanwomen, will be more challenging towards the whole thing but in a general sense. If a group seems diehard trans, I don't bother, but if I talk to LGBT people one on one I'll ask more hard hitting questions or bring out big points of concern like drugs. I even had someone who wanted to go FtM but realized the meds were way too experimental admit such to me. For me, the connection to the LGBT doesn't matter as much as I neither came from a family who disliked them nor do I count myself in the group as much (women are an option, not the only requirement so I respect the groups that need one or the other and can't change - they got much more on their plate than some dumbass like me!) so I don't mind being more free. You can't change hardcore group think but you can pry away at things one by one.
From experience, I'd say most people have doubts but are polite about it. Others are hardcore since they're still reeling from family being assholes to them or society in general and will be diehard about it since they're still hurt. Note I don't know many lesbians in person IRL so I just pulled from mostly gay men.
I think the funniest and strangest thing is that a lot of it is pity above understanding. The more I talk to them, the more I laugh since they're mostly sad their friend can't be authentic and their inability to be authentic is driving them to do stupid things, and they can't always understand why they need to do something to be a woman or man but lol.
Lastly, shoutout to the Nonbinaries. These women I know online are nice and polite, but you can tell they even have doubts on trans subjects but are hard pressed to speak up since they fall under it...but not really. They say defend trans rights but most (not all) aren't caught up with trans issues, they just exist as is and nod their heads along with gender rhetoric without always knowing what extremist like Erin fight for. They rather just have gender equality and not be seen as women because they don't feel like they belong to a group, they're soft outwardly towards trans issues but most of them draw the line at he/him lesbians. And connecting the dots you can tell why.![]()
Hahaha that shit was hilarious, thanks!This Dave Chappelle skit sums it up nicely.
That last question... as an academic, that is mind-boggling. I hope someone this guy answers to (professor, school admin) sees him going around saying shit like this, because that study should go nowhere. He's basically shopping out going "hey, how should I interpret the results of my study to prove the point I want to make the most?" That's not science, that's opinion. You know this guy is trashing any response to his study that doesn't match what he wants the "data" to show in the end.
I think some things to keep in mind here, just to chime in with my two cents as a lesbian:Can I ask you something? As a straight man who doesn't know much about the dynamics inside the groups that fall under the LGBT umbrella... how much of that "quarrel" is personal opinion (i.e, what you wish the LGB would do), and how much is actual, current reality? I'm not an American, but in my country, 100% of gays and lesbians are hardcore defenders of transsexuals. And I do mean hardcore.
I hear a lot about "LGB without the T" and stuff like that, but all of it it's pretty much confined to selected places like KF. In real life (at least in my neck of the woods), I've NEVER seen or heard a single thing from an LGB against any T. And I'm completely surrounded by gay people.
Anyways, I hope I'm not derailing the thread too much, but any feedback prom people in the know will be greatly appreciated!
Apologies for mild PL ahead. I'm a faggot, friends with many faggots and dykes. You have to understand two things: 1) Most faggot friend groups are ALL faggot. I personally only have one straight friend in my close circle. 2) It is social suicide for you, as a faggot, to do anything less than worship trans people. Not just in your friend group, but it can very easily extend to your job too, even your family depending how lefty they are.Can I ask you something? As a straight man who doesn't know much about the dynamics inside the groups that fall under the LGBT umbrella... how much of that "quarrel" is personal opinion (i.e, what you wish the LGB would do), and how much is actual, current reality? I'm not an American, but in my country, 100% of gays and lesbians are hardcore defenders of transsexuals. And I do mean hardcore.
I hear a lot about "LGB without the T" and stuff like that, but all of it it's pretty much confined to selected places like KF. In real life (at least in my neck of the woods), I've NEVER seen or heard a single thing from an LGB against any T. And I'm completely surrounded by gay people.
Anyways, I hope I'm not derailing the thread too much, but any feedback prom people in the know will be greatly appreciated!
Whoops sorry! It's something I thought of a lot too, and apparently so have others lol.that's a lot of text!
This is huge tbh. Having multiple social circles really pays off because if you gay and have groups that accept you who are mostly not gay you can say gay socially unacceptable rhetoric to them. It depends on the gay too: some people are fine mixing with other social circles (and some just don't mix with non-lgbt completely on accident), some get too nervous or fear straight people after a rough time they had, etc. The ones who don't have many options to connect with others outside of LGBT groups will always get shat on. And sometimes you can express it to a nonlgbt friend but your straight woman friend isn't experiencing why you a lesbian are going "eugh girldick" and how your fellow lesbians seem to be disappearing and being replaced with frog voice agenders. Being lonely in your own group sucks.You have to understand two things: 1) Most faggot friend groups are ALL faggot. I personally only have one straight friend in my close circle. 2) It is social suicide for you, as a faggot, to do anything less than worship trans people. Not just in your friend group, but it can very easily extend to your job too, even your family depending how lefty they are.
It's okay, he's just some faggot high school teacher getting a "higher salary" certificate, I actually did not make any attempt to figure out what sex this faggot actually is by looking for other photos but I have to assume "non-binary trans guy" means it's a chick:That last question... as an academic, that is mind-boggling. I hope someone this guy answers to (professor, school admin) sees him going around saying shit like this, because that study should go nowhere. He's basically shopping out going "hey, how should I interpret the results of my study to prove the point I want to make the most?" That's not science, that's opinion. You know this guy is trashing any response to his study that doesn't match what he wants the "data" to show in the end.
Meanwhile Grindr etc is pretty much untouched.
Fast forward about a decade and the happy lesbians turned gay dads are now broken up and Matt is a single dad with an autistic son who suffers from a seizure disorder.. maybe having a kid while injecting testosterone isn’t the best idea?
I would argue a woman definitely should not be taking testosterone while pregnant or trying to conceive. The Village Voice article only said they followed the medical advice of their doctors while on their pregnancy journey, softly implying she was off testosterone. But Kayden seems to think it’s fine to have her babies floating around her T soaked womb since she was 5 plus months pregnant before she found out she was going to have her first kid. So I guess the jury is still out on this one.Wouldn't you have to stop injecting to even concieve and maintain a pregnancy?
But Kayden seems to think it’s fine to have her babies floating around her T soaked womb since she was 5 plus months pregnant before she found out she was going to have her first kid.
There’s pretty much no research on pregnancy among women taking exogenous testosterone and fetal health. (But this is largely true of every other aspect of “gender affirming care”.) The closest I found was a review by Moravek et al, but it just says that there’s no research, and particularly that there are no prospective studies into this population (where you plan a study and observe people through it, rather than the common (in the transgender field) observational study where you just report the outcomes of the people you already have on hand).I would argue a woman definitely should not be taking testosterone while pregnant or trying to conceive. The Village Voice article only said they followed the medical advice of their doctors while on their pregnancy journey, softly implying she was off testosterone.