Argue about women or something

[Dylan]

A serious question to leftoids.
Men were the ones who gave women(feminists) what they wanted and they have given them political leverages.
Have it ever occurred at least once in feminist history that a feminist was ever grateful to the man, who did as feminists demanded?

I know the answer, but you need to think about this.
They know no gratitude, just like a domestic cat who thinks it hunted its dry food because it didn't see its owner putting it there.

 

[redcent]

A serious question to leftoids.
Men were the ones who gave women(feminists) what they wanted and they have given them political leverages.
Have it ever occurred at least once in feminist history that a feminist was ever grateful to the man, who did as feminists demanded?

I know the answer, but you need to think about this.
They know no gratitude, just like a domestic cat who thinks it hunted its dry food because it didn't see its owner putting it there.

I don't know, do you feel grateful to your school bully after five years punching you in the face stopping for one day?

Did you bow down on your knees and gush gratitude like a broken wife?

Or do you think, "gee, me not getting punched in the face should be the norm, and the bully should not have to depend on asspats to behave decently?"

Or better yet, did you move on with your life and hope to never see the school bully again, and are too busy with life to give a flying fuck?

Gratitude, yes, towards me having a good life in general. On the other hand, see above. Because it's not about a cat demanding kibbles, it's about not adopting a cat when all you're going to do is kick it all day.

None of this has to do with trannies, or lefties. You can be a mildly conservative woman or centrist and still enjoy having rights.

 

[Fapcop]

I don't know, do you feel grateful to your school bully after five years punching you in the face stopping for one day?

Did you bow down on your knees and gush gratitude like a broken wife?

Or do you think, "gee, me not getting punched in the face should be the norm, and the bully should not have to depend on asspats to behave decently?"

Or better yet, did you move on with your life and hope to never see the school bully again, and are too busy with life to give a flying fuck?

Gratitude, yes, towards me having a good life in general. On the other hand, see above. Because it's not about a cat demanding kibbles, it's about not adopting a cat when all you're going to do is kick it all day.

None of this has to do with trannies, or lefties. You can be a mildly conservative woman or centrist and still enjoy having rights.

Lmao! Nobody “bullied” women.

There was just a consensus that women probably shouldn’t have the power that comes with the vote because they’d abuse it.

And they weren’t entirely wrong.

Expanding the franchise to women was followed by the creation of the nanny state, massive gibs and in the last half of the 20th century opening borders because it’s the “nice” thing to do.

 

[glass_houses]

Lmao! Nobody “bullied” women.

There was just a consensus that women probably shouldn’t have the power that comes with the vote because they’d abuse it.

And they weren’t entirely wrong.

Expanding the franchise to women was followed by the creation of the nanny state, massive gibs and in the last half of the 20th century opening borders because it’s the “nice” thing to do.

Will you just piss off? There are multiple other threads for incels who think women have ruined society, could you go shit up one of them? Every fucking thread on troons keeps getting hijacked by this whiny beta male bullshit, over and over again.

 

[Fapcop]

Will you just piss off? There are multiple other threads for incels who think women have ruined society, could you go shit up one of them? Every fucking thread on troons keeps getting hijacked by this whiny beta male bullshit, over and over again.

Ah, le Incel insult… Also known as: Tell me you list the argument without admitting you lost the argument.

Word of advice: I don’t particularly care what some rando broad calls me online, but a lot of folks might think it’s repetitive and kinda sad when you call everyone who disagrees with you “an incel”.

Why don’t you piss off back to Reddit?

Oh wait, that’s right… The troons you invited and handmaidened for ran you off that site!

 

[Gramlol]

Ah, le Incel insult… Also known as: Tell me you list the argument without admitting you lost the argument.

Word of advice: I don’t particularly care what some rando broad calls me online, but a lot of folks might think it’s repetitive and kinda sad when you call everyone who disagrees with you “an incel”.

Why don’t you piss off back to Reddit?

Oh wait, that’s right… The troons you invited and handmaidened for ran you off that site!

When did you hit peak trans?

 

[Fapcop]

When did you hit peak trans?

When I realized all these “women” coming out were somehow lesbian.

 

[Ser Prize]

Will you just piss off? There are multiple other threads for incels who think women have ruined society, could you go shit up one of them? Every fucking thread on troons keeps getting hijacked by this whiny beta male bullshit, over and over again.

"Let us complain about this problem but don't you fucking dare bring up the stuff that brought us here!"

 

[Rainbow Child]

When I realized all these “women” coming out were somehow lesbian.

This is it, exactly. It's a mathematical impossibility.

You take the percentage of the population who is homosexual.
You take the percentage of the population who is transsexual.
You multiply those two numbers together.
And that ought to be the number of homosexual transsexuals.
But it's not. They're all transbians and gaydens now.

I blame "gay marriage".

Spoiler: Medico-Historical Sperging Here

Transsexuals have been a thing since the Weimar Republic (e.g. Magnus Hirschfeld). The books that the Nazis were burning were the tranny books. Then came along Harry Benjamin. For an hundred years, trannies were quietly transitioning into the opposite sex. They were afforded all the rights and privileges of the opposite sex, because this was a medical issue, not a "queering" issue. They could even marry.

That whole time, there were always two groups of trannies. Those whose mental illness stemmed from their homosexuality, and those whose mental illness stemmed from their transvestism. In both cases, they were willing to adopt the other deviant behaviour in order to approximate a normal life.

Then homosexuality was normalised and "gay marriage" became a thing. Suddenly, the homosexual-origin would-be-trannies stopped presenting for treatment. They could just be "gay". At the same time, crossdressing-origin trannies were still presenting, plus they didn't have to adopt the other deviant behaviour in order to approximate a normal life. Because normal life had been "queered".

Before "gay marriage", fetishistic transvestites were gatekept out of the social transition, because they were unwilling to pay the very steep price of "doing gay shit" in order to act out their crossdressing impulses in public. Instead, they stayed in their wives' closets, and the world was at peace.

After "gay marriage", fetishistic transvestites were not even allowed to be gatekept out because that would be "discrimination on the basis of sexual [dis]orientation" and they all began to come out of the closet to become the UwU lesbians of their perverted dreams. Heck, doctors didn't even know that auto-andro-philia was a thing until after "gay marriage" became a thing and all the gaydens started presenting to fulfil their UwU softboy perverted dreams.

 

[Fapcop]

This is it, exactly. It's a mathematical impossibility.

You take the percentage of the population who is homosexual.
You take the percentage of the population who is transsexual.
You multiply those two numbers together.
And that ought to be the number of homosexual transsexuals.
But it's not. They're all transbians and gaydens now.

I blame "gay marriage".

Obligatory: That’s exactly what conservatives warned about!

And you’re of course right.

Gay marriage created a whole “activist” industry of PR faggots, gay men and rainbow haired future cat ladies.

Once gay marriage was a thing, what would you expect them to do? Call it a day and get actual jobs? GOF FORBID!

So a whole “gay civil rights” industry was looking for work, when the trannies came along and fit the bill nicely.

 

[Bunny Tracks]

Will you just piss off? There are multiple other threads for incels who think women have ruined society, could you go shit up one of them? Every fucking thread on troons keeps getting hijacked by this whiny beta male bullshit, over and over again.

It's because just like how there's women that blame men for all life's problems, there's men that blame women for all life's problems.

It's literally two sides of the same retarded coin.

 

[glass_houses]

It's because just like how there's women that blame men for all life's problems, there's men that blame women for all life's problems.

It's literally two sides of the same retarded coin.

Extremism is the enemy of rational discussion and philosophy. Men and women have an equal capacity for being idiots or cunts, regardless of what they've got between their legs.

 

[redcent]

Lmao! Nobody “bullied” women.

Life without the rights to earn your own living or own your own property is a shit life. Life where you have to depend on being married and fucking some guy you have learned over time is a dick is a crap life. Arranged marriages are usually even crappier. This is the crap life you want for women why should anyone take it lying down just because your lame government is shit?

There was just a consensus that women probably shouldn’t have the power that comes with the vote because they’d abuse it.

Funny, in my country we have decent politics with everyone allowed to vote without this leftist-rightist insanity

Since the usa is the one with all the tranny rampant bullshit, I vouch americans be the ones who shouldn't be allowed to vote

See how you feel living under a dictatorship of someone you don't agree with and treats you like shit

Expanding the franchise to women was followed by the creation of the nanny state, massive gibs and in the last half of the 20th century opening borders because it’s the “nice” thing to do.

Fuck your retard ass country I don't give a shit about your "states" or what your borders do because you're a shit hole country and I hope it goes to hell so you can all shut the fuck up and get over yourselves and your stupid politics polluting the internet.

 

[Vect]

Gay marriage created a whole “activist” industry of PR faggots, gay men and rainbow haired future cat ladies.

Once gay marriage was a thing, what would you expect them to do? Call it a day and get actual jobs? GOF FORBID!

So a whole “gay civil rights” industry was looking for work, when the trannies came along and fit the bill nicely.

It's true that pro-equality activists got (and still get) hyperbolic and overly self-rightous at times. I was never easy with how readily people dismissed then Senator Rick Santorum's argument of a slippery slope, because it felt completely logical, and nobody addressed any gatekeeping that was to be done in the wake of this change in policy. However, I would make a distinction between the specific push for marriage equality and gay rights and the concurrent rise of activist progressive media.

During the latter years of the Obama presidency, there was definitely an infamous upsurge in radical feminism, borderline black supremacy and heteronormative dismissal, and half of it was from Buzzfeed. Everyone hated it. I remember half the Youtube channels I watched being nothing short of critical of these ideas, and the proponents of these ideas were relentlessly mocked by everybody to popular demand. These felt like the golden years, where people from all spectrums of American society could come together to soundly reject absurdity such as "Digital Blackface" (remember Ethan Klein?), "My pronouns are not your preference", "All white men are racist, all cis men are transphobic", "Your dating preferences are racist", "10 things that white people could do better", "The Pink Tax (remember Shoe0nHead?), "Women manspreading", "Hugh Mungus", and all of it. Radical feminists where relentlessly mocked for their paranoia and daft ideas. Pronoun entitlement was just dismissed as silly. The bathroom debate seemed self-evident. And yes, gays, African-Americans and Latinos were used by business and politicians to prop up the illusion of a cohesive, socially liberal big-tent America, as they had been for the last two decades.

As for trannies? Well, let me give you the perspective of exactly how much Democratic and LGB support they got from none other than Liz Fong-Jones.

"Rep. Barney Frank, who is both an out gay man and a transphobe, claimed that it would be impossible for a trans-inclusive ENDA to pass, and has moved to separate the bill into two separate bills – one in which sexual orientation would be protected, and the other in which gender identity would be protected (with the latter being infinitely stalled and never being brought for a vote).

Rep. Frank has made numerous statements demonstrating his ignorance and contempt such as “There are workplace situations – communal showers, for example – when the demands of the transgender community fly in the face of conventional norms and therefore would not pass in any Congress. I’ve talked with transgender activists and what they want – and what we will be forced to defend – is for people with penises who identify as women to be able to shower with other women.” and his concern about “[...] schoolteachers, and what happens when the kid comes back from summer vacation and teachers change gender. We just lost enough Democrats and we couldn’t be sure of the Republicans.

Rabid transphobic voices in the gay community are whitewashing the history of Stonewall and claiming that transgender people do not deserve protection because we have not fought as hard as they have for rights. If a non-trans-inclusive ENDA passes, will gay rights organizations stand behind transpeople to continue the fight for equal employment for transgender Americans, or will they proceed to divert the entirety of their resources into issues such as marriage, etc. and ignore transpeople?

Recent order of magnitude estimates have it that about 1% of Americans are transgender, and that approximately 10% of Americans are lesbian, gay, or bisexual. Gender identity affects many more people than the ancient, grossly incorrect “1 in 30,000” figure sometimes reported in the media. And transgender Americans and bisexual and gay Americans have thus far stood side by side in crusading for equal rights. I feel extremely betrayed by those in positions of power, supposed allies, who have cast aside one group in favor of another for the sake of political expediency."

Then Trump became president. And it seems that mainstream media and the Left's confident sense of what was right and wrong was utterly destroyed.

 

[Ser Prize]

If women can't accept that feminism is what lead to the rabid state of all this then I don't think they'll get far. It's like saying "Okay cure stage 4 of my cancer but can we just go back to stage 3? I felt comfortable there!"

 

[Bloody Kotex]

Men don't cede power to women without weighing the pros and cons. Do people really think those in power did it because they want sum pussy?

 

[The Ugly One]

I don't know, do you feel grateful to your school bully after five years punching you in the face stopping for one day?

Did you bow down on your knees and gush gratitude like a broken wife?

Or do you think, "gee, me not getting punched in the face should be the norm, and the bully should not have to depend on asspats to behave decently?"

Or better yet, did you move on with your life and hope to never see the school bully again, and are too busy with life to give a flying fuck?

Gratitude, yes, towards me having a good life in general. On the other hand, see above. Because it's not about a cat demanding kibbles, it's about not adopting a cat when all you're going to do is kick it all day.

None of this has to do with trannies, or lefties. You can be a mildly conservative woman or centrist and still enjoy having rights.

Have you ever been punched in the face by a guy, or is this a complete abstraction for you?

Because it just seems weird that you would compare not having power in a system you didn't sacrifice to create to being punched in the face.

It's the sort of thing you'd expect someone to say who's got no fucking idea what violence actually is.

 

[redcent]

Have you ever been punched in the face by a guy, or is this a complete abstraction for you?

Because it just seems weird that you would compare not having power in a system you didn't sacrifice to create to being punched in the face.

It's the sort of thing you'd expect someone to say who's got no fucking idea what violence actually is.

It was meant to be an argument but now that you mention it, I have been punched and kicked, although less by a guy and more so by high school twits

But if you don't think it counts and I appear to lack experience of violence and how I shouldn't compare that to a lack of control, do inform me by all means, there's probably someone who's put through The wringer who knows more so than me. But if you think this will make said lack of control (including by an individual as much as a "system") any less unappealing I doubt you'd get far.

If women can't accept that feminism is what lead to the rabid state of all this then I don't think they'll get far. It's like saying "Okay cure stage 4 of my cancer but can we just go back to stage 3? I felt comfortable there!"

I'm not going to accept it because to reject it, whether it is the cause of it or not, means life without freedom.

Go sacrifice your own freedom first before looking to end someobe else's

Find some other way to deal with your first world woes. Go ban anime porn or something. Fucking degenerate stuff on the internet no wonder you get trannies.

 

[Wormy]

Because it just seems weird that you would compare not having power in a system you weren't even given an option to sacrifice to create to being punched in the face.

Fix'd that for you.

And to answer, yes, I have been punched in the face by a guy. Also been kicked, stabbed, hit with a crowbar a couple of times too.

Expanding the franchise to women was followed by the creation of the nanny state, massive gibs and in the last half of the 20th century opening borders because it’s the “nice” thing to do.

Wellp, if you got a fuzzy notion to remove that franchise from them, are you ready to exempt them from all sorts of hassles as well? Taxes would be a good start. Why should they pay into a system in which they have no power and no agency?

 

[The Ugly One]

It was meant to be an argument but now that you mention it, I have been punched and kicked, although less by a guy and more so by high school twits

But if you don't think it counts and I appear to lack experience of violence and how I shouldn't compare that to a lack of control, do inform me by all means, there's probably someone who's put through The wringer who knows more so than me. But if you think this will make said lack of control (including by an individual as much as a "system") any less unappealing I doubt you'd get far.

No, a high school slapfight with other girls doesn't count.

Look, nobody's going to repeal the 19th Amendment. Voting is and will remain something everyone's entitled to if you've got a pulse and survived 18 years. I'm sure we'll drop the voting age to 15 soon enough. But, you know, every so often, I'm reminded that women seem to believe a republic just fell out of the sky and landed on James Madison's lap, probably because he shoved Betsy Ross out of the way before she could catch it first. The republic you feel entitled to participate in was forged in war, and it wasn't a war women could have fought and won even if they'd wanted to. Women only have rights because they're handed them by men, and the men who are able to hand them to you only have that ability because they shot, stabbed, and tore to pieces other men who wanted to be their masters.

I've seen enough memorials, battlefields and war cemeteries with women in tow to understand it's pointless to expect your kind to ever show the least bit of gratitude for the freedoms you enjoy due to sacrifices you are unable to make. I guess that's the nature of our species. Women have things because men secure them, and then they think those things just fall out of the sky. Gratitude must pose some kind of evolutionary disadvantage.

Go sacrifice your own freedom first before looking to end someobe else's

Or what? What will women do? There is a fairly substantial list of European countries where one group of men gave women the vote some time between 1900 and 1920, and then German men marched in and took it away. In fact, German women themselves were given suffrage in 1920 by German men, before Hitler and his gang of jackasses took it away in 1934. And they didn't get the vote back until predominantly American and English landed at Normandy and put a pile of Germans in graves. If the men you rely on to secure your freedom fail, you're going to lose it.