Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Thomas Eugene Paris]

And fuck the life of the mother I guess, since the Ohio woman was at risk from continuing the pregnancy.

It's not like the US has worse maternal mortality than Russia or anything (that's only been getting worse over the past decade).

Also oof, the description of the condition the fetus in the SC case had
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Prolifers trying to force more Tinslees into an existence of suffering

Hypoplastic left heart syndrome is uniformly fatal unless palliated by a series of 3 open heart surgeries. The first is called the Norwood procedure and is performed within the first 2 weeks of life. The second, the Glenn (also known as the bidirectional Glenn or bidirectional Glenn shunt), is generally done between 4 and 6 months of age. Finally, at approximately 18 months of age, the infant receives a surgery called the Fontan, which attaches the vena cava to the pulmonary arteries, thus allowing deoxygenated blood to bypass the single ventricle of the heart.

Even after these 3 very major surgeries, the child's heart is not normal. There are patients who survive into adulthood with a single ventricle heart, but within recent memory, HLHS was fatal within hours to days of birth.

Texas Children's Hospital has the best program of its kind in the nation and probably the world. Their program and others, including those at Boston Children's Hospital and the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, have pioneered the treatment of kids with single ventricle hearts. Incredibly, in some cases where an abnormality is caught early in gestation and it is felt that with proper intervention there is still the possibility of near-normal left ventricle development, heart surgery can be performed on a fetus in utero (without delivering it). That's mindblowing to me. Almost makes me believe in a higher power. Here's the Boston Children's/Brigham and Women's fetal heart surgery program and here's the CHOP general fetal surgery program. Really takes your breath away to think about. I do want to clarify that not all fetuses with developing HLHS are candidates for surgery. It's not a magic pro-life slam dunk. It is fucking amazing, though, and renews my faith in humanity.

I'd like to write more about this, but...Chantal. I'll be back later.

 

[Chandelier]

Hypoplastic left heart syndrome is uniformly fatal unless palliated by a series of 3 open heart surgeries. The first is called the Norwood procedure and is performed within the first 2 weeks of life. The second, the Glenn (also known as the bidirectional Glenn or bidirectional Glenn shunt), is generally done between 4 and 6 months of age. Finally, at approximately 18 months of age, the infant receives a surgery called the Fontan, which attaches the vena cava to the pulmonary arteries, thus allowing deoxygenated blood to bypass the single ventricle of the heart.

Even after these 3 very major surgeries, the child's heart is not normal. There are patients who survive into adulthood with a single ventricle heart, but within recent memory, HLHS was fatal within hours to days of birth.

Texas Children's Hospital has the best program of its kind in the nation and probably the world. Their program and others, including those at Boston Children's Hospital and the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, have pioneered the treatment of kids with single ventricle hearts. Incredibly, in some cases where an abnormality is caught early in gestation and it is felt that with proper intervention there is still the possibility of near-normal left ventricle development, heart surgery can be performed on a fetus in utero (without delivering it). That's mindblowing to me. Almost makes me believe in a higher power. Here's the Boston Children's/Brigham and Women's fetal heart surgery program and here's the CHOP general fetal surgery program. Really takes your breath away to think about. I do want to clarify that not all fetuses with developing HLHS are candidates for surgery. It's not a magic pro-life slam dunk. It is fucking amazing, though, and renews my faith in humanity.

I'd like to write more about this, but...Chantal. I'll be back later.

I can't imagine the hospital bill. And the sad thing is, the doctors at the hospital counselling these grieving parents were helpless thanks to the laws there.

A shame the kid couldn't make it. It was a wanted baby, too - many of these late term abortions are.

 

[Android raptor]

Someone recently described life as allotting each person or group of persons "weirdness points." You can only be so weird before people start even saying no to your GOOD IDEAS just because you said them.

Maybe pro-choicers shouldn't have squandered their social credibility bragging publicly about their abortions of convenience. Doing that actually hurts the women they profess to care about.

If someone would rather abort than have a kid, what kind of care do you think they'll give for the kid?

I think it's moreso certain people want to use forced pregnancy to punish women (and female children) for perceived moral transgressions.

Married women with wanted pregnancies who got a lethal fetal diagnosis I guess get punished for having the audacity to not gestate a perfectly healthy Jesus arrow.

Hypoplastic left heart syndrome is uniformly fatal unless palliated by a series of 3 open heart surgeries. The first is called the Norwood procedure and is performed within the first 2 weeks of life. The second, the Glenn (also known as the bidirectional Glenn or bidirectional Glenn shunt), is generally done between 4 and 6 months of age. Finally, at approximately 18 months of age, the infant receives a surgery called the Fontan, which attaches the vena cava to the pulmonary arteries, thus allowing deoxygenated blood to bypass the single ventricle of the heart.

Even after these 3 very major surgeries, the child's heart is not normal. There are patients who survive into adulthood with a single ventricle heart, but within recent memory, HLHS was fatal within hours to days of birth.

Texas Children's Hospital has the best program of its kind in the nation and probably the world. Their program and others, including those at Boston Children's Hospital and the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, have pioneered the treatment of kids with single ventricle hearts. Incredibly, in some cases where an abnormality is caught early in gestation and it is felt that with proper intervention there is still the possibility of near-normal left ventricle development, heart surgery can be performed on a fetus in utero (without delivering it). That's mindblowing to me. Almost makes me believe in a higher power. Here's the Boston Children's/Brigham and Women's fetal heart surgery program and here's the CHOP general fetal surgery program. Really takes your breath away to think about. I do want to clarify that not all fetuses with developing HLHS are candidates for surgery. It's not a magic pro-life slam dunk. It is fucking amazing, though, and renews my faith in humanity.

I'd like to write more about this, but...Chantal. I'll be back later.

Isn't fetal surgery also risky, and not accessible to most people? I remember Santorim's wife getting it and complications from it ultimately forcing them to induce labor before viability (more or less abortion) to save her life.

It sounds like an amazing option when it's available, but unfortunately given the state of the American Healthcare system I can't imagine it even being an option for most people.

 

[LonesomeDud]

If someone would rather abort than have a kid, what kind of care do you think they'll give for the kid?

I think it's moreso certain people want to use forced pregnancy to punish women (and female children) force perceived moral transgressions.

Married women with wanted pregnancies who got a lethal fetal diagnosis I guess get punished for having the audacity to not gestate a perfectly healthy Jesus arrow.

Not the issue at hand, though I'd argue it's a slippery slope to forced sterilization.

No one is obligated to keep someone alive at the expense of themselves, but it's terrible to expect people to say all morality is relative and getting an abortion makes you "brave." I don't think having an abortion makes a person good or bad, but that's a different conversation.

My point is when pro-choicers engage in this #abortionpride crap is it closes the door for a conversation about discussing probable patient outcomes and what withdrawal of care means for the patient and family, which can mean an induced miscarriage. It is a nuanced conversation. It is a tough conversation. It is a conversation that changes everyone in the room, and it's one I've been a part of.

Every human being has a purpose and every life has a meaning. That doesn't mean the best course of action is to always enable a life to continue, but determining that shouldn't be a throwaway decision. The best choice usually isn't to run away. It isn't death. It isn't limiting. The best choice is usually to grow and change and expand. That's why I identify as pro-life, because I love the world. I love people, and I believe all people are a reflection of God, and that's something worth growing and nurturing. There are times to cut and burn, and they are rare. I'll spare you the spiritual jibber jabber out of respect.

When I say the pro-choice movement has spent its social credit, I mean the people who think getting four abortions in seven years is a bragging right is really dragging down the movement and frankly giving nutjobs who bomb clinics ammunition.

 

[Rainbow Child]

This thread is ableist.

I don't mean the making fun of tards and their parents. If you can take on the enormously burdensome obligation of raising a tarded child, you can take a joke. And if you're a tarded child, you don't even know some jokers on the Internet are making fun of you.

I mean the common assertion that disabled people should be put to sleep.

Fucking Bond villians. They are why men are bigger than women. Because if these narcs were bigger than men, they would treat them the same way they treat these poor defenseless little tards (and we know this, because in those animals where the female is bigger the male, she eats him after he busts a nut in her).

/m'ladies

 

[everybody in Portugal]

social credit, I mean the people who think getting four abortions in seven years is a bragging right

I mean the common assertion that disabled people should be put to sleep.

Point me in the direction of any of these two sets of people, because I'm fairly convinced there are none ITT. This all sounds like two men with two soapboxes to me, not discussion of potato baby parents and their antics.

 

[Rainbow Child]

Point me in the direction of any of these two sets of people, because I'm fairly convinced there are none ITT. This all sounds like two men with two soapboxes to me, not discussion of potato baby parents and their antics.

I just went through this thread, bro. No need to go through it again and collate an entire set for you, getting all off topic just because you can't remember what's written all over the place. A fucking , , , or would have sufficed.

 

[everybody in Portugal]

I just went through this thread, bro. No need to go through it again and colate an entire set for you, getting all off topic just because you can't remember what's written all over the place. A fucking , , , or would have sufficed.

Lurk moar, faget.

If you can't provide proof of your politisperg claims then at least have the maturity to not get salty that you were asked to do so and just like, fade off into the background until you've managed to correctly judge the tone of this board and thread. As it is you're derailing and contributing nothing of value, and I'm having to further derail to tell you what an asshat you are. Ffs man, we could be discussing Paisley or something rn but no.

e: detail derail

 

[GenociderSyo]

I mean the common assertion that disabled people should be put to sleep.

Some may have this attitude, but many of us work with these populations in some way and do not think this way. They also tend to get threadbanned i beleive because the ones most likely to make those comments just disappear and never post again ususally.

 

[Rainbow Child]

Lurk moar, faget.

If you can't provide proof of your politisperg claims then at least have the maturity to not get salty that you were asked to do so and just like, fade off into the background until you've managed to correctly judge the tone of this board and thread. As it is you're derailing and contributing nothing of value, and I'm having to further derail to tell you what an asshat you are. Ffs man, we could be discussing Paisley or something rn but no.

e: detail derail

If someone would rather abort than have a kid, what kind of care do you think they'll give for the kid?

I think it's moreso certain people want to use forced pregnancy to punish women (and female children) for perceived moral transgressions.

Married women with wanted pregnancies who got a lethal fetal diagnosis I guess get punished for having the audacity to not gestate a perfectly healthy Jesus arrow.

Isn't fetal surgery also risky, and not accessible to most people? I remember Santorim's wife getting it and complications from it ultimately forcing them to induce labor before viability (more or less abortion) to save her life.

It sounds like an amazing option when it's available, but unfortunately given the state of the American Healthcare system I can't imagine it even being an option for most people.

This quotation is from this very page, you raging narc. An this reply is all the attention you get from me on this issue. Take your own advice and just drop a sticker next time rather than derailing the thread just to countersignal an observation that gives you narc injury.

 

[Android raptor]

Some may have this attitude, but many of us work with these populations in some way and do not think this way. They also tend to get threadbanned i beleive because the ones most likely to make those comments just disappear and never post again ususally.

Hell, some of us are disabled ourselves.

Not sure how someone that's supposedly read this entire thread missed all my powerleveling about being a literal autistic sped (and how godawful most sped teachers are).

This quotation is from this very page, you raging narc. An this reply is all the attention you get from me on this issue. Take your own advice and just drop a sticker next time rather than derailing the thread just to countersignal an observation that gives you narc injury.

There's a big difference between being disabled and having a lethal anomaly that will likely result in death by early childhood at the latest. There's also a big difference between a child being brought into a family where it's wanted and will be properly cared for, and one being born into a situation it isn't wanted and will just be resented and mistreated. I will always be pro-embryo yeeting if the alternative is guaranteed child abuse or suffering.

Are you one of those exceptional individuals that would call an anencephaly zombaby "disabled"?

 

[GainsGoblin]

Every human being has a purpose and every life has a meaning. That doesn't mean the best course of action is to always enable a life to continue, but determining that shouldn't be a throwaway decision. The best choice usually isn't to run away. It isn't death. It isn't limiting. The best choice is usually to grow and change and expand. That's why I identify as pro-life, because I love the world. I love people, and I believe all people are a reflection of God, and that's something worth growing and nurturing. There are times to cut and burn, and they are rare. I'll spare you the spiritual jibber jabber out of respect.

When I say the pro-choice movement has spent its social credit, I mean the people who think getting four abortions in seven years is a bragging right is really dragging down the movement and frankly giving nutjobs who bomb clinics ammunition.

The face of god, ladies and gentlemen:

 

[everybody in Portugal]

This quotation is from this very page, you raging narc

Not sure how someone that's supposedly read this entire thread missed all my powerleveling about being a literal autistic sped (and how godawful most sped teachers are).

Tell me again how you read the whole thread. Pointing to Android Raptor in particular as an example of ableism ITT is chef kiss seriously exceptional.

 

[Rainbow Child]

Hell, some of us are disabled ourselves.

Not sure how someone that's supposedly read this entire thread missed all my powerleveling about being a literal autistic sped (and how godawful most sped teachers are).

There's a big difference between being disabled and having a lethal anomaly that will likely result in death by early childhood at the latest. There's also a big difference between a child being brought into a family where it's wanted and will be properly cared for, and one being born into a situation it isn't wanted and will just be resented and mistreated. I will always be pro-embryo yeeting if the alternative is guaranteed child abuse or suffering.

Are you one of those exceptional individuals that would call an anencephaly zombaby "disabled"?

Spoiler: Tardcum tax.

You need to sperg harder if you think "my exceptional individualism is a disability but a lethal condition isn't". There's a huge difference of degree, not of kind. She's a real train, you're just a model train set. Anyways, thank you for backing me up with your autistic display of internalised ableism. I think you've made my point for me.

 

[LonesomeDud]

This thread is ableist.

I don't mean the making fun of tards and their parents. If you can take on the enormously burdensome obligation of raising a tarded child, you can take a joke. And if you're a tarded child, you don't even know some jokers on the Internet are making fun of you.

I mean the common assertion that disabled people should be put to sleep.

Fucking Bond villians. They are why men are bigger than women. Because if these narcs were bigger than men, they would treat them the same way they treat these poor defenseless little tards (and we know this, because in those animals where the female is bigger the male, she eats him after he busts a nut in her).

/m'ladies

There are a lot of reasons to end someone's life, and not all of them are wrong, and not all of them are murder. It's important to be gracious when assuming the reasons why people believe or think things.

Edit: I'm not being sanctimonious, because I also want others to be gracious when they think I believe something wrong or stupid. As an adult American, until yesterday, I believed George Washington was from NY.

Second edit: If Kiwi Farms is ever successfully doxxed and I have to explain why I was both stupid and wrong about American history to my friends, family, and work, I am worried they will be disappointed, but unsurprised.

 

[Android raptor]

Spoiler: Tardcum tax.

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You need to sperg harder if you think "my exceptional individualism is a disability but a lethal condition isn't". There's a huge difference of degree, not of kind. She's a real train, you're just a model train set. Anyways, thank you for backing me up with your autistic display of internalised ableism. I think you've made my point for me.

Sis conjoined twins have it made compared to most of the kids ITT.

A baby that literally doesn't have a brain isn't simply disabled. It's straight up not compatible with life and will never experience consciousness or awareness even if its born technically alive. There's no shame in aborting something like that, nor is it comparable to an autist or tard or kid that uses a wheelchair or conjoined twins or w/e.

If you've read this thread, you should've seen plenty of anencephaly frog babies (and dead frog baby photoshoots and whatnot).

At least frog babies can't suffer though, unlike kids with fatal heart conditions like Tinslee (poor girl).

 

[craven rutherfordium]

I just went through this thread, bro. No need to go through it again and collate an entire set for you, getting all off topic just because you can't remember what's written all over the place. A fucking , , , or would have sufficed.

My impression is that most people who read and/or post in this thread are here because they believe that children with disabilities should be afforded basic human dignity. The rest is nuance.

 

[Android raptor]

My impression is that most people who read and/or post in this thread are here because they believe that children with disabilities should be afforded basic human dignity. The rest is nuance.

Also that hopeless cases like kids with fatal conditions or nonsentient potatoes not have their suffering needlessly prolonged, especially if their parents just want to flog them on social media for grifting and attention.

Ffs Hollie Dance discussion started here, that was a chav former stripper flogging her literally dead kid for attention and demanding he be kept on life support. A kid whose brain matter was decaying and falling into his spine months before they finally pulled the plug.

 

[Quack_Quack]

Hey @Rainbow Child

Have you ever had to care for, or make a choice wrt TFMR for a severely disabled child? I have.

My first was a medical abortion due to anencephaly... Would I rather have continued a pregnancy that would have related on death in utero or just after birth, or to abort a severely cognitively disabled much wanted child because their quality of life was below zero? Anencephaly means there is no brain and top of skull development. There is nothing substantive within the remains of the skull to allow life past attachments to machines that dictate every sustainable function. Husband and I made the choice to not torture our child. He is still our first regardless of outcome and every year I miss him.

What you're stating, the euthanasia of the disabled? I'm sure you've heard of the T4 Aktion and the wholesale slaughter of physically, mentally and undesirable elements of society. I'm sure I remember that and the Holocaust being war crimes. These were people loved who had cognitive development even if they were below the curve.

What we're discussing, is those that, in any other time period, would have died in utero, or at birth, and their flayed deformed bodies seen as a sign of the devil. We discuss those that should not be alive, and their exhibition by narcissistic parents who milk them for money and stuff and asspats when they're alive and after death (see Mama Nails and Hollie Dance for examples of these ghouls). At no point is anyone suggesting the slaughter of those with quality of life, more the removal of services for those whose lives are pain and degradation and fear.

The children here are those exploited by people purporting to love them, instead they bask in the attention of others to feed their egos. It's disgusting and degrading. Let them go in peace.

 

[Turtlebees]

@Rainbow Child

I don't want to kill disabled kids. I worked with disabled kids and enjoy them, in some ways I enjoy them more than ordinary kids. Note that I said disabled, not brain dead or otherwise potatoed.

I look at it this way; if the life I'm debating ending involves hopeless misery I wouldn't want to endure myself or is one not being lived, making any continued existence about my happiness and not theirs, options such as abortion are on the table. Torturing another to make a political or religious point, or to postpone facing grief from loss, is arrogant.