Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[draggs]

No, that would be having Pentagon provide you with every possible kind of relevant military intelligence and allowing such systems to use the data-link networks that make them the weapon it is. The launcher itself isn't that special, just a wheeled MRLS with a removable rocket cassette as the launcher instead of a more traditional fixed system. The rockets having GPS guidance, that's the thing that makes it an effective tool. While Russia does have their own rocket artillery of comparable range, they still mostly rely on pure inertial guidance and use the more traditional system of fixed tubes. Of course, this artillery wouldn't be nearly as effective without Pentagon providing Ukraine consistent, fresh and reliable intelligence from their satellite pictures and AWACS planes doing constant racetracks in the Black Sea.

Maybe Russia should have considered that its thumb-fingered war-fighting methods would face major difficulties against the highly efficient technology-driven (or technology-dependent, if you want to look at the downside of it) way of fighting the West developed during and since WW2, when Russia has no effective way of neutralizing those technologies without attacking Western assets directly

 

[Fait Accompli]

No, that would be having Pentagon provide you with every possible kind of relevant military intelligence and allowing such systems to use the data-link networks that make them the weapon it is. The launcher itself isn't that special, just a wheeled MRLS with a removable rocket cassette as the launcher instead of a more traditional fixed system. The rockets having GPS guidance, that's the thing that makes it an effective tool. While Russia does have their own rocket artillery of comparable range, they still mostly rely on pure inertial guidance and use the more traditional system of fixed tubes. Of course, this artillery wouldn't be nearly as effective without Pentagon providing Ukraine consistent, fresh and reliable intelligence from their satellite pictures and AWACS planes doing constant racetracks in the Black Sea.

Well, thats much more abstract. We dont know much about that kind of intelligence, i was mostly thinking about specific weapon systems provided by the west
Im sure you're right about that intelligence though

 

[Feline Supremacist]

2 HIMARS strikes this past day ( during Putins new years speech, lmao ) with atleast hundreds of casualties. HIMARS has proven to be real effective and Ukraine doesnt even have a big number of them. Imagine what kind of damage they could do with hundreds of these systems

It probably has been the biggest game changer from the west so far, no?

Russian MLRS strike on Ukrainian barracks in Druzhovka caught live on French TV, at this time it's estimated 200 hohol grunts eliminated (as in for good).

Des journalistes de Quotidien surpris par un bombardement en Ukraine

Paul Gasnier, Héloïse Grégoire et Théo Palfray sont à Kramatorsk, à l’est de l’Ukraine. Peu avant de prendre l’antenne, ils ont été surpris par un bombardement à quelques dizaines de mètres de l’endroit où ils se trouvaient.

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While Russia is reporting fewer than 100 casualties from the strike on their troops, in Ukraine its HUNDREDS. Also, I don't think its the game changer you and others think it is. Neither side is being honest about casualties, and sometimes we see things we aren't meant to see, by accident or as in the French TV clip.

I recall reading in uni in the run up to WW2 both Germans and Soviets released images of German/Soviet soldiers killed by the Poles when in fact they were dead civilians dressed in their respective countries uniforms, to justify the occupation of Poland. And there were plenty of Party members from Ukraine in the USSR. It's all been updated for the modern era.

 

[The Grognard]

Maybe Russia should have considered that its thumb-fingered war-fighting methods would face major difficulties against the highly efficient technology-driven (or technology-dependent, if you want to look at the downside of it) way of fighting the West developed during and since WW2, when Russia has no effective way of neutralizing those technologies without attacking Western assets directly

Their problem isn't a technological one, because most of the fighting on both sides is still done with stuff from the cold war. It's a cultural one because modern warfare demands far more autonomy from a core of career NCOs in the lower end of the pyramid and a solid Espirit d'corps paired with efficient training of effective soldiers. There also is the matter of planners misreading the whole situation and failing to have plans B, C, D and E in case the gambit at Hostomel Airport failed, with officers on the ground being too scared to deviate from the plan or being forced to wait for new orders instead of doing mission tactics when it's clear imminent action is needed for the situation to be less of a disaster. This soviet-style command rigidity is a problem for both sides but Ukraine at least has the benefit of being on the defense for the most part. Of course, lack of payment also is a major problem because it leads to corruption being necessary for some to have all the creature comforts they desire.

The other one is that they still haven't recovered completely from the break-up of the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact causing many important facilities and brains to suddenly be behind a new border that wasn't there yesterday. Brain drain ensured many of these people left to the west in search of there being payment in a non-joke currency. Add the ridiculous corruption of the 90's and that resulted in them effectively still being stuck to 1989 tech until the mid-2000s when they managed to curb the worst excesses of the 90's. Ukraine's military was still stuck to 1989 until 2014 forced them to do their rapid modernization.

 

[Fait Accompli]

Russian MLRS strike on Ukrainian barracks in Druzhovka caught live on French TV, at this time it's estimated 200 hohol grunts eliminated (as in for good).

Des journalistes de Quotidien surpris par un bombardement en Ukraine

Paul Gasnier, Héloïse Grégoire et Théo Palfray sont à Kramatorsk, à l’est de l’Ukraine. Peu avant de prendre l’antenne, ils ont été surpris par un bombardement à quelques dizaines de mètres de l’endroit où ils se trouvaient.

www.tf1.fr

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While Russia is reporting fewer than 100 casualties from the strike on their troops, in Ukraine its HUNDREDS. Also, I don't think its the game changer you and others think it is. Neither side is being honest about casualties, and sometimes we see things we aren't meant to see, by accident or as in the French TV clip.

I recall reading in uni in the run up to WW2 both Germans and Soviets released images of German/Soviet soldiers killed by the Poles when in fact they were dead civilians dressed in their respective countries uniforms, to justify the occupation of Poland. And there were plenty of Party members from Ukraine in the USSR. It's all been updated for the modern era.

Ofcourse it is a game changer, they can strike ammo depots, concentrations of troops and infrastructure with no impunity

And yeah, this seems like a strike to avenge the HIMARS strike. Its quite odd tho that Russia has mostly been targeting civ infrastructure and all of a sudden strikes a military concentration of troops withing 24 hours of a humiliating strike on their own troops. Why havent they done this before? There is no confirmation of massive casualties at all, it could very well be a russian propaganda spin to flex their muscles. Both Ukraine and Russia lies alot, what is telling is that the Russians confirmed a large number of casualties and lot of people are calling for persecution of the people in charge.

We simply dont know, Ukraine claims one thing, Russia claims another. We know that there is immense anger against the commanders in charge of this garrison and the stupidity to place a ton of conscripts on a focused place atop of ammunition. Regardless, its reasonable to assume hundreds of casualties, dead or not.

Russia cant win militarily at this point, all their bets are on the west ceasing support for Ukraine or destroying the civilian infrastructure to reduce public support for the war. Based on the latest numbers, the west has supported Ukraine with ammo to last until March-april, meanwhile Russia is reducing their artillery strikes to conserve ammunition. Bakhmut still holds, Russians artillery advantage has decreased, Ukraine has better access to precise artillery, Russias artillery advantage has been mostly mitigated. Attacking a fortified position of determined defenders without any sort of air support or artillery advantage means only one thing, massive casualties.

 

[Ghostse]

No, that would be having Pentagon provide you with every possible kind of relevant military intelligence and allowing such systems to use the data-link networks that make them the weapon it is. The launcher itself isn't that special, just a wheeled MRLS with a removable rocket cassette as the launcher instead of a more traditional fixed system. The rockets having GPS guidance, that's the thing that makes it an effective tool. While Russia does have their own rocket artillery of comparable range, they still mostly rely on pure inertial guidance and use the more traditional system of fixed tubes. Of course, this artillery wouldn't be nearly as effective without Pentagon providing Ukraine consistent, fresh and reliable intelligence from their satellite pictures and AWACS planes doing constant racetracks in the Black Sea.

Sort of - even without constant US data feed, HIMARS would be a game changer, you just wouldn't likely see as many dramatically hilarious soviet owns.

The fact HIMARS has incredible range and can shoot-and-scoot, and the core of Russia's strategy is artillery which renders it extremely vulnerable to HIMARS. Artillery is not very agile and requires a large supply of explosives, things that mobile system like HIMARS can capitalize on.
HIMARS moves into an area, and the HIMARS crew launches packs of cigarettes & matches into russian lines. After that its just a waiting game.

Ukraine has humint sources, counter battery detectors, and Russia hasn't been very good about camouflaging their shit. They'd still be having just as many "smoking accidents", but the US intel has allowed the HIMARS launchers to kept safe from Russian airstrikes and find especially juicy targets faster.

 

[The Grognard]

Sort of - even without constant US data feed, HIMARS would be a game changer, you just wouldn't likely see as many dramatically hilarious soviet owns.

The fact HIMARS has incredible range and can shoot-and-scoot, and the core of Russia's strategy is artillery which renders it extremely vulnerable to HIMARS. Artillery is not very agile and requires a large supply of explosives, things that mobile system like HIMARS can capitalize on.
HIMARS moves into an area, and the HIMARS crew launches packs of cigarettes & matches into russian lines. After that its just a waiting game.

Ukraine has humint sources, counter battery detectors, and Russia hasn't been very good about camouflaging their shit. They'd still be having just as many "smoking accidents", but the US intel has allowed the HIMARS launchers to kept safe from Russian airstrikes and find especially juicy targets faster.

Most of the stuff you're describing is just stuff both sides have. The thing that makes HIMARS a notable weapon is the guided munitions that allow it to be fired from more awkward positions and more precisely. While the Russians are claiming that they're developing their own guided rockets for the Smerch and Tornado systems they have that are of comparable nature in range and firepower, they're still playing catch-up. They also lack the speed they disseminate intel compared to Langley.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Ofcourse it is a game changer, they can strike ammo depots, concentrations of troops and infrastructure with no impunity

And yeah, this seems like a strike to avenge the HIMARS strike. Its quite odd tho that Russia has mostly been targeting civ infrastructure and all of a sudden strikes a military concentration of troops withing 24 hours of a humiliating strike on their own troops. Why havent they done this before? There is no confirmation of massive casualties at all, it could very well be a russian propaganda spin to flex their muscles. Both Ukraine and Russia lies alot, what is telling is that the Russians confirmed a large number of casualties and lot of people are calling for persecution of the people in charge.

We simply dont know, Ukraine claims one thing, Russia claims another. We know that there is immense anger against the commanders in charge of this garrison and the stupidity to place a ton of conscripts on a focused place atop of ammunition. Regardless, its reasonable to assume hundreds of casualties, dead or not.

Russia cant win militarily at this point, all their bets are on the west ceasing support for Ukraine or destroying the civilian infrastructure to reduce public support for the war. Based on the latest numbers, the west has supported Ukraine with ammo to last until March-april, meanwhile Russia is reducing their artillery strikes to conserve ammunition. Bakhmut still holds, Russians artillery advantage has decreased, Ukraine has better access to precise artillery, Russias artillery advantage has been mostly mitigated. Attacking a fortified position of determined defenders without any sort of air support or artillery advantage means only one thing, massive casualties.

What is the point if for every strike Ukraine manages, Russia responds with 10? It's a prolonger, not a game changer; without Western assistance this war would have ended long before the summer of 2022, and on better terms for Ukraine than they'll get now. Unfortunately for Ukrainians and Ukraine, its about reviving the US-USSR Cold War so Ukraine also won't be able to claim a military victory, because that was never the goal.

Russia has weapons manufacturing capabilities; NATO and the US almost none. Both are dependent on China so it was a really stupid move to alienate them and threaten sanctions. China now has access to the market in the largest country on earth, as well as favorable rates for fuel and raw materials. They also hold America's debt. It's just been one screw up after another by this administration.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

What is the point if for every strike Ukraine manages, Russia responds with 10? It's a prolonger, not a game changer; without Western assistance this war would have ended long before the summer of 2022, and on better terms for Ukraine than they'll get now. Unfortunately for Ukrainians and Ukraine, its about reviving the US-USSR Cold War so Ukraine also won't be able to claim a military victory, because that was never the goal.

Russia has weapons manufacturing capabilities; NATO and the US almost none. Both are dependent on China so it was a really stupid move to alienate them and threaten sanctions. China now has access to the market in the largest country on earth, as well as favorable rates for fuel and raw materials. They also hold America's debt. It's just been one screw up after another by this administration.

There aren't any screw-ups taking place, it's a highly successful, orchestrated controlled demolition of the world as we knew it.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

What is the point if for every strike Ukraine manages, Russia responds with 10?

Thanks to careful resource management, and wargaming from Western AI, Russia no longer enjoys the numerical advantage it once had.

 

[The Ghost of Kviv]

The Ukrainian embassy in D.C. held a New Years Eve party, with all the smooching and sleuthing one would expect. I'd have a good look at the branding at the bottom of the invite

Sourced from a Vox article a week ago: https://www.vox.com/world/2022/12/1...itary-contractors-money-ukraine-russia-war-us
Archived: https://archive.ph/VFBgw

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

The Ukrainian embassy in D.C. held a New Years Eve party, with all the smooching and sleuthing one would expect. I'd have a good look at the branding at the bottom of the invite

How dare a country, in need of weapons, try to get on the good graces of weapons manufacturers.

 

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lol just like Andrew Milburn said
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Khokhols at the main defense company of their country cucking the shit out of their armed forces by embezzling money and sending shit equipment to them, no wonder Zelenski has to beg around the world for money and weapons
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Just las month it was announced that this company was to develop weapons and equipment jointly with NATO defense companies

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Reminds me of the Kh-55 incident during the '90s. For those who don't know:

"In October 1999, a compromise was reached that saw Russia pay US$285 million for eight Tu-160 and three Tu-95MS bombers and 575 Kh-55 cruise missiles, while the rest were meant to be destroyed under U.S.-led Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction programme. However, in March 2005 Ukraine's prosecutor-general Sviatoslav Piskun said that in 2001, twelve Kh-55s had been exported to Iran in a deal said to be worth US$49.5 million, and an additional six Kh-55s were exported to China. In March 2015, Iran subsequently revealed the existence of the Soumar cruise missile."

As for the Iranian Soumar cruise missile:

"It is highly likely that the missile is derived from the Russian / Soviet Kh-55, several of which were illegally sold to Iran by Ukraine in 2001."

And now Ukrainians are being bombed with weapons supplied to Russia by Iran.

 

[The Punished Mitch]

How dare a country, in need of weapons, try to get on the good graces of weapons manufacturers.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

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Not posting the superior Kitty History smh

 

[Ghostse]

on better terms for Ukraine than they'll get now.

Exactly how high were you when you wrote this?
Russia went on a several month loot, murder and rape spree.

Even if the Eurocucks do their inevitable cuck-out tomorrow, Ukraine will be able to keep a large percentage of their washing machines.

Not posting the superior Kitty History smh

0/10
Conveniently leaves out Clinton's fuck-fuck games.

 

[siegemeister675]

What is the point if for every strike Ukraine manages, Russia responds with 10? It's a prolonger, not a game changer; without Western assistance this war would have ended long before the summer of 2022, and on better terms for Ukraine than they'll get now. Unfortunately for Ukrainians and Ukraine, its about reviving the US-USSR Cold War so Ukraine also won't be able to claim a military victory, because that was never the goal.

Russia has weapons manufacturing capabilities; NATO and the US almost none. Both are dependent on China so it was a really stupid move to alienate them and threaten sanctions. China now has access to the market in the largest country on earth, as well as favorable rates for fuel and raw materials. They also hold America's debt. It's just been one screw up after another by this administration.

Incredibly dumb post. None of the HIMARS or stingers or javelins that were sent to Ukraine were made in China, we make all of our own defense gear including high end chips, although we do also source from Taiwan (NOT mainland China) for those. You know nothing about the US military industrial sector.

 

[Ghostse]

Incredibly dumb post. None of the HIMARS or stingers or javelins that were sent to Ukraine were made in China, we make all of our own defense gear including high end chips, although we do also source from Taiwan for those. You know nothing about the US military industrial sector.

+1
All production for US domestic use is domestic. There is licensing to foreign manufacture for some systems/parts/etc, but that is for foreign clients. Sometimes to fill in a gap there is foreign backfill, but the contractor has to explain why this temporary what steps are being taken to ensure it never happens again.

The US has the capabilities to produce the chips we source from Taiwan, but not in quantities Taiwan can make them - but not for too much longer

"You know nothing" is a redundant statement when trying to dismantle the Vatniks. They only know two things: How much Vlad pays them per-post and the flavor of Putin's cock - they keep claiming its chocolate but I don't think they're being truthful about that either.

 

[Doinker Marmalade]

Not posting the superior Kitty History smh

You should be careful with that video... it got Trevor Moore killed and there's probably glowies here. Don't want you to end up in one of those furpiles.

 

[prolapsed_cranium]

No, that would be having Pentagon provide you with every possible kind of relevant military intelligence and allowing such systems to use the data-link networks that make them the weapon it is. The launcher itself isn't that special, just a wheeled MRLS with a removable rocket cassette as the launcher instead of a more traditional fixed system. The rockets having GPS guidance, that's the thing that makes it an effective tool. While Russia does have their own rocket artillery of comparable range, they still mostly rely on pure inertial guidance and use the more traditional system of fixed tubes. Of course, this artillery wouldn't be nearly as effective without Pentagon providing Ukraine consistent, fresh and reliable intelligence from their satellite pictures and AWACS planes doing constant racetracks in the Black Sea.

Yep. Anyone can look like a boss with the resource hack turned on.

How dare a country, in need of weapons, try to get on the good graces of weapons manufacturers.

Ain't like they're actually paying for shit.