Disney General - The saddest fandom on Earth

[Introvertigo]

You know it's the 27th of December and six days from now Mickey Mouse is going to be in the public domain, and seeing how the last two animated Disney films were failures and the possibility that the new Disney CEO is going to be not Jewish, I think 2023 will be a new Era for Disney.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

six days from now Mickey Mouse is going to be in the public domain

Steamboat Willie Mickey will be public domain. Modern Mickey is practically his own separate character.

Too bad Oswald the Lucky Rabbit's likeness is trademarked.

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

It was very much a 4D theatre experience, since besides the pre-show having a Tim Curry Robot torture alien Snuffalufagus as a 'demonstration' of teleportation technology*, the bulk of the 'ride' was really people sitting in seats (restraints lowered but this was to keep people seated at all times - this was the reason for the height requirement, the seats otherwise didn't even move) with little tricks to make you think the alien monster was stalking around (audio projection with white noise, 'ticklers' blasting air at your ankles, and squirting water on you when the guy on the catwalk got eaten and you were hit with 'blood').

(*the entire reason for this pre-show, by the way, was to underscore that this was not usual disney world fare, but considerably far darker an experience)

But yeah, the actual product was great, but it absolutely should not have been allowed to anybody under the age of 13. Part of the reason it also got pulled is the guy playing the leader alien (who amusingly gets trapped on a planet full of monsters just like the one you 'encounter') was found guilty of rape charges so they converted it into a less intense version with Stitch that lost pretty much the whole point of the experience. Personally, I think Disney could bring it back in some form as a Halloween thing for older guests (and ONLY older guests), since it really showed what Imagineering could pull off once you ditch the need to be child friendly.

EDIT: Found a 'ride through' video for you with the Tim Curry robot pre-show. Most of the 'ride' was legitimately in darkness, for obvious reasons.

I remember tyra banks and Kathy najimy were in it

 

[ZMOT]

Steamboat Willie Mickey will be public domain. Modern Mickey is practically his own separate character.

Too bad Oswald the Lucky Rabbit's likeness is trademarked.

doesn't matter, you'll see steamboat willie with a maga hat and it will inevitably reflect on current mickey (tbh I wonder why no one tried to meme mickey into an alt-right dogwhistle like the ok sign or pepe, it would be even more hilarious).

And to take a break on studio economics... the public ain't there. Sure a lot of people online would love to see 2D make a come back, but the public in general don't have much in terms of preference, and the 3D movies tend to be flashier and easier to get kid's attention. It is what it is.

kids don't give a shit, if they even grasp the difference between 2d and 3d and not just "cartoon". this is also mostly a burger thing, other countries still do 2d animation.

in the end it doesn't really matter whatever the dimension, shit movie will be shit regardless.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

kids don't give a shit, if they even grasp the difference between 2d and 3d and not just "cartoon". this is also mostly a burger thing, other countries still do 2d animation.

Kids don’t pay for the films though, the parents do. Gen X dropped 2D hard as they felt the Disney films past the Lion King were shit (exceptions being Lilo & Stitch and Tarzan). I talk to my mom a bit and she will go off about how Atlantis and Treasure Planet are shit films, at best Hercules is seen as okay. Compare them to Pixar, and my parents will willing watch a Toy Story even with no kids around. I catch my dad watching animated films, but it is just Pixar (Toy Story and Incredibles) or How To Train Your Dragon.

2D died because parents felt more fulfilled watching the 3D films. Those films took older audiences into consideration more and it shows. Why take your kid to a half-baked Disney feature like Brother bear when Finding Nemo is right around the corner?

 

[Kari Kamiya]

talk to my mom a bit and she will go off about how Atlantis and Treasure Planet are shit films

Why do mothers have such shit taste in movies as they get older? Like my mom adored Don Bluth up until the '90s, but then again, his quality was suffering at that time. And although we saw some shitty '90s animated movies like The King and I and Quest for Camelot, we never got those on VHS for a reason.

Oh... wait. That's why 2D died.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Why do mothers have such shit taste in movies as they get older? Like my mom adored Don Bluth up until the '90s, but then again, his quality was suffering at that time. And although we saw some shitty '90s animated movies like The King and I and Quest for Camelot, we never got those on VHS for a reason.

Oh... wait. That's why 2D died.

Maturity and Nostalgia? My mom is not the biggest fan of most things. In terms of theatrical animation, she just seems to like the Disney films between The Little Mermaid to Lion King, and the early Pixar films not including Incredibles, Ratatouille, and maybe Bug’s Life?

My dad is also pretty bad when it comes to animation and shows another side of why 2D got killed. He is definitely from the Star Wars generation, and that period of time when movie effects and animation were going up. We talk about superhero films a lot as he is a big Marvel guy and he pretty much says he won’t watch an animated superhero movie. To him, the spectacle of having a real life element to the films is more cool. Even if Avengers is practically 90% cgi, just having real actors makes it more desirable to him than if it was a 100% animated film. I think this mindset plays into 2D vs 3D as this gen takes 3D as the next technology step, so why would you go backwards. Movies are pretty much just a spectacle to them, so you can never really go back.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

We talk about superhero films a lot as he is a big Marvel guy and he pretty much says he won’t watch an animated superhero movie.

Sorry dude, but your dad is a faggot and is part of the problem of why it is movies suck. You can't be a real Marvel fan and dismiss animated canon just like that (watch Marvel but will not touch the '60s Spider-Man? You're on my shitlist). Next you're going to say he's never read a single issue, either.

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

Sorry dude, but your dad is a faggot and is part of the problem of why it is movies suck. You can't be a real Marvel fan and dismiss animated canon just like that (watch Marvel but will not touch the '60s Spider-Man? You're on my shitlist). Next you're going to say he's never read a single issue, either.

He isn’t that bad about shows. TV and film have weird rule sets for people where 2D become cool again if it is a show. He does watch What If? He is just not interested in something like Spider-Verse for instance. Maybe it is an MCU thing, IDK?

He used too love Justice League and the X-Men cartoons back in the 2000s. I just think film-wise he wants ‘real’. I think this came about because I said DC should just be animated, to which he said Batman needs to be live action for films. Again, I am not sure?

I think entertainment just changed over the past decade, so now a lot of people just stick to Disney shit because nostalgia and the how the MCU was cool for cinema with the connected world and all. Star Wars and the MCU over the past decade have really killed cinema, and many don’t like much past it now other than pre-2010 films.

 

[Candlelight Desolation]

They probably wouldn't do it now because Baba Yaga is mostly associated with Russia, and we need to show "solidarity" with those poor Ukies. I mean my idea was combining that story with RRH and Hansel and Gretel like... you could make Baba Yaga the villain and have the big bad wolf as a secondary antagonist, but this will never happen, especially after the situation in eastern Europe.

I took some time out today to throw together this chart, basically theatrical animated Disney films by country to show how much European folklore they've actually covered. Wales is there because The Black Cauldron's source material is based on Welsh folklore, and Denmark has that note there taking The Lion King's source material (Hamlet, which is set in Denmark) in mind. Iraq and Saudi Arabia are both green because Aladdin is a sort of mishmash of both regions.

Disney's said in the past that they want to make their films more "racially diverse", so I guess Slavs, Spaniards, Romanians, Portuguese, Hungarians, and Finns are out of luck if they want a movie based on their own folk stories.

 

[ZMOT]

Sorry dude, but your dad is a faggot and is part of the problem of why it is movies suck. You can't be a real Marvel fan and dismiss animated canon just like that (watch Marvel but will not touch the '60s Spider-Man? You're on my shitlist). Next you're going to say he's never read a single issue, either.

the problem is lot of people treat "cartoon" as "kiddie shit", even if the source is the same "kiddie shit" they enjoy the big screen adaption of. ironically then the whole industry gets dunked on by a single japenese "kiddie shit" manga.

the other issue is that marvel/DC capeshit is unapproachable as fuck. so you like the spidey movie and want some more? where to start, golden age, silver age, ultimate spiderman? and suddenly the story doesn't make sense anymore, better read some the other capeshit comic you have no interest in for it to make sense. and wait, who is that dude, I though spiderman was peter parker just as the movies said?!

the smart play would've been to reboot/break off the stories (they're are a multiverse for this exact reason), or even republish in an easier to digest package after the MCU made it big so normies have an easier time getting into it, and maybe grab they'll grab more. but even if not, you still sold them more "content". they're normies with a surface level interest in nerd shit after all.

the mom however...

Kids don’t pay for the films though, the parents do. Gen X dropped 2D hard as they felt the Disney films past the Lion King were shit (exceptions being Lilo & Stitch and Tarzan). I talk to my mom a bit and she will go off about how Atlantis and Treasure Planet are shit films, at best Hercules is seen as okay. Compare them to Pixar, and my parents will willing watch a Toy Story even with no kids around. I catch my dad watching animated films, but it is just Pixar (Toy Story and Incredibles) or How To Train Your Dragon.

2D died because parents felt more fulfilled watching the 3D films. Those films took older audiences into consideration more and it shows. Why take your kid to a half-baked Disney feature like Brother bear when Finding Nemo is right around the corner?

not to crap on your mom, but I'm curious to hear why she thinks are shit film (different theme doesn't make a film shit, just not fitting for my taste, but that's me). also not liking hercules but watching tarzan?

I also don't get what you mean with "talking older audiences into consideration". treasure planet was YA (same as HTTYD), atlantis is a full blown adult adventure/pulp movie with how many people died (which I assume was part of the reason they failed, it wasn't what western normies expect/want from disney or animation in general). hercules got more adult humor than tarzan, lion king or any other movie of the disney renaissance. so if the goal is to appeal to parents, those movies did it a lot more.
unless you mean older movies appealed better to all audiences, but that has nothing to do with 3d or 2d, just look at anime which is most of the time 2d.

 

[huecoffs02]

I took some time out today to throw together this chart, basically theatrical animated Disney films by country to show how much European folklore they've actually covered. Wales is there because The Black Cauldron's source material is based on Welsh folklore, and Denmark has that note there taking The Lion King's source material (Hamlet, which is set in Denmark) in mind. Iraq and Saudi Arabia are both green because Aladdin is a sort of mishmash of both regions.

Disney's said in the past that they want to make their films more "racially diverse", so I guess Slavs, Spaniards, Romanians, Portuguese, Hungarians, and Finns are out of luck if they want a movie based on their own folk stories.

Disney animating a wholesome Aztec decapitation ritual for diversity points when?

 

[Basic Blond Boy]

not to crap on your mom, but I'm curious to hear why she thinks are shit film (different theme doesn't make a film shit, just not fitting for my taste, but that's me). also not liking hercules but watching tarzan?

Hercules is weird as she doesn’t think it is bad, more just okay. Take into consideration that many felt that way upon release as it was kinda seen as Aladdin but with less direction. I think Doug Walker actually touched on it pretty well. Hercules was sort of designed to be discount Aladdin from the start, so those who went through the first half of the Disney Renaissance, saw those incredible films then saw the drop in quality with Hercules in comparison and hated it.

This also goes for:

not to crap on your mom, but I'm curious to hear why she thinks are shit film (different theme doesn't make a film shit, just not fitting for my taste, but that's me). also not liking hercules but watching tarzan?

I also don't get what you mean with "talking older audiences into consideration". treasure planet was YA (same as HTTYD), atlantis is a full blown adult adventure/pulp movie with how many people died (which I assume was part of the reason they failed, it wasn't what western normies expect/want from disney or animation in general). hercules got more adult humor than tarzan, lion king or any other movie of the disney renaissance. so if the goal is to appeal to parents, those movies did it a lot more.
unless you mean older movies appealed better to all audiences, but that has nothing to do with 3d or 2d, just look at anime which is most of the time 2d.

Again, compare Treasure Planet and Atlantis to The Lion King, and it is kinda obvious why many felt it didn’t live up. I think the YA style was also a huge turn off for many because, well, again, they wanted Disney Renaissance movies.

When I talk about taking adults into consideration, I feel like Atlantis comes off too try hard. It’s like the DC Comics answer where being darker now means more adult. The Killing Joke may be a fantastic story, but many would prefer the animated series as it isn’t the death toll or messed up individuals they care about, but how much they sympathize with the characters. Also dark shit also just doesn’t sell well. Maybe it is peak consumer culture, but when I show my parents, say Joker, it is always met with why isn’t it funny like Marvel, DC too dark.

Toy Story was really loved as it was a story about parents for parents. A “toy” losing his kid to the new best thing. The sequel has the “toy” think about what happens when the child leaves. The 3rd is the “toy” dealing with the kid going to college. Toy Story wasn’t dark, but it’s theme was built for an adult audience. All their films were from Nemo to Incredibles. The ones that don’t follow that are the ones you see people dislike outside the internet such as Ratatouille and Wall-E. DreamWorks also capitalized on this as even if How To Train Your Dragon is pretty YA, the heart of the series was the father/son bond. Neither Pixar or DreamWorks made dark movies, but their films were seen as more adult because they took on adult issues or held more comedy for adults.

The 2000s was a time where much of Disney’s audience was now into adulthood. Pixar gripped them with parent stories and DreamWorks/Blue Sky held a lot of cynicism in the early years, two things you can tell were heavily appreciated. Disney couldn’t keep up as they hadn’t figured out why people left. They were either making lesser musicals to what they had previously done prior to Pocahontas or were doing more YA stuff, both of which missed what people were liking.
As for Treasure Planet and Atlantis more as movies, I think watching Doug is once again the best explanation. He likes the films yet says they are shit as they are too Disney, which gets in the way of action. His takes me be shit, but I don’t think they are solely his.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

also not liking hercules but watching tarzan?

My mom didn't seem to care for Hercules either, which is why we didn't have it on VHS and it took us years before we got it on DVD where she just gives it a shrug and nothing more. It being bastardized Greek mythology probably didn't appeal to her after she had taken a course on Greek mythology, and I can see that being a reason someone wouldn't have liked it even back then. It's picked up in popularity over the years due to its presentation (it's a very unique style for Disney and it's got that Las Vegas flair) and how hard the music slaps, and of course there's Danny DeVito and nowadays Hades has become a prima donna/gay icon through Tumblr. So it's getting its due years after its release.

Also in the same vein, my mom didn't get us Hunchback either because she thought through the previews that Disney got too immature about its humor (tbf the VHS trailers give off a different feel compared to the theatrical trailer which may have given mixed feelings and also showed off Hellfire and Esmeralda pole-dancing lol). Sometimes I wonder how I would've taken to the movie as a kid as it's my all-time personal favorite Disney movie as an adult, but who knows.

 

[The Decimator]

I’d never heard of that Alien Encounter ride until it was brought up in this thread. I would’ve loved to have gone on it!

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/companies/disney-should-spin-off-espn-and-abc-analyst-says/ar-AA15v8p7

 

[Cherry Eyed Hamster]

Regardless, looks like the folks at Pixar really got butthurt over the claims of them being "passive progressive" over their previous "blink and you miss it" diversity characters and decided to jump two feet into the worst hornet nest, troon kids.

I mean, to me this is fucking awesome, I can't wait to read the headlines "my 10 year old wants puberty blockers after watching disney +", gonna piss myself laughing, I mean, imagine Zip-A-Dee-Doo-Dah Disney taking part into the chemical castration of a generation.

And this here is exactly the reason why Disney pushing/being lackadaisical about this shit is dangerous.

Having a “trans kid” in a Disney show, when the trans movement is already taking off all over the West, is only enforcing to young people that it’s okay to take body-altering hormones and make heavy lifestyle decisions when you don’t feel comfortable in your skin. This country is already catering to man/womanchildren and transgenderism is just one of the many facets of postmodern infantilism. The fact the largest multi-billion dollar corporation is pushing this onto young children, when their brains are like sponges, is honestly so disgusting and nefarious to me. Rate me MATI.

 

[Product Placement]

You know it's the 27th of December and six days from now Mickey Mouse is going to be in the public domain, and seeing how the last two animated Disney films were failures and the possibility that the new Disney CEO is going to be not Jewish, I think 2023 will be a new Era for Disney.

Disney still own the trademark for Mickey Mouse, they will sue any who isn't just putting out the cartoons which is in the public domain, also your a yea are early it happens in 2024.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

The big change with Disney's move to 3d is that they basically abandoned the male children demographic for the last two decades. Early Marvel was almost made for boys, but Whedon have shift the demographic to nostalgia obsessed adult children.
Of course parents won't enjoy Hercules, Atlantis etc., those films are made for boys rather than gimp themselves to get wide appeal.
For 12 year old today the only two options for media would be either anime or Fortnite because quite literally everything else is for the parents, the sisters or indoctrination.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

They're continuing to fund this shit.