Trainwreck The Empathic Nutritionist / Empathic Mamahood / Robyn Grogitsky-Ramirez / Luna Elva Ramirez / Glenn Ramirez / Atlas Glenn Standford Ramirez - Eyefucking Sociopath Selfie Addict Mother and Closeted Gymrat Pothead Father who use Instagram to Parade their Homemade Homunculus Tard Baby Created by their Refusal to Follow any Medical Oversights

Will Robyn actually go back to see the neurosurgeon in California?

  • Yes

    Votes: 26 12.2%
  • No

    Votes: 107 50.2%
  • Luna will die before the planned trip date

    Votes: 80 37.6%

  • Total voters
    213
  • Poll closed .
Ironic that narcissists need/want love from their kids, but lack the capacity to feel or give it themselves.

I'm sure Robyn thinks she loves her kids, but it's not the way a non-narcissist does. She loves them as objects that exist to get her narcissistic supply, if they can't/won't do that they could drop dead for all the narc cares. Narcissists do not have the capacity to feel love like healthy people do.

There's a reason she blatantly prefers the spud to the actual sentient kid.
 
Ironic that narcissists need/want love from their kids, but lack the capacity to feel or give it themselves.

I'm sure Robyn thinks she loves her kids, but it's not the way a non-narcissist does. She loves them as objects that exist to get her narcissistic supply, if they can't/won't do that they could drop dead for all the narc cares. Narcissists do not have the capacity to feel love like healthy people do.

There's a reason she blatantly prefers the spud to the actual sentient kid.
It would be interesting to see how Robyn would treat another daughter if baby #3 is a girl. Narcissistic mothers tend to be envious of her daughters. Considering Robyn seems to have some pretty deep-seated insecurities, if the baby blossoms into a cute and independent toddler like Atlas, Robyn may not like it and choose Luna over both kids. Luna is perfect for Robyn--although innocent, she's pretty terrifying to look at and has no will of her own. She'll never be pretty, will never attract any boys or men, hence will never be a threat to Robyn's fragile ego.
 
It would be interesting to see how Robyn would treat another daughter if baby #3 is a girl. Narcissistic mothers tend to be envious of her daughters. Considering Robyn seems to have some pretty deep-seated insecurities, if the baby blossoms into a cute and independent toddler like Atlas, Robyn may not like it and choose Luna over both kids. Luna is perfect for Robyn--although innocent, she's pretty terrifying to look at and has no will of her own. She'll never be pretty, will never attract any boys or men, hence will never be a threat to Robyn's fragile ego.
Unless she creates another spud or dead baby, Luna is 1000% going to be Robyn's favorite child and even if she gets another girl, she'll resent the existence of the kid as soon as it's done with fake breastfeeding tiddie selfies (or shows any other sign of independent thought).

Narcissists don't want kids as they actually are, they want dolls or tiny, perfectly obedient clones of themselves.
 
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It's just so profoundly sad that this little girl, who would be so adorable and the joy of her parents' heart has to live and die without getting to experience a moment of her genetic destiny and whoever she was supposed to be. Robyn doesn't even get the peace of lamentation because of narcissistic tendencies. There can be tremendous peace in suffering.

It offends me that she would say such horrible things like, "These are the best days yet." I have cried and quit reading for pages and pages. I don't think my reaction is uncommon, and I would guess a dozen people have done the same thing. These are terrible, hard days. These are days that change you forever and determine how you're remembered when Atlas visits your grave. This impacts how Atlas sees you and how to treat others that we have a responsibility to care for.

Robyn doesn't understand why so many people are angry with her. Her numb indifference disguised as giddy enthusiasm is infuriating. Your mistake cost you everything and it doesn't even make you weep? She's a poor little girl, Robyn.

This is the most benign series of posts from Robyn in awhile, and I don't exactly know why, but it hurts my feelings.
 
People make mistakes-even horrible mistakes, but learn to live with it. After many tears and much suffering, they think, well, my horrible ignorance did this to my daughter and I can’t fix it, so all I can do is keep her clean and dry and fed and comfortable and love her, and vow not to make a grievous error like this again. If one is a very good person they might share with others their errors. If they can prevent the same pain in others, shouldn’t that be desired?

But she hasn’t done any of that. Her entire whine with that Shaman or Guru or whatever was how to get over people not liking her, ignoring the “mean people” (us), not get peace with what she directly caused to her daughter.

She’s like a drunk driver who paralyzed somebody but keeps drinking and driving. Or a parent who left their kid in a hot car to die, than has another child and leaves them in a car again, just to pick up something quickly at the store. Lessons unlearned.

It’s ok to appreciate the good days, even when living within a tragedy of your own making. Humans are simply not capable of 24 hour mental suffering: those that do end up killing themselves.

What’s not ok is not understanding there even is a tragedy. I think Robyn has convinced herself this was unavoidable and Luna is better off than we see. She has no guilt and is merely sad that her daughter is disabled, but proud of herself that Luna’s lived longer than expected.

But those seizures are not smiles, she’s not an early or late riser, she likely has no real sleep/wake cycles and yes, it’s lovely that your two year old son wants to help you take the garbage out, but not right after you let him chop ginger with a chefs knife alone. These are, in fact, the most dangerous days of her kids lives but that seems to be unimportant. Trying not to be overprotective is ok, ignoring dangers after experienced such fragility is unacceptable.

These could be the best days of her life, if she ever realized she’d had the bad days, the terrible days of guilt and pain. Her good days should always be tinged with sadness and guilt but one can understand the need for acceptance. With facing the truth comes the understanding that the world is tragic and you are part of that continuum, you made a terrible human mistake that cost somebody everything. Now you go on and pay daily by caring for the child you ruined. You have to get where you understand beauty again. But a person has to pull out of their defenses and really feel.

Robyn can’t do that. She’s about blame and denial. When she looks for spiritual help, her pain is trivial. She cannot face the real pain. It’s almost like her daughters tragedy has become her reality, in that she can’t grow or feel or see.

Sigh, maybe that makes no sense, sorry. Im definitely not on Robyn’s side, just feeling for anybody else who did something tragic and learned from it.
 
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I don't think a narcissist like Robyn has the capacity to acknowledge they made a mistake, let alone one that did something horrible like fatally injure their first kid. They straight up can't feel shit like guilt or remorse, so I highly doubt that level of acknowledgement would ever be possible for her.
 
I'm wondering if she's been pregnant for awhile and is fudging her due date for some reason.
I scrolled back and can't find it for the life of me, but didn't some kiwi notice she was wearing maternity shorts some time around Thanksgiving? And a maternity blouse shortly afterward?

And then there's this from Nov 30.

Anyways, wasn't Robyn claiming that her third child will be a re-incarnation of Luna? How does she square that with the fact that she's already pregnant and Luna's still alive?

Or did she time this third pregnancy after some really bad news and is hoping that Luna will kick it immediately before new baby is born to fuel this narrative? What will she do if Luna stays alive well after the baby is born??
 
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Anyways, wasn't Robyn claiming that her third child will be a re-incarnation of Luna? How does she square that with the fact that she's already pregnant and Luna's still alive?

I think that was just us Kiwis pondering what she'd say if Luna carked it before she got pregnant again. She's always claimed to have recieved psychic visions that she'll have three kids.
 
this is not showing pregnant belly.. this is lazy FAT layer over fatass from mostly sitting all day on her phone and lack of exercise after both pregnancies.
mommy belly in other words. great possibility she has never done any proper physio or got checked for diastasis. her garage man should better train her , because she will be even biggerassedbellied after third hopefully not spud.
 

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Anyways, wasn't Robyn claiming that her third child will be a re-incarnation of Luna? How does she square that with the fact that she's already pregnant and Luna's still alive?
No, she doesn't think Luna is going to die. She thinks that Luna is thriving and her brain is healing and she's going to grow up to be an inspiring big-headed woo princess influencer. In her mind the only time Luna was in danger of dying was when those EVIL ALLOPATHIC DOCTORS were trying to guide Robyn into letting Luna go in hospice and not placing a feeding tube and when those EVIL ALLOPATHIC DOCTORS wouldn't listen to Robyn's superior knowledge and place a shunt. It's likely this fantasy was knocked on its ass during the last doctor visit, but we honestly don't know for sure what she was told and Robyn herself is still pretending that Luna is smiling and walking.
 
LOL at the laptop in front of Luna, as though she can engage with it in any way.

I'd kill to see Luna's IEP. I hope the school has made a case to provide the bare minimum of services because there is absolutely no way Luna can benefit from any of it. I get that they're legally obligated to provide something, but jesus there is literally nothing they can provide other than a temporary respite for Globyn. And they don't need the school system to provide that.

Did some googling of what IEPs for profoundly intellectually disabled students of Luna's caliber look like. It seems like her IEP might consist of basic motor or sensory actions like "hold object", "release object," "respond to light", etc. So it would basically look like her PT goals, which we already know she cannot achieve. I wonder if Robyn has lied about Luna's cortical blindness, leading the teachers to believe that things like "track object with eyes" or "use gaze to indicate yes/no" are potential goals. I predict a future melt-down where the school catches on that Luna can neither process nor respond to any stimuli, they try to reduce the goals, and Robyn tries to claim that they are violating Luna's right to a free and public education. The juicy part of that would be, if Robyn actually tried to fight them, I imagine she would have to consent to an evaluation, which we know she will not do. That's when we'll see her pull Luna out of school entirely and "homeschool."

Or maybe Luna will just fucking die before that can happen, inshallah.
 
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