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Haven't you spend entire pages reeing about how US has to fight for Ukraine?
Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)
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You first vatnik, I'm sure they could use nurses, maybe you could provide a blowjob alternative for the 3 straight guys there in the Russian lines.
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See, knowing a few languages comes in handy, and makes one less prone to looking ridiculous. Also debunks the "Ugly American" stereotype.
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I know 5 besides English, but I'd never learn a useless one like Russian (check out my profile). Get your little ass over to Bakhmut and get on your knees for Ruski morale vatnik.
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German made Flakpanzer Gepard SPAAGs seem to be doing the trick when it comes to the Geran-2 loitering munitions:
Footage of Ukrainians operating one on New Years:
I saw at least 3 blips on the radar display, but the Gepard only engaged one. Not comprehensive protection, but at least they're shooting some down. Makes their "72 out of 46 Russian missiles shot down" claims more believable at least. Here's the view from the outside:
You know what they always say.
Footage of Ukrainians operating one on New Years:
I saw at least 3 blips on the radar display, but the Gepard only engaged one. Not comprehensive protection, but at least they're shooting some down. Makes their "72 out of 46 Russian missiles shot down" claims more believable at least. Here's the view from the outside:
You know what they always say.
Dammit Mandrake!
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Russian is hardly a useless language. Especially now.
I find myself increasingly skeptical of you and what you say.
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NGL Russian is useful especially now I just hold Russia and Russians in such contempt I would never do it.
Dammit Mandrake!
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Reconsider. I married a Russian major and she is raking in the dosh the last ten months. Don't be a fool.
Life doesn't give a shit about what side you are on or whatever. You speak Russian? Make that cash. All sides in this thread will back you on that!
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Russian's got a complicated verb system like Spanish and 5 noun declensions, plus it's full of jaw-cracking consonant clusters and not that much familiar vocab for me. It's just not worth the time. If I weren't married I'd have thought about learning it and running off to join Azov, but then again I speak Arabic very well but ended up choosing a life of luxury over going to fight with the Lions of Rojava against ISIS.Reconsider. I married a Russian major and she is raking in the dosh the last ten months. Don't be a fool.
Life doesn't give a shit about what side you are on or whatever. You speak Russian? Make that cash. All sides in this thread will back you on that!
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I think this arguing is pointless. The war in Ukraine is obvious to me at how nobody wins in war, except for profiteers and imperialists.
If Russia wins, they are emboldened and present a clear and present danger to the region. This means more destabilization and a massive arms build up.
If Ukraine wins, NATO is emboldened to destabilize the region and Ukraine effectively becomes a corporate client state as massive 'investment firms' and vulture capitalists storm it to 'rebuild'. Zelensky becomes the puppet he was made out to be.
In both scenarios, the people of Ukraine lose autonomy. One to the brutal cold hand of Russia, the other the velvet lined iron glove of capitalist influence. 'Gentler' than thr Russian imperialists, but no less crushing. The money being poured in will be repaid one way or another, and Zelensky has gorged at the trough to look the other way.
There are no good sides, only lesser evils. And that is Ukraine winning. It will stop the loss of life and the invasion and keep some morale up. But there's still a loss.
Everyone loses in war. Except the wealthy and powerful.
If Russia wins, they are emboldened and present a clear and present danger to the region. This means more destabilization and a massive arms build up.
If Ukraine wins, NATO is emboldened to destabilize the region and Ukraine effectively becomes a corporate client state as massive 'investment firms' and vulture capitalists storm it to 'rebuild'. Zelensky becomes the puppet he was made out to be.
In both scenarios, the people of Ukraine lose autonomy. One to the brutal cold hand of Russia, the other the velvet lined iron glove of capitalist influence. 'Gentler' than thr Russian imperialists, but no less crushing. The money being poured in will be repaid one way or another, and Zelensky has gorged at the trough to look the other way.
There are no good sides, only lesser evils. And that is Ukraine winning. It will stop the loss of life and the invasion and keep some morale up. But there's still a loss.
Everyone loses in war. Except the wealthy and powerful.
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Well ackshually Hitler managed to conquer most of continental Europe with only 30 000 casualties on his side. Not even Napoleon managed to do that.
3rd Reich lost for 3 reasons:
1) Hitler was dumb enough to believe that British will come to their senses and join him on his crusade to exterminate communism, so he cancelled operation Sea Lion. If he went with it, Churchil's speech would have a sequel: We shall fight them on the beaches... for about 10 minutes. We shall fight them on the hills... for about an hour and Britain wouldn't serve as a port for Americans ships supplying the Soviets.
2) Hitler was too snobby to court Belarussians, Poles, Ukrainians, all those ethnic groups who hated Soviets much more than Nazis. If he was humble enough to give them some honorary Aryan status instead of bullying them immediately, he'd beat Soviet Russia hands down.
3) USA, or to be more precise Roosevelt, really wanted to fuck with Germany. The first 2 reasons could be just setbacks, but having USA in the equation doomed 3rd Reich from the start.
Like it or not, Nazis were like Tutsi, Zulu, Sikhs, etc.: not very numerous, but very resourceful and disciplined ethnic groups who'd conquer (genocide) their neighbors and keep order and unity if not for a much stronger entity meddling in their affairs (do-gooders and fools like Bono for Tutsi, British Empire for Zulu and Sikhs, USA for Nazis) who had it in their best interest to keep the place hopelessly messed up and divided.
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The arguing about each other's sexual proclivities that's been the past three pages, I agree. But debating the war has value. Your takeaway that "nobody wins in war" is valid as an insightful commentary highlighting the tragedy but clearly isn't factually true. Lockheed Martin is celebrating it. Equally if Russia can prevent the slow salami death of the federation that the US has clearly been gunning for and to which arming Ukraine and trying to put NATO troops on the Russian border was a key part of, then that is a win for Russia.
Anyway, I don't mean to nitpick. I don't disagree with the logic of your post but I think the premise is flawed. Specifically you talk about "the people of the Ukraine" as if this is a useful grouping in these terms. I don't think it is. Ukraine has been in civil war since the coup in 2014. The Western Ukranian government has been shelling Donbass ever since and arguably would in the next fifteen or twenty years having crushed independence in that region potentially in preparation for military incursions into Russia. After all - those fortifications they've spent eight years building look far more logically placed to be a staging line for offensive military operations than they look like as defensive given they don't extend back into Ukraine much. You can't really talk about a positive or negative outcome for Ukranian people when you treat them as a unified blob. Which is why you talk only in terms of either way Ukraine loses.
What I want to see is a negotiated peace along lines that would make for long-term stability. To me that is the breakaway republics either gaining independence or joining Russia (former used to be more likely, now the latter is). That would be good for them compared to what they've endured under the Zelenksy and Poroshenko administrations. As regards Western Ukranians, the picture is more grim imo. If they survive as a nation state (probable) then they will be owned by Western business interests and militarily by NATO almost wholly. They will have next to no agency. If they don't then they will be eaten up by Poland and maybe Hungary will take a nibble.
I think the cost is going to be horrible - it can't be otherwise given how many lives have already been lost - but I think there is a "win" condition for Russia and the people in the breakaway regions. That's preservation of the federation, their membership in it and European leaders hopefully discovering a spine somewhere and pushing back on US expansionism and not backing Ukranian membership in NATO.
EDIT: Separately, I'm surprised we don't have BonerFart and similar crowing about the big missile strike on Russian troops from yesterday. Apparently Russian commanders made an extremely ill-advised large grouping of troops in a poorly defended place and it got hit hard by American HIMARS. 500 dead was rumoured though could be fewer.
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Sea Lion was never more than a fantasy anyway. The Germans had none of the resources necessary to mount a seaborne invasion of the UK.
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@teriyakiburns agreed, though in hindsight it would be possible to gobble up the Isles first before opening up the Eastern Front. My point was that Hitler admired the British Empire and thought the British could be his friends.
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What are you on about? It's not even controversial anymore to claim that Sea Lion would have been a success. The Royal Military Academy itself admited it was likely to succeed, and during the war when UK noticed German's preparing for Sea Lion their intelligence was shitting its pants 24/7 because they knew Germans could land. The only real controversy that remains is whether or not the Germans would later get pushed out of England, but given how underequiped UK was at that point, it is unlikely they would have pushed them out (though the British Military disagrees, as does the common consensus).
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It would have been a far better move than obliterating the majority of the luftwaffe's resources to lightly harass anglos.
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That book is quite the minority report. Germany simply didn't have the transportation boats required for an invasion, nor sufficient aircraft necessary to bring over enough airborne infantry. They could have massed the entire army on the dock at Calais, but without transportation across the channel they would have had no chance. A great deal of British intelligence prognostication on the subject worked on the assumption that they did have the necessary transportation, at which point yes, in 1940 and even late into 1941, we would have been fucked had the Germans invaded. It's a moot point, though; they couldn't cross the channel in numbers sufficient to establish any sort of beachhead.
e: On top of which, the Germans had neither air, nor naval superiority. The British army was decimated and ill-equipped, but the airforce and the navy were still at top strength and expanding.
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Have you heard of 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of SS? It was a Ukrainian only division serving under Nazi Germany that is still very much worshiped in Ukraine. Hitler courted many groups for his campaign against USSR (bar polish) including Estonians (20th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS), Latvians (15th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS), Russians (29th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Russian), 30th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (2nd Russian)), Lithuanians (Litauische Bau-Bataillonen, Litauische Sonderverbände), Albanians(21st Waffen Gebirgs Division of the SS ''Skanderbeg''), Hungarians(XVII Waffen Corps of the SS, 25th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS ''Hunyadi'' (1st Hungarian), 26th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS ''Hungaria'' (2nd Hungarian), 33rd Waffen Cavalry Division of the SS (3rd Hungarian)), French(33rd Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS Charlemagne), etc
The British were under constant fear of German air raids, and combined with the convoy raids, served to starve the British out. Germans kept constant bombing of London, and England in general, as late as 1945 (see V2 rockets)
Read it. It explains quite well how Germans had prepared for the invasion, and also cites many different sources. It's a good book.
They could, though. Even post-war British were forced to admit it.
To all the rest, apologies for my slight ww2 sperging. I'll try to stay on topic
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OK, I was talking about things like not even bothering to sugarcoat their anti-Slavic ideologies and exterminating whole villages for guerrila killings of German officers. Putting skulls (and spikes, I assume) on everything and other atrociously bad PR moves like a bunch of amateurs. Nice way to win hearts & minds - shoot them in the heart and blow their brains out.
Brits did the same in their colonies but were way more subtle about it, so now we remember them as cute comedians, not as stone-cold killers.
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