Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[Overly Serious]

Ukraine had to out of desperation.

But why, if the Ukranian people are so supportive of their government?

EDIT: AgendaPoster just made the same point I did - there's a very sizeable portion of the Ukranian citizenship that don't agree with Zelenksy's actions and in fact lean towards Russia's POV. It was a civil war before it was an international one.

 

[Pork Packer]

As for the Nord stream pipeline argument going on, Im just gonna note that with regards to whichever side dun did it, its almost certain each side has a fuckload of internal factions at odds with one another and pushing for different glowie shit to be done.

The question may well be less "which side dun did it" and more "which side is incompetent/distracted/chaotic/drunk/retarded enough for a rogue hardline actor to access and use insanely important state assets to do something insanely stupid and/or brazen without approval from higher up?"

 

[Overly Serious]

The question may well be less "which side dun did it" and more "which side is incompetent/distracted/chaotic/drunk/retarded enough for a rogue hardline actor to access and use insanely important state assets to do something insanely stupid and/or brazen without approval from higher up?"

Oh well, in that case the US. There isn't anyone higher up than the CIA - they're in control. At least they certainly believe so.

 

[RobotDog]

Ukraine had to out of desperation.

Why would they be desperate? They have already:

• Killed 100,000+ ruZZians,
• Caused Russia to deplete its missiles since march
• Caused Russia to deplete its tanks since march
• Caused Russia to deplete its fuel since march
• Caused Russia to deplete its ideas since march
• Caused Russia to deplete its planes since march
• Caused Russia to deplete its artillery since march
• Rendered the attacks on energy infrastructure useless thanks to the flood of western generators and transformers
• Destroyed 400% of every missile and drone launched against them

It would be pretty cucked for Ukraine to be desperate when they are cleary winning and its just a matter of time for Zelenski to take back not only Crimea, but Moscow away from Putler

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

But why, if the Ukranian people are so supportive of their government?

Aside from Ukrainian sentiment changing after Russia’s military demonstrated gross incompetence, a nation getting invaded is probably going to be under martial law.

 

[Ghostse]

Both Nordstream 1 and 2 were damaged and both targeted. Covertly demolishing pipelines made of 4cm thick steel layered 11cm thick concrete on the sea bed is rather an imprecise science you know. The suggestion that Russia would throw away one of its largest and most effective inducements for Germany to negotiate in favour of some nebulous PR claims that wouldn't be accepted by pro-US Westerners anyway is and remains one of the most absurd claims by the pro-US faction in this whole war.

And in case you have some insane idea that NS1 was accidentally caught in the blast or some stupidity, it was targetted deliberately in two places about 6km apart.

So your "if it was the US why didn't they blow up NS1" question - well, there was an attempt to do exactly that which did indeed successfully cause damage to NS1.

It might have been the US. It might have been the Poles. It might have been the UK and could even have been the French (maybe). But it most certainly not the Russians. "Mr. Putin. Would you like a powerful trillion dollar incentive for Germany to want to end sanctions and negotiate peace... or would you prefer to blow up a decade of our own work under our enemies noses whilst their ships are in the area and then try to convince NATO that they did it themselves?"

People can root for any side they wish or neither, but claiming Russia blew up NS2 is stupidity. The USA has been trying to stop this pipeline since its inception and have said publicly they would do so one way or another. It's massively in their interests, it's in their capabilities, and lets be blunt - it's in their moral standards. Someone on the NATO side did it which is why it's dropped like a hot coal from our media, the Russians have been refused permission to send their own inspectors (when it was a joint project they're experts in) and investigations of the explosion seem to have wrapped up suspiciously quickly.

It's like US troops in Ukraine. Everybody knows they're there. People (even the Russians so far) aren't saying so because of the consequence that they'd then have to respond.

Russia has been citing "mechanical issues" with NS2 since like 2016. Even moving gas, it was plagued by issues from the Russian side which may or may not have been attempts to steal/reroute NG and then claim it has gone over the pipeline. The Germans were getting sick the Russians shit and were about to start imposing financial penalties. These would have been not great before, but post sanctions it would have required Russia use already low supplies of foreign currency. The explosion of NS2 got GAZPROM out of a sticky situation.

We know it couldn't have the CIA, because it succeeded.

The question may well be less "which side dun did it" and more "which side is incompetent/distracted/chaotic/drunk/retarded enough for a rogue hardline actor to access and use insanely important state assets to do something insanely stupid and/or brazen without approval from higher up?"

So if that's your reasoning, then how the hell did Brazil pull it off?

 

[Pork Packer]

Everyone, including hohols, thought Russia was going to curb-stomp Kiev in a few days. Ukrainians are more confident now than at the beginning of the war.

A good way to think about this is to imagine one day while you are out minding your own business you get ambushed by an honest to god M1 Abrams tank out of a nearby alley.

Terrified out your mind all you can do as it bears down on you and aims its gun at you is to reach down and throw a random rock at it......only to see the rock punch straight through the turret and hear a scream of pain, and some anaemic midget dressed as Tommy Pickles from rugrats climb out the top and run away down the same alley.

Seconds later the tank....which now you look at it seems to be made entirely of Styrofoam and has an engine which sounds suspiciously like that of a golf cart reverses sharply away, smashing itself on a nearby dumpster, causing another aids looking dwarf wearing only a fedora and ahego pattern socks to scurry out one of the gaps in the sides and run into the night, and you become aware of the terrified gibbering of a dozen more midgets from within the alleged tank

This causes its gun....which now you look at it looks suspiciously like a civil war era cannon that was reported stolen from the local confederate museum last week.... to go off and fire a spray of scrap metal and fidget spinners into the air ten feet away from you

Suddenly from out the sky your tranny admin janny friend uses his NEETbux drone to drop you his dads old shotgun and a box of ammo from above along with a note in comic sans saying "h*ckin OOF that gamergate chonker UWU"

You are basically in ukraines situation. Sure you are still technically outnumbered and outgunned, sure you still aint prepared for this shit, sure your allies have uh....issues of their own, and sure this shit is realistically far from settled but you are now reasonably optimistic as to your chances

 

[AgendaPoster]

But why, if the Ukranian people are so supportive of their government?

EDIT: AgendaPoster just made the same point I did - there's a very sizeable portion of the Ukranian citizenship that don't agree with Zelenksy's actions and in fact lean towards Russia's POV. It was a civil war before it was an international one.

Yeah it's an ethnic conflict. Both sides can be citizens of the same country, yet hate each other to guts. This is why there is no magic dirt, no document that can truly make you be a REAL person of some ethnic group. No amount of liberal propaganda can make Afghans into Swedes. No passport can make an Algerian in a French.
Ethnicity and its parent group, race, stand above the pure constructs of nationality, and are largely the reason we have war. None of these concepts are perfectly defined and delimited, they are statistical entities. So you'd have self>family>friends>tribe[...]ethnic group>racial group, and just like we see here, you can be part of the same racial group of whites, you can be both Slavs as an encompassing tribe, but if the ethnic belonging, with culture, history etc. becomes clearly defined, it can always result in bloodshed. Hence both Soviets and Russians trying to erase the national and tribal identity of groups that they engulfed. Very common tactic. Tito did the same in Yugoslavia, and the US is quite famous for its ways to mongrelize it all. Failure to deal with national ID results in Austria-Hungary type of imperial collapse.
If Russia would take ownership of Ukraine one of its steps would be to make everything in education and media Russian, praise traditional Russian heroes, build statues to them, make theater Russian, essentially that's what "denazification" truly means. Even Ukraine is quite well known for doing the exact same thing to Poles, Romanians and Hungarians, in an attempt to Ukrainize the minority territories.
Always risky, resentment builds, last for ages, some might tolerate it like Romanians and Poles (begrudgingly), some like Russians might go to war, some like Hungarians might just sabotage your resistance.
Complex issues. Boring. Make more memes. I'm sure they have larger audience.

 

[teriyakiburns]

But why, if the Ukranian people are so supportive of their government?

EDIT: AgendaPoster just made the same point I did - there's a very sizeable portion of the Ukranian citizenship that don't agree with Zelenksy's actions and in fact lean towards Russia's POV. It was a civil war before it was an international one.

A third of the population of the American colonies opposed the war of independence.

 

[demicolon]

The explosion of NS2 got GAZPROM out of a sticky situation.

Spoiler: yeah Gazprom flushed this down the NS2 pipe

 

[teriyakiburns]

Spoiler: yeah Gazprom flushed this down the NS2 pipe

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They would have used a pig.

 

[demicolon]

They would have used a pig.

They would have flushed bacon grease 'till the pipe would clog and burst.

 

[RobotDog]

lol just like Andrew Milburn said

Khokhols at the main defense company of their country cucking the shit out of their armed forces by embezzling money and sending shit equipment to them, no wonder Zelenski has to beg around the world for money and weapons

Just las month it was announced that this company was to develop weapons and equipment jointly with NATO defense companies

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

lol just like Andrew Milburn said
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Khokhols at the main defense company of their country cucking the shit out of their armed forces by embezzling money and sending shit equipment to them, no wonder Zelenski has to beg around the world for money and weapons
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Just las month it was announced that this company was to develop weapons and equipment jointly with NATO defense companies View attachment 4179424
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Sounds to me like Zelenskyy is doing a better job cleaning up corruption than the Kremlin.

 

[Glowing In The Streets]

when can we expect Zelenskyyy to appear in fortnite? 2023 or 2024? will it be posthumous?

now that winter is coming and going, can we expect an actual mobilization by march?

 

[CaptainAutism69]

it was plagued by issues from the Russian side which may or may not have been attempts to steal/reroute NG and then claim it has gone over the pipeline.

yea the Russians are going to steal their own gas, and reroute it through the many junctions on the pipeline, and of course Germany has no means of telling if gas came out of the other end. God you're dumber than your typical Ukranian sex worker/woman/same thing.

As for Ukraine having martial law, well, d'oh?!? It's invaded, its cities bombarded, so chaos, looting etc. could always start.
But worse, Ukraine is having a sizable population of Russian, a deeply hostile minority, so it's basically an infiltrated country, and needs to root these people out and preventing them from sending info to the Russian Army/Intelligence, preventing from sabotaging infrastructure and more. Ukraine NEEDS martial law, be happy it didn't inter all Russians like the US did with the Japanese, as that would be the reasonable solution.

Wait, are they Russians or Ukranian? or something else? Cause you know, you're making it sound more and more like Putin was in the right and the East are entitled to self-determination.

 

[Rome's rightful successor]

when can we expect Zelenskyyy to appear in fortnite? 2023 or 2024? will it be posthumous?

now that winter is coming and going, can we expect an actual mobilization by march?

Didn't mlk appeared in fortnite? Zelensky seem inevitable.

 

[Fait Accompli]

2 HIMARS strikes this past day ( during Putins new years speech, lmao ) with atleast hundreds of casualties. HIMARS has proven to be real effective and Ukraine doesnt even have a big number of them. Imagine what kind of damage they could do with hundreds of these systems

It probably has been the biggest game changer from the west so far, no?

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

yea the Russians are going to steal their own gas, and reroute it through the many junctions on the pipeline, and of course Germany has no means of telling if gas came out of the other end.

Russians are turbo niggers who steal everything. Real life examples of their turbo nigger behavior can be easily demonstrated.

Russian man accused of stealing an entire road

www.nbcnews.com

Russian Navy Commander Stole Two 13-Ton Bronze Propellers From His Own Destroyer

The heist involved substituting the real screws for two fake ones made out of less expensive metal.

www.thedrive.com

 

[The Grognard]

It probably has been the biggest game changer from the west so far, no?

No, that would be having Pentagon provide you with every possible kind of relevant military intelligence and allowing such systems to use the data-link networks that make them the weapon it is. The launcher itself isn't that special, just a wheeled MRLS with a removable rocket cassette as the launcher instead of a more traditional fixed system. The rockets having GPS guidance, that's the thing that makes it an effective tool. While Russia does have their own rocket artillery of comparable range, they still mostly rely on pure inertial guidance and use the more traditional system of fixed tubes. Of course, this artillery wouldn't be nearly as effective without Pentagon providing Ukraine consistent, fresh and reliable intelligence from their satellite pictures and AWACS planes doing constant racetracks in the Black Sea.