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President Joe Biden on Tuesday said that the United States will impose sanctions “far beyond” the ones that the United States imposed in 2014 following the annexation of the Crimean peninsula.

“This is the beginning of a Russian invasion of Ukraine,” Biden said in a White House speech, signaling a shift in his administration’s position. “We will continue to escalate sanctions if Russia escalates,” he added.

Russian elites and their family members will also soon face sanctions, Biden said, adding that “Russia will pay an even steeper price” if Moscow decides to push forward into Ukraine. Two Russian banks and Russian sovereign debt will also be sanctioned, he said.

Also in his speech, Biden said he would send more U.S. troops to the Baltic states as a defensive measure to strengthen NATO’s position in the area.

Russia shares a border with Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania.

A day earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered troops to go into the separatist Donetsk and Lugansk regions in eastern Ukraine after a lengthy speech in which he recognized the two regions’ independence.

Western powers decried the move and began to slap sanctions on certain Russian individuals, while Germany announced it would halt plans to go ahead with the Russia-to-Germany Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

At home, Biden is facing bipartisan pressure to take more extensive actions against Russia following Putin’s decision. However, a recent poll showed that a majority of Americans believe that sending troops to Ukraine is a “bad idea,” and a slim minority believes it’s a good one.

All 27 European Union countries unanimously agreed on an initial list of sanctions targeting Russian authorities, said French Foreign Minister Jean-Yves Le Drian, and EU foreign affairs head Josep Borell claimed the package “will hurt Russia … a lot.”

Earlier Tuesday, Borell asserted that Russian troops have already entered the Donbas region, which comprises Donetsk and Lugansk, which are under the control of pro-Russia groups since 2014.

And on Tuesday, the Russian Parliament approved a Putin-back plan to use military force outside of Russia’s borders as Putin further said that Russia confirmed it would recognize the expanded borders of Lugansk and Donetsk.

“We recognized the states,” the Russian president said. “That means we recognized all of their fundamental documents, including the constitution, where it is written that their [borders] are the territories at the time the two regions were part of Ukraine.”

Speaking to reporters on Tuesday, Putin said that Ukraine is “not interested in peaceful solutions” and that “every day, they are amassing troops in the Donbas.”

Meanwhile, Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelensky on Tuesday morning again downplayed the prospect of a Russian invasion and proclaimed: “There will be no war.”

“There will not be an all-out war against Ukraine, and there will not be a broad escalation from Russia. If there is, then we will put Ukraine on a war footing,” he said in a televised address.

The White House began to signal that they would shift their own position on whether it’s the start of an invasion.

“We think this is, yes, the beginning of an invasion, Russia’s latest invasion into Ukraine,” said Jon Finer, the White House deputy national security adviser in public remarks. “An invasion is an invasion and that is what is underway.”

For weeks, Western governments have been claiming Moscow would invade its neighbor after Russia gathered some 150,000 troops along the countries’ borders. They alleged that the Kremlin would attempt to come up with a pretext to attack, while some officials on Monday said Putin’s speech recognizing the two regions was just that.

But Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin told reporters Tuesday that Russia’s “latest invasion” of Ukraine is threatening stability in the region, but he asserted that Putin can “still avoid a full blown, tragic war of choice.”

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TBF Bonhomme Richard did the exact same thing.
That's a fascinating read.

And this is the most 2022 thing I've ever read:

"evidence that the fire was started because of negligence and the improper storage of lithium batteries close to crates of hand sanitizer."

The Wikipedia article has it all. Negligence, ongoing proof and display of the Navy's training and manpower problems, scapegoating, everything.

Thanks for passing me that.

But still...

It's fucking hilarious that the Russians had their aircraft carrier catch on fire in drydock.
 
It's funny how a lot of Russian high-tech/copy stuff was maintained by a country they want to freeze and genocide. And if you notice closely, ever since 2014 anything worthwhile in the Russian military has started failing more and more often, as Ukrainian military enterprises have started largely cutting ties (some still kept them, like Motor-Sich director, who was arrested for HIGH FUCKING TREASON) with Russia.

Makes you think, doesn't it?

Kuznetsov and sister ship Kiev, that was sold to the Chinks has been built in Mykolaiv. Kek.
 
@Ghostse
The M1 Abrams is the best tank to crew because IIRC there have zero crew members killed by enemy fire. There were the dudes who flipped and drown and some training acccidents.
IIRC, the Saudis have lost a few M1A2 crewmen while buttoned up, against the Houthi using Kornet or Konkurs ATGMs.

Still looking for the particular video, but the last one I saw was caught broadside while on the move right to left; it penetrated the hull & looked like something cooked off in the turret, blew the top hatches off (or they were unsecured), then did the giant blowtorch impression. Maybe the driver survived, but anyone in the turret definitely didn't.
 
There's a Youtuber who does street interviews in Russia and recently he started sending some people out to rural areas. It's rather shocking how rural Russians live. People still have to collect water from wells and live in shitty tree huts. Despite living in poverty, they usually love Putin and think that Russia is the best. Sometimes they say that the West has it worse, and other times they just hate the West for being rich and supposedly attacking Russia. It really is a crime that Putin is wasting all that money on a senseless war while people are living like that.


That 2nd video thumbnail is giving me Velen flashbacks.
 
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I wonder how many of these accidents are not accidents at all and instead self-sabotage by the crew and/or their buddies who's not looking forward to being deployed after observing this shitshow and the fate of their comrades for almost a year now.
Unlikely IMO. Turkey is still keeping the Bosporus closed so they can't join the shitshow in the Black Sea, even if they wanted to. It's theoretically possible they might send her back to the Med to bomb Syria to test her out, but that seems risky given how much of a shitshow it was last time they did that.
Most likely explanation is it's just yet another in a long string of fuckups. I've posted previously in this thread about the impressive number of shipyard fires/accidents Russia seems to have, and those were just the ones I knew of off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more.

Kuznetsov and sister ship Kiev, that was sold to the Chinks has been built in Mykolaiv. Kek.
Basically every big surface combatant, other than the Kirovs, came out of Ukrainian yards. Since Russia lost them they haven't built anything bigger than a fucking Frigate, and the yards that did the Kirov's now appears to focus on civvie shipbuilding. That's why every time Russkies bring up building their proposed Nimitz equivalent I just fucking laugh.
 
Unlikely IMO. Turkey is still keeping the Bosporus closed so they can't join the shitshow in the Black Sea, even if they wanted to. It's theoretically possible they might send her back to the Med to bomb Syria to test her out, but that seems risky given how much of a shitshow it was last time they did that.
Most likely explanation is it's just yet another in a long string of fuckups. I've posted previously in this thread about the impressive number of shipyard fires/accidents Russia seems to have, and those were just the ones I knew of off the top of my head, I'm sure there are more.
I think he meant that if they're busy fixing the ship then the naval personnel are less likely to get shipped to Ukraine to be Poor Bloody Infantry.
 
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I wonder how many of these accidents are not accidents at all and instead self-sabotage by the crew and/or their buddies who's not looking forward to being deployed after observing this shitshow and the fate of their comrades for almost a year now.
I'd say unlikely considering most of these types of accidents were going on long before this war. A Russian private sneaking off and blowing up an ammo dump seemed to happen every few years, and this isn't the first, second, or even third time that pile of shit carrier has gone up in flames. Russia doesn't really have what you'd consider a safety culture.
 
I think he meant that if they're busy fixing the ship then the naval personnel are less likely to get shipped to Ukraine to be Poor Bloody Infantry.
Nah if they're worried about being shipped out as infantry instead then the best thing for them would be for the ship to get repaired and underway ASAP. Less crew needed, and less to do while it's laid up, meaning it'd be more likely for them to get pressed if they're in the yard too long.
 
Admiral Kuznetsov returns to port unable to leave port without being upside down and melting. The absolute state of the Russian military.
That doesn't even scratch the surface of what a pile of shit that thing is. The hunk of shit is basically a 40k imperium ship irl. Whole sections are blocked off and welded shut. Half the toilets don't even work. It runs on barely refined fuel oil that's improperly heated, producing thick black clouds of smoke when underway. It constantly has to be accompanied by an ocean going tug when it can get out to sea, and most countries main worry when it shows up near their territorial waters isn't "oh shit we're under attack", but instead "dear god this thing better not sink and leave us on the hook for environmental cleanup". The best part? The people who get assigned to it are generally fuck ups or the bottom of the barrel.
 
Blowing up their own ship before Ukraine can sink it. That is some fucking killsteal behavior, and I think we should at minimum kick and temp ban Russia from the server.
yes I know about the Bosporus treaty and that an aircraft carrier in the blacksea would be nearly useless anyway, so it wasn't heading there. BUT JUST LET ME HAVE THIS ONE FOR FUCKS SAKE

@Ghostse

IIRC, the Saudis have lost a few M1A2 crewmen while buttoned up, against the Houthi using Kornet or Konkurs ATGMs.
ok, no HUMAN crew members have been lost.
 
Blowing up their own ship before Ukraine can sink it. That is some fucking killsteal behavior, and I think we should at minimum kick and temp ban Russia from the server.
Don't worry, it'll be back in War Thunder, World of Russian Bias, and DCS to dominate on the West like never before!*
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ok, no HUMAN crew members have been lost.
My bad, by "crewman" I didn't mean to imply they were anything but goatfucking trained-apes.
 
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That doesn't even scratch the surface of what a pile of shit that thing is. The hunk of shit is basically a 40k imperium ship irl. Whole sections are blocked off and welded shut.

I've had multiple people compare it to a middling SCP. Have you seen those pictures of the inside? It looks like some sort of infernal machine that runs on orphan blood.
 
Amid all the talk of fighting and weapons, Mr. Zelensky dangled hope of negotiations. The Ukrainian president’s talk Thursday of a peace formula follows recent discussion by Kyiv of a 10-point peace plan. Mr. Zelensky’s team is currently fleshing out the plan and aims to present its ideas on or around the first anniversary of Russia’s Feb. 24 invasion, according to European and Ukrainian diplomats.

U.S., Ukrainian and NATO officials have said that Ukraine’s bargaining position at any eventual talks—where it is likely to demand significant concessions from Moscow—will depend on its battlefield position, and so Kyiv wants to prepare for potential peace talks by achieving military victories.

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Ukraine Diplomatic Flurry Centers on War, Not Peace​

Zelensky’s Washington meetings and Beijing trip by Russia’s Medvedev aim to secure support for renewed fighting​


Diplomacy is ramping up around Russia’s war in Ukraine, but rather than focusing on negotiations, talks are centered on hardening each side’s battlefield position before a potential Russian offensive that Ukraine and its allies expect early next year.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky on Wednesday implored U.S. leaders to provide his country with more weaponry—and deliver it quickly—during a visit to Washington, his first trip outside Ukraine since Russia launched its large-scale invasion on Feb. 24.

“Russia could stop its aggression if it wanted to, but you can speed up our victory,” Mr. Zelensky told a special joint session of Congress. He mentioned a peace initiative that he had discussed with President Biden but made clear his priority is receiving more weapons.

Mr. Biden, while refraining from significantly increasing arms deliveries, said at a news conference with Mr. Zelensky that the U.S. would continue supporting Kyiv in the fight. “What we talked about today was we’re going to continue to help Ukraine succeed on the battlefield,” Mr. Biden said.

Hours earlier, former Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev met with Chinese leader Xi Jinping in Beijing to discuss the war and related economic issues, delivering a signed letter from Russian President Vladimir Putin, China’s Foreign Ministry said. While Mr. Xi urged Moscow and Kyiv to exercise restraint in their fight and reiterated calls for peace talks between the two sides, he left no doubt where his allegiance and support lie.


Mr. Xi lauded China-Russia ties, Beijing said, and Mr. Medvedev said in an online post that the two had discussed industrial cooperation and other aspects of their strategic partnership. While the Chinese leader has outwardly tried to distance Beijing from Moscow, Mr. Xi has deepened ties in other ways, including building on trade relations in defiance of Western pressure, The Wall Street Journal has reported.

Both sides are seeking advantage on the battlefield as winter sets in and fighting grows more difficult in freezing conditions. Kyiv and Moscow are also working to gain the upper hand in preparation for what many see as inevitable negotiations—though the timing of any talks remains far from clear and appears months away at the earliest.

European diplomats say they strongly believe that Mr. Putin is determined to mount a new offensive at some point between February and April, and so won’t be interested in negotiations until he has attempted a fresh assault and seen how it plays out. Ukrainian military officials have also predicted a Russian winter offensive.

Mr. Putin on Thursday dismissed such suggestions. “Our goal is not to ramp up this military conflict, but, on the contrary, to end this war, that is what we are striving for and will strive for,” he said.

One day earlier he showed signs he is preparing for a protracted war by promising his armed forces unlimited funding for equipment and hardware to pursue the military campaign in Ukraine. He ordered his commanders to supply more improved weaponry to troops, upgrade communications and modernize military draft offices.

Concerns re-emerged this week that Russia might try to shore up its position by drawing its neighbor Belarus into the war, after Mr. Putin visited the country and met with President Alexander Lukashenko, Russia’s staunchest supporter among foreign leaders.

For now, Russian forces are continuing a monthslong assault around the city of Bakhmut, which Moscow’s troops and paramilitaries have been trying to bludgeon from Ukraine’s control.

Mr. Zelensky on Tuesday visited Bakhmut to display support for his troops and defiance toward Russia. “To ensure Bakhmut is not just a stronghold that holds back the Russian army—but for the Russian army to completely pull out—more cannons and shells are needed,” he told Congress on Wednesday.

Russia over recent days has continued attacking Ukraine’s power infrastructure, leaving millions of civilians without heat or electricity for extended periods. Russian forces have also shelled front-line settlements including Kherson, the southern city that Ukrainian troops liberated from Russian occupation last month.

Mr. Biden on Wednesday said he believed Mr. Putin had “no intention of stopping this cruel war.” The White House announced a new security-aid package for Ukraine of roughly $1.8 billion that includes for the first time a Patriot antimissile battery and other sophisticated munitions.

“The U.S. is committed to ensuring that the brave Ukrainian people can continue to defend their country against Russian aggression as long as it takes,” Mr. Biden said.

Still, Mr. Biden maintained U.S. resistance to giving Ukraine weaponry that could decisively tip the battlefield balance in its favor. Instead, U.S. arms are more likely to help Ukraine secure its current positions and defend against Russian attacks on civilian targets, say military analysts.

French President Emmanuel Macron, one of Europe’s most outspoken leaders regarding the war, weighed in Wednesday with support for continuing a strategy of “absolute defense of Ukraine.”

Mr. Macron, who has been among the only Western leaders to speak repeatedly with Mr. Putin this year, offered oblique support for a negotiated peace, arguing that any settlement of the war should take into account Russia’s security concerns.

At the same time, Mr. Macron reiterated his frequent call for Europe to boost its own defenses, exhorting his neighbors to work toward what he calls strategic autonomy. He said the push for defense capabilities that don’t rely on Washington could boost the North Atlantic Treaty Organization in readying to square off against Russia or other adversaries. It could supplement American might within NATO, rather than compete with or undermine it, Mr. Macron and his advisers have said.

Europe’s inability to deliver Ukraine significant quantities of arms has limited Kyiv’s ability to hit back at Russia, military analysts say.

Amid all the talk of fighting and weapons, Mr. Zelensky dangled hope of negotiations. The Ukrainian president’s talk Thursday of a peace formula follows recent discussion by Kyiv of a 10-point peace plan. Mr. Zelensky’s team is currently fleshing out the plan and aims to present its ideas on or around the first anniversary of Russia’s Feb. 24 invasion, according to European and Ukrainian diplomats.

U.S., Ukrainian and NATO officials have said that Ukraine’s bargaining position at any eventual talks—where it is likely to demand significant concessions from Moscow—will depend on its battlefield position, and so Kyiv wants to prepare for potential peace talks by achieving military victories.

Laurence Norman and Ann M. Simmons contributed to this article.

Write to Daniel Michaels at Dan.Michaels@wsj.com

Corrections & Amplifications
Vladimir Putin on Thursday dismissed suggestions that Russia’s goal was to ramp up the military conflict. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said he dismissed the suggestions on Friday. Additionally, Mr. Putin showed signs on Wednesday he was preparing for a protracted war. An earlier version of this article incorrectly said he showed signs on Thursday. (Corrected on Dec. 22)

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@Ghostse

IIRC, the Saudis have lost a few M1A2 crewmen while buttoned up, against the Houthi using Kornet or Konkurs ATGMs.

Still looking for the particular video, but the last one I saw was caught broadside while on the move right to left; it penetrated the hull & looked like something cooked off in the turret, blew the top hatches off (or they were unsecured), then did the giant blowtorch impression. Maybe the driver survived, but anyone in the turret definitely didn't.
The conflict in Yemen proves two things first that you cannot buy a functioning military apparatus you can buy as expensive equipment as you want but you still need a competent military to fire this s***
2 that willpower and determination are just as critical factors in winning a conflict the yemenis want to win the war for the country's Independence


I can also see the same reflection in Ukraine Ukraine has many of the same weapon systems the Russians have they just have competent people behind them
They also believe in fighting for the independence of Ukraine
 
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The conflict in Yemen proves two things first that you cannot buy a functioning military apparatus you can buy as expensive equipment as you want but you still need a competent military to fire this s***
2 that willpower and determination are just as critical factors in winning a conflict the yemenis want to win the war for the country's Independence
I agree with the post, except its worth bringing up the Yemeni Civil War is a 3.5 way clusterfuck, between Iranian-backed shiite rebels ("Houthis"), Saudi-backed sunni Yemeni government, UAE-backed southern breakaway/independence government (also sunni), and a few AQ/ISIS turbo-goatfuckers running amok in the desert fighting all sides.
I'm really not sure where the meme of the Yemeni Civil War being Saudi Arabia vs Yemen comes from, but god is it rampant and pervasive.

That bring said, Ukraine is (or aught to be) the actual example of an actual ally worth investing weapons and aid in; especially compared to literally any proxy force in any goatfucker war...
 
That doesn't even scratch the surface of what a pile of shit that thing is. The hunk of shit is basically a 40k imperium ship irl. Whole sections are blocked off and welded shut. Half the toilets don't even work. It runs on barely refined fuel oil that's improperly heated, producing thick black clouds of smoke when underway. It constantly has to be accompanied by an ocean going tug when it can get out to sea, and most countries main worry when it shows up near their territorial waters isn't "oh shit we're under attack", but instead "dear god this thing better not sink and leave us on the hook for environmental cleanup". The best part? The people who get assigned to it are generally fuck ups or the bottom of the barrel.
Are there any public pics of the inside? That sounds hilarious.
 
I'm really not sure where the meme of the Yemeni Civil War being Saudi Arabia vs Yemen comes from, but god is it rampant and pervasive.
From the same place that far-right support for Russia comes from; Iran is opposed to the US and especially Israel, so "I support the opposite of [current thing]" NPCs will ignore Iran's proxy wars in the name of "anti-imperialism", despite them openly boasting about controlling four Arab capitals.
 
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