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The Duke and Duchess of Sussex have announced they will step back as "senior" royals and work to become financially independent.

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In a statement, Prince Harry and Meghan also said they plan to split their time between the UK and North America.

The BBC understands no other royal - including the Queen or Prince William - was consulted before the statement and Buckingham Palace is "disappointed".

Senior royals are understood to be "hurt" by the announcement.

In their unexpected statement on Wednesday, also posted on their Instagram page, the couple said they made the decision "after many months of reflection and internal discussions".

"We intend to step back as 'senior' members of the Royal Family and work to become financially independent, while continuing to fully support Her Majesty The Queen."

They said they plan to balance their time between the UK and North America while "continuing to honour our duty to the Queen, the Commonwealth, and our patronages".

"This geographic balance will enable us to raise our son with an appreciation for the royal tradition into which he was born, while also providing our family with the space to focus on the next chapter, including the launch of our new charitable entity."

A Buckingham Palace spokeswoman said discussions with the duke and duchess on their decision to step back were "at an early stage", adding: "We understand their desire to take a different approach, but these are complicated issues that will take time to work through."

The couple's announcement on Wednesday comes two months after the Duke of York withdrew from public life after a BBC interview about his ties to sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, who killed himself in August.

 
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I've already said she's a rich WHITE bitch, but the old one drop rule seems to live on somehow, at least in the USA.

Here's a pic of Ben Jealous (yes that's his real name) who was boss of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People.
Wow that actual a lot worst then her by a long shot. This guy is highly privileged, comes from a wealthy background to attend Oxford and has connections to the Davos World Economic Forum. Yet can play the race card and be first person of color in a leadership role at Sierra Club.
 
They are white commoners. The way people cling to that One Drop Rule with this family is embarrassing on so many levels. They may have black heritage, but those are WHITE children. Just like their mom.
"muH oNe dRoP rAciSts"
Nigger Narkle keeps playing the race card. She identifies with black people and throws whites under the bus. She chose her side when she identified with blacks and used racism againat whites to further her career.
 
"muH oNe dRoP rAciSts"
Nigger Narkle keeps playing the race card. She identifies with black people and throws whites under the bus. She chose her side when she identified with blacks and used racism againat whites to further her career.
That may be true, but let's be honest: she don't look like no black woman. She moved through the world as a spicy white until she realized she could use her "OnE DrOp" as a political cudgel.
In fact, I bet if she looked *more* like an actual black woman, she wouldn't have gotten away with so much. She's double-dipping with both groups.
 
Well, I've blown a funny fuse again. The Guardian has apparently gotten its grubby little mitts on a copy of the book and Harry has described a physical "fight" with William in it. I'm going to have to read it now just for the lulz.

theguardian.com/books/2023/jan/04/prince-harry-william-physical-attack-2019-meghan-spare-book


Prince Harry details physical attack by brother William in new book​

Exclusive: Harry writes in new autobiography Spare that William ‘knocked me to the floor’ during confrontation in London in 2019

In his highly anticipated autobiography, Spare, Prince Harry recounts what he says was a physical attack by his brother, William, now Prince of Wales, as their relationship fell apart over the younger prince’s marriage to the actor Meghan Markle.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...er-trailer-tv-talks-memoir-spare-royal-family
Describing a confrontation at his London home in 2019, Harry says William called Meghan “difficult”, “rude” and “abrasive”, which Harry calls a “parrot[ing of] the press narrative” about his American wife.

The confrontation escalated, Harry writes, until William “grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and … knocked me to the floor”.

The extraordinary scene, which Harry says resulted in visible injury to his back, is one of many in Spare, which will be published worldwide next week and is likely to spark a serious furore for the British royal family.

Amid stringent pre-launch security around the book, the Guardian obtained a copy.

The book’s title comes from an old saying in royal and aristocratic circles: that a first son is an heir to titles, power and fortune, and a second is therefore a spare, should anything happen to the first-born.

Spare is a remarkable volume, in which the altercation between the two princes forms a startling passage.

Harry writes that William wanted to talk about “the whole rolling catastrophe” of their relationship and struggles with the press. But when William arrived at Nottingham Cottage – where Harry was then living, in the grounds of Kensington Palace and known as “Nott Cott” – he was, Harry says, already “piping hot”.

After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better. But William, Harry says, was not being rational, leading to the two men shouting over each other.

Harry then accused his brother of acting like an heir, unable to understand why his younger brother was not content to be a spare.

Insults were exchanged, before William claimed he was trying to help.

Harry said: “Are you serious? Help me? Sorry – is that what you call this? Helping me?”

That comment, Harry says, angered his brother, who swore while stepping towards him. Now scared, Harry writes, he went to the kitchen, his furious brother following.

Harry writes that he gave his brother a glass of water and said: “Willy, I can’t speak to you when you’re like this.”

He writes: “He set down the water, called me another name, then came at me. It all happened so fast. So very fast. He grabbed me by the collar, ripping my necklace, and he knocked me to the floor. I landed on the dog’s bowl, which cracked under my back, the pieces cutting into me. I lay there for a moment, dazed, then got to my feet and told him to get out.”

Harry writes that William urged him to hit back, citing fights they had as children. Harry says he refused to do so. William left, Harry says, then returned “looking regretful, and apologised”.

When William left again, his brother writes, he “turned and called back: ‘You don’t need to tell Meg about this.’

“‘You mean that you attacked me?’

“‘I didn’t attack you, Harold.’”

Harry says he didn’t immediately tell his wife – but did call his therapist.

When Meghan later noticed “scrapes and bruises” on his back, and he therefore told her of the attack, Harry says she “wasn’t that surprised, and wasn’t all that angry.

“She was terribly sad.”

Harry’s resentment of being the “spare” is the unifying theme of his book, through chapters on his childhood, his schooling, his career as a royal and in the British army, his relationship with his parents and brother and his life with Meghan through courtship, wedding and marriage to their own experience of parenthood.

Early on, Harry recounts the story of how his father, now King Charles, supposedly said to his wife, Princess Diana, on the day of Harry’s birth: “Wonderful! Now you’ve given me an heir and a spare – my work is done.”

Whether describing his memories and love for Diana, who was killed in a car crash in Paris in August 1997, or his similar love for his grandmother, Queen Elizabeth II, who died last year, Harry is unsparing in his recounting of intensely private scenes and conversations.

Harry met Meghan in 2016. They married at Windsor Castle in 2018. As Duke and Duchess of Sussex, they began life as working royals but quickly drifted apart from the family and eventually embarked on a largely separate existence, moving to Canada and then California.

Their acrimonious split from the royal family has been the subject of endless press coverage, some of it steered themselves, including via a famous interview with Oprah Winfrey in 2021 that caused huge controversy on both sides of the Atlantic and around the world.

Subjects from that interview and a recently released Netflix documentary, including a miscarriage suffered by Meghan and her thoughts of suicide, and suggestions of racism within royal circles, are covered extensively in Harry’s book.

The book has been trailed and two interviews with Harry are due to be broadcast in the UK and US this weekend, with ITV News at Ten and CBS 60 Minutes. Both interviews are eagerly awaited, trailers and teasers reported on as news as speculation about what Harry has chosen to say in his book continues.

In a clip from the ITV interview, Harry said: “I would like to get my father back, I would like to have my brother back.”

Given the details recounted in his book, that might not seem immediately likely. Indeed one of Harry’s most pertinent revelations of private conversations between the senior royals comes from the very front of his book.

Harry recounts an anguished meeting with Charles and William after the Windsor Castle funeral of Prince Phillip, the queen’s husband, in April 2021.

Charles, he says, stood between his warring sons, “looking up at our flushed faces”.

“Please, boys,” Harry quotes his father as saying. “Don’t make my final years a misery.”
 
When I left the house this morning the buzz was that this was the most closely guarded book evar EVAR. Now these papers are popping up claiming to have "obtained copies." I assume Meghan sent it to them. Harry is now claiming Will and Kate told him to wear the Nazi costume in 2005.

If I laugh any more tonight I'm going to stroke out.



Prince Harry sensationally puts some of the blame for his Nazi uniform scandal on his brother, Prince William, and his sister-in-law, Kate Middleton, in his new memoir, sources tell Page Six.

The Duke of Sussex will claim the Prince and Princess of Wales “howled with laughter” when they saw him dressed up for the 2005 party.

Harry was 20 years old when The Sun newspaper published a front-page photo of him dressed as a Nazi soldier with a red armband emblazoned with a big swastika.

The picture was taken at a costume party with a “Native and Colonial” theme, where William was also a guest and was dressed in a homemade lion outfit.

In one segment of the book, obtained by Page Six, Harry writes about choosing the outfit, revealing that it was a toss-up between two costumes: a pilot uniform or a Nazi uniform.

“I phoned Willy and Kate, asked what they thought. Nazi uniform, they said,” Harry writes, adding that when he went home and tried it on for them. “They both howled. Worse than Willy’s leotard outfit! Way more ridiculous! Which, again, was the point.”

Harry, now 38, is expected to go into detail for the first time about his fallout with his older brother following the ensuing storm. Other book sources confirm that there is also a “good chunk” about both Kate and his stepmother, Queen Consort Camilla Parker-Bowles.

Prince Harry was 20 when he was caught up in the Nazi costume storm on the cover of The Sun newspaper.

Although the Duke of Sussex has called the Nazi incident “one of the biggest mistakes in my life,” one senior publishing source who has read Harry’s “Spare” told us, “It’s strange as you would think that Harry would take ownership of this and just move on and not drag his brother into it, but he makes it clear that he feels strongly about William’s role in the scandal.”

Royal Historian Robert Lacey had previously written that the first sign of trouble between the brothers came when Harry was forced to bear the brunt of public outrage over his Nazi costume — even though William helped choose the outfit.

“Harry chose his costume in conjunction with his elder brother — the future King William V, then 22, who had laughed all the way back to Highgrove (Charles’ country home) with the younger sibling he was supposed to be mentoring — and then onwards to the party together,” Lacey wrote in his 2020 book “Battle of Brothers.”

He talked about how Harry began to feel alienated from his family following the incident, as the book said, “The young prince began re-evaluating his elder brother’s involvement and the unfairness of William’s subsequent emergence smelling of roses.”

“It made Harry feel resentful and even alienated,” Lacey wrote, claiming that William was the one who would “coax” Harry into his “errant and self-destructive ways.”

“For the first time, their relationship really suffered and they barely spoke,” one former aide told Lacey. “Harry resented the fact that William got away so lightly.”

The fallout sparked “no speaks” between the pair in the ensuing years, as Harry repeatedly resented being painted as the “comical fall guy” to his brother’s “glittering hero,” the book claimed.

So therefore it was not Harry’s wife who was the impetus for the issues with Harry and his family, Lacey wrote.

“He already had very solid reasons to get shot [get rid] of the rest of us and our smiling assumptions of the inferior — and actually rather demeaning — role that he should be grateful to play. Truly a ‘spare’ in more than one sense.”

In another bombshell excerpt from his upcoming biography, Harry revealed how his brother hit him as they came to blows over Markle.

The Guardian published an excerpt Wednesday in which Harry claimed that the new Prince of Wales grabbed him by the collar and threw him to the floor during a fight, which left him with visible injuries.

The fight allegedly broke out at his London home in 2019, after William branded Markle “difficult,” “rude” and “abrasive.”

“Spare” hits stores Jan. 10.
 
Harry’s given name is Henry, not Harold. It’s not even one of his middle names; he’s Henry Charles Albert David. Seems a weird thing to call one’s brother during a heated argument that totally actually really happened.
Unless William calls him that to piss him off, which would be pretty funny.

I was watching the episode of The Crown tonight with the famous Martin Bashir interview with Princess Diana and the way she comes off as so whiney and "me me me", exaggerating everyone's faults and how they are out to get her, narcissistically taking everything out of context as about her, while simultaneously being manipulated by the slimy Bashir reminds me a lot of what we're hearing from Harry. Like yeah, she did have some legitimate complaints, but she magnified and exaggerated everything in her mind to be so much worse than it was, ascribing malicious intent to everyone and thinking everyone was out to get her.

Also makes me wonder if Harry is being manipulated in the same way by Markle as Bashir did to Diana.
 
Harry’s given name is Henry, not Harold. It’s not even one of his middle names; he’s Henry Charles Albert David. Seems a weird thing to call one’s brother during a heated argument that totally actually really happened.
Wait a minute..... henry....the family is german.....the german equivalent is heinrich....harry once got roasted for wearing that nazi uniform to a party....heinrich himmler......

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I can't reply to @LordofTendons's post for some reason, but good God, did that article give me a laugh. That shit plays out like an exceptionally bad fanfiction written by a twelve year old girl. It's even got the melodramatic dialogue and weird OOC behavior of the designated villain character to prove how Evil and Horrible they are and how Good and Righteous the main characters are. A grown man wrote this, or at the very least signed off on it. Unbelievable.
 
After William complained about Meghan, Harry writes, Harry told him he was repeating the press narrative and that he expected better.
I thought William was secretly writing the press narratives. Keep your story straight, "Harold".

Harry says he didn’t immediately tell his wife – but did call his therapist.
Pathetic.

That bit about the dog bowl breaking is pretty bizarre too. What is it supposed to be made of, porcelain? I mean, I wouldn't put it past them to waste money like that, but...
 
I laughed my ass off about the royal beatdown. Am not a man, but isn't this just how brothers be sometimes?

I have Irish twins who are equally matched in height and weight. The older can be, well, kind of an asshole provocateur. The younger is the type to let the anger build build build then BOOM. One night, the repressed one finally snapped and the beatdown commenced. Obviously I made him stop, but I didn't exactly hurry to the scene.
 
What a complete fucking faggot, these people used to start wars and kill people for looking at them funny and this is what the Royal institution has become. Although it's not like Harry is a related to any of these people.

To cry about the media while whoring yourself out at every opportunity for some sympathy or just attention is some teenager shit. If you want to patch things up with your brother, you don't start gossiping like a woman. Getting pushed by your brother isn't even remotely noteworthy, my siblings and I fought like cat and dog growing up.
 
Spare has been released early in Spain according to Daily Mail. I imagine there will be a lot more of these over the coming weekend.



Prince Harry 'begged Prince Charles not to marry Camilla' and feared she would one day be his 'wicked stepmother', his new book claims​

  • EXCLUSIVE: Copies of 'Spare' accidentally sold in Spain ahead of release date
  • William called Camilla 'other woman'. Harry feared she was 'wicked stepmother'
  • Spanish version lifts lid on Harry's failing relationship with William and Charles

Prince Harry has claimed in his bombshell memoir that he and William 'begged' their father Charles not to marry Camilla after Princess Diana's death, fearing that she would be their 'wicked stepmother', MailOnline can reveal today.

In his explosive autobiography, titled Spare, the Duke of Sussex alleges that he and his brother would not stand in the way of the then Prince of Wales's relationship but had asked him not to walk down the aisle for the second time, calling Camilla the 'Other Woman'.

Charles had tried to 'win over the kids' before asking the public to accept Camilla, the book claims. Harry claims that meeting her for the first time was like an 'injection', writing: 'Close your eyes and you won't even feel it.'

The Duke said: 'I remember wondering... if she would be cruel to me; if she would be like all the evil stepmothers in the stories'. He added: 'Willy had been suspicious of the Other Woman for a long time, which confused and tormented him; When those suspicions were confirmed, he felt agonizing remorse for not having done or said anything before'.

Harry's book has been released six days early in Spain, and reveals that he calls William his 'archenemy' and 'polar opposite' before describing the moment he was told that Diana was dead, MailOnline can reveal.

The Duke said: 'I remember wondering... if she would be cruel to me; if she would be like all the evil stepmothers in the stories'. He added: 'Willy had been suspicious of the Other Woman for a long time, which confused and tormented him; When those suspicions were confirmed, he felt agonizing remorse for not having done or said anything before'.

Harry's book has been released six days early in Spain, and reveals that he calls William his 'archenemy' and 'polar opposite' before describing the moment he was told that Diana was dead, MailOnline can reveal.

Harry accuses his older brother of being the aggressor during Megxit, claiming their relationship has become so strained and damaged that the Prince of Wales would only 'scowl' at him.

The Duke reveals that he held a secret meeting with William and Charles hours after the funeral of Prince Philip in April 2021 - close to the grave of King Edward VIII and Wallis Simpson - but said his father and brother wouldn't listen to him and claimed not to understand why he had emigrated.

His attacks on William and Charles are revealed at the start of the Spanish version of his book 'Spare'. There the book is called 'En La Sombra', which translates as 'In the Shadow', and begins with the dedication: 'For Meg, Archie and Lili... and, of course, my mother'.

The book is not due out until Tuesday morning, but appears to have been published early abroad with various excerpts leaked to the left-wing press.

MailOnline can reveal that chapter one begins after Prince Philip's funeral in April 2021, where he describes meeting his father and brother in the grounds of Windsor Castle, close to Frogmore Cottage, where the Sussexes stay when in the UK.

Harry, who calls his brother 'Willy' throughout the book, says he came to Britain to say farewell to the Duke of Edinburgh but also requested a 'secret meeting with my older brother and my father'. He also revealed that his grandmother the Queen called him in the US to tell him: 'Harry... grandfather has passed away'.

The prince describes waiting close to the graves of the former King Edward VIII and his wife Wallis Simpson, who he gave up the throne for, and ponders what they would have thought about his own falling out with his family.

But Harry says as soon as he saw William and Charles enter the gardens, he said he knew they were there for a 'duel' rather than a reconciliation. He claims they interrupted him each time they tried to explain.

He wrote: 'I looked at Willy, really looked at him, perhaps for the first time since we were little, taking in every detail: his familiar scowl, which had always been the norm in his dealings with me'.

He said that his brother's baldness was 'alarming' and 'advanced than mine' and said his resemblance their their mother had 'faded'.
Describing his brother, once his best friend, as his 'polar opposite', he said: 'My dear brother, my archenemy, how did we come to this? I felt overwhelming tiredness. I wanted to go home'.

Harry then accused William and Charles of effectively gaslighting him, by denying he understood why he and Meghan had left for the US. Harry said of Frogmore Cottage: 'Willy, this was supposed to be our house. We were going to spend the rest of our lives here'.

William replied: 'You left, Harold'. Harry said: 'Yeah, and you know why', and his brother shot back -Honestly no. Harold... not really.'.
Harry then turned to Charles 'who was looking at me with an expression that said, 'Me neither.'
He said he felt like they didn't know him and were 'not in a position to listen' to him.
 
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