Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[TheDarknessGrows]

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The agreement on the supply of rails for Ukrainian Railways amounts to support of the French government of up to 37.6 million euros. According to Bloomberg, this concerns a loan for Ukraine to purchase the rail material built by Germany's Saarstahl AG in France.

Rail in Ukraine is so busted France has to pony up the cash for Ukraine to buy new rails, which are of a different grade and whatnot from Yurop's, so maybe this is just cover and it's all going into someone's pocket--or several.

For what it is worth, rebuilding the lines with rails the same as the rest of Europe means that rail travel to and from will be simpler. If you wanted to bring Ukraine into the European fold, you would definitely want matching rails.

Pretty clever, actually.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Almost a year into a campaign that was meant to take two weeks, repeatedly beaten back in days from territories that took weeks or months to conquer, forced to retreat from Kherson immediately after declaring it "Russian territory", and stalemated at Bakhmut for several months. All this by a military that everyone assumed would fold like a wet paper bag at the first sign of resistance.

Winning!

Show me the operation documentation, messages, and other concrete evidence that showed Putin planned a two week adventure. Oh wait you can’t because there isn’r any just speculative fiction by people with as much military experience as Patrick Tomlinson (Fatness Be Upon Him).

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

But, here you are ridiculing the Russians for fighting against troops trained and armed by the US and EU and actually winning.

Last time I checked, strategic withdrawal retreating implies that you lost the fight for an area.

 

[GumballFapper]

Last time I checked, strategic withdrawal retreating implies that you lost the fight for an area.

not according to ruZZian media and their cum gobblers, they're just "regrouping" for another front, just wait for it

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

Ok, then the "best/strongest" military, the US military, in the world got completely routed by a bunch of unsupported, untrained camel jockeys as the the Taliban completely routed US forces from Afghanistan leaving behind billions of dollars of equipment.

Except the Taliban never beat the US militarily; they waited until the US had entirely withdrew from Afghanistan to overthrow a puppet government which had almost no popular support among the Afghan people. The US failure in Afghanistan was a failure of statecraft; not of military strength.

Amazing how incompetent Putin actually proved himself to be, we could have nipped this asshole in the bud years ago.

Putin has always been more skilled as a tactician than as a strategist, and the war in Ukraine is no less evidence of this. In the short run, Putin is quite capable of outmaneuvering his adversaries to achieve a short-term advantage, but in the long run, his leadership decisions have almost invariably put Russia on a much weaker footing. This war will play out no differently.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

I think we can all agree that the real war criminals in all of this are the faggots using nicknames like "vatwhatever" and "holololowhatevenisthis" for their rivals in this debate.

They should all be tried in a rigged military court and executed swiftly.

 

[Ancient Pioneer]

Except the Taliban never beat the US militarily; they waited until the US had entirely withdrew from Afghanistan to overthrow a puppet government which had almost no popular support among the Afghan people. The US failure in Afghanistan was a failure of statecraft; not of military strength.

The Taliban went on the offensive starting in late 2002 and had liberated a full third of the country by late 2005. The US lost the war militarily because it could not stamp out the insurgency, something that delegitimized the puppet state, same as in Iraq. The point of warfare is to make your enemy unable, or unwilling, to continue the fight, pitched battles is just one form of getting to this state, the Taliban chose guerrilla warfare as their means of defeating the American occupation and it was successful. Any claim to the contrary is just American cope posting, the US military was defeated by a more pragmatic strategy tailored to undermine the advantages it had, same with Vietnam.

 

[Random Internet Person]

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Zelensky is reportedly arriving to Washington D.C. aboard a US Air Force plane, according to US officials cited in CNN, after taking a high risk train ride into Poland. White House national security communications coordinator John Kirby said of the impending visit with President Biden, "The President really believes that as we approach winter, as we enter … a new phase in this war, of Mr. Putin’s aggression, that this is a good time for the two leaders to sit down face to face and talk." But this is how Reuters somewhat cynically previewed the visit:

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskiy headed to Washington on Wednesday to meet President Joe Biden, address Congress and seek "weapons, weapons and more weapons" in his first overseas trip since Russia invaded Ukraine 300 days ago.

Surprisingly, the Associated Press additionally highlighted the latest video address by Zelensky, who yesterday while visiting a frontline fighting area in Bakhmut, said the following at a moment Congress is set to to approve $45 billion more in aid for Ukraine in the proposed massive omnibus package:

"We will pass it on from the boys to the Congress, to the president of the United States. We are grateful for their support, but it is not enough. It is a hint — it is not enough," Zelensky said.

The US is about to reach $100 billion in total aid committed to Ukraine, and as Glenn Greenwald points out, this far surpasses the total current Russian military budget...


And yet Zelensky and the constant refrain of top Ukrainian officials has been essentially that despite the blank check approach of the Biden administration, it is never enough. Apparently even the mainstream media is beginning to recognize this.


With Ukraine's Zelensky reportedly in the air en route to Washington where he's is to deliver a "very special" in-person speech to US lawmakers, it's being widely reported Wednesday morning that President Biden is expected to announce the US will deliver the Patriot missile defense system, along with another $2 billion in defense aid.
An admin official quoted in Axios said Zelensky's visit to Washington is expected to last just "a few short hours," and marks the first known trip the Ukrainian leader has taken outside the country since the war began. He's expected to hold an "in-depth, strategic discussion" with Biden, and the Congressional address is set for 7:30pm EST.


The unnamed official further said the White House wants to put on a "big show of bipartisan support for Zelensky" in hopes of shoring up political "momentum" for continued assistance to Kiev, which is also coming in the form of the enormous omnibus spending package which includes $45 billion in military, economic, and other foreign aid to Ukraine.
White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a statement that the Ukrainian president's visit will be received with "strong, bipartisan support for Ukraine."

She said "The visit will underscore the United States’ steadfast commitment to supporting Ukraine for as long as it takes, including through the provision of economic, humanitarian, and military assistance."
Zelensky in the meantime tweeted confirmation while en route...
The unnamed official further said the White House wants to put on a "big show of bipartisan support for Zelensky" in hopes of shoring up political "momentum" for continued assistance to Kiev, which is also coming in the form of the enormous omnibus spending package which includes $45 billion in military, economic, and other foreign aid to Ukraine.
White House Press Secretary Karine Jean-Pierre said in a statement that the Ukrainian president's visit will be received with "strong, bipartisan support for Ukraine."



Meanwhile, some initial reaction coming out of Moscow...

• PUTIN: INTERBALLISTIC MISSILES SARMAT WILL BE DEPLOYED FOR COMBAT DUTY IN NEAREST FUTURE
• RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTER SHOIGU: WE ARE READY FOR TALKS
• RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTER SHOIGU: JOINT FORCES OF WEST ARE FIGHTING RUSSIA IN UKRAINE
• WEST TRIES TO OVERLOOK NUCLEAR BLACKMAIL, INCLUDING OVER ZAPORIZHZHIA NUCLEAR POWER STATION
• WEST TRIES TO DRAG ON THE FIGHTING IN UKRAINE
• RUSSIAN DEFENCE MINISTER SHOIGU: WE ARE FIGHTING TO SAVE PEOPLE IN UKRAINE FROM GENOCIDE AND TERROR
• MILITARY POTENTIAL OF UKRAINE IS BEING DESTROYED

It will be interesting to see whether Zelensky's appearance before Congress is greeted with the same level of enthusiasm from all corners of the GOP.

 

[Hellbound Hellhound]

The Taliban went on the offensive starting in late 2002 and had liberated a full third of the country by late 2005.

I think you mean "retreated from built up areas to hide in a bunch of caves", which just so happens to make up the majority of the Afghan landscape. If you want to frame that as the Taliban controlling a third of the country's landmass then so be it, but it would be incredibly reaching on your part.

The US lost the war militarily because it could not stamp out the insurgency, something that delegitimized the puppet state

You've got cause and effect in the wrong order here. The reason that the Taliban was able to recruit insurgents in the first place was because the Afghan government was not viewed as legitimate by a great number of the country's population. The government didn't gradually become illegitimate as a result of the insurgency.

same as in Iraq

You mean the Iraq where the Ba'athists were successfully overthrown, and which is still, to this day, governed under the constitution that was put in place during the US occupation?

 

[TheAntiCoomer]

Except Russia isn't losing. Cope.

>Has not taken the capital
>Has not won the air war
>Needs to mobilize another wave of men
>Economy belongs to China now
>Having to resort to terror bombing civilian infrastructure because you can't push the enemy out
>Europe not frozen from muh lack of gas, US making bank exploiting europoors
>Russians constantly threatening war with NATO to cope for arms
>Lost Kherson
>Retreating from other areas as we speak

Maybe they aren't losing, but they aren't winning. Soon Russia will be an American puppet state so that we can get cheap oil.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Can you imagine a foreign leader coming to your country and DEMANDING more support because the billions you already gave was not enough? How cucked is this administration?

 

[Beak Thing]

>Has not taken the capital
>Has not won the air war
>Needs to mobilize another wave of men
>Economy belongs to China now
>Having to resort to terror bombing civilian infrastructure because you can't push the enemy out
>Europe not frozen from muh lack of gas, US making bank exploiting europoors
>Russians constantly threatening war with NATO to cope for arms
>Lost Kherson
>Retreating from other areas as we speak

Maybe they aren't losing, but they aren't winning. Soon Russia will be an American puppet state so that we can get cheap oil.

They've also incurred casualties in excess of the decade-plus long Vietnam War in less than a year and spent at least $100 billion of their foreign exchange reserves. And the casualties are even worse when you consider most of these losses were regular military, including some very specialized personnel like pilots.

A complete, absolute disaster for Russia. The level of delusion and incompetence in that country's leadership is incredible, so much so that Joe Biden looks like Churchill in comparison.

 

[TheDarknessGrows]

Can you imagine a foreign leader coming to your country and DEMANDING more support because the billions you already gave was not enough? How cucked is this administration?

I don't have to imagine. I can turn on CSPAN.

In a just world, Zelensky wouldn't make it back to the airport after speaking such a statement.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

They've also incurred casualties in excess of the decade-plus long Vietnam War in less than a year and spent at least $100 billion of their foreign exchange reserves. And the casualties are even worse when you consider most of these losses were regular military, including some very specialized personnel like pilots.

A complete, absolute disaster for Russia. The level of delusion and incompetence in that country's leadership is incredible, so much so that Joe Biden looks like Churchill in comparison.

Huge citation needed.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Can you imagine a foreign leader coming to your country and DEMANDING more support because the billions you already gave was not enough? How cucked is this administration?

It's almost as if fighting a war costs money.

 

[Beak Thing]

Huge citation needed.

Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present) - Wikipedia

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There are several different international sources with estimates. Feel free to dispute them if you have alternative evidence from a non-Russian source. At present all Russian (and most Ukrainian IMO) sources are nothing but unreliable propaganda and are completely useless for serious discussion of the war.

I have no reason to disbelieve the US estimate of at least 100,000 casualties given the scope of Russian mobilization to replenish the losses and the enormous losses incurred during the defeats at Kyiv.

The ISW's assessments are in line with this amount of losses given their accurate understanding of the severely degraded combat capabilities of the Russian military.

 

[teriyakiburns]

Remember, casualties aren't deaths, no matter what ursula "I'm so thick, they made me EU president" von der leyen might believe.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Russian invasion of Ukraine (2022–present) - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

There are several different international sources with estimates. Feel free to dispute them if you have alternative evidence from a non-Russian source. At present all Russian (and most Ukrainian IMO) sources are nothing but unreliable propaganda and are completely useless for serious discussion of the war.

I have no reason to disbelieve the US estimate of at least 100,000 casualties given the scope of Russian mobilization to replenish the losses and the enormous losses incurred during the defeats at Kyiv.

The ISW's assessments are in line with this amount of losses given their accurate understanding of the severely degraded combat capabilities of the Russian military.

Any source critical of Russia's capabilities is western disinformation. Any source that praises Russia is true and honest.

 

[Overly Serious]

How soon do we start seeing Hollywood cashing in on the Ukraine war? I have been noticing the same far-left journalists and communist live action role players that shit on anti-communists films 80s films like Rambo 3, Rocky 4 and Red Dawn for being conservative Ronald Reagan propaganda are now retrospectively praising them for being ahead of their times by having Russia as the bad guy. I remember game journalists attacking Call of Duty, Tom Clancy's games and Battlefield for being outdated by portraying Russians as aggressors invading their neighbors.

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I think the first films start coming out around the two year mark, usually. Cautiously and low-budget at first. They want to avoid appearing to capitalise on tragedy so it's usually wrapped in a lot of affirmations about their support, raising awareness, etc. Films that are neutral or critical of the situation take a lot longer.

Related I recall a Russian girl asking me why Russians were always the bad guys. I explained that Americans wanted an enemy to portray but they couldn't use any predominantly Black people or they were racist. They couldn't use any predominantly muslim people or they were islamophobic. They couldn't use Chinese people or they wouldn't be able to sell it there. And they couldn't use any Japanese people because Japanese people were just basically too cool. Russians, being White but still foreign, were American movie makers perfect solution. Americans it's not possible to be racist against White people so casting an entire nation as villains couldn't possibly be offensive.

For what it is worth, rebuilding the lines with rails the same as the rest of Europe means that rail travel to and from will be simpler. If you wanted to bring Ukraine into the European fold, you would definitely want matching rails.

Pretty clever, actually.

But if you expect to recapture Eastern Ukraine and have it remain part of the rest of the country, you'd want your rails to be the same to facilitate those things.

 

[RobotDog]

Huge citation needed.

I mean, tbf the russians have lost more than 6,000,000

I have no reason to disbelieve the US estimate of at least 100,000 casualties given the scope of Russian mobilization to replenish the losses and the enormous losses incurred during the defeats at Kyiv.

You are right, its not like the US estimates of Russia running out of weapons (in may, april, may, june, july, august, september, october, november, next week) ever failed to materialize...
Didnt a retired US Army General said Russia would exhaust its ability to fight within ten days of the start of the operation?