Times you have changed your mind on an issue

[Moogsy]

Changed my opinion on (burn all the) Furries.

About 5 years ago I became very close friends with someone who I learned, over time, was: a crossdresser, a furry, a juggalo, and a card-carrying member of the KISS army. If it involved dressing up and putting on makeup, by hell they were balls deep in it (They were also a "GWAR Cosplayer"). They're still a pleasant, fun person despite all of the above and while they were a bit of a quirky beanpole, they were not insufferable, awkward, or spergy.

Eventually he asked me to go on a day-long trip to a tourist/hiking destination with a bunch of his friends. A couple guys and girls I didn't know but we got along great and had a fantastic time.

On the return trip, out of nowhere, they started trading stories about being management/organizers of furry conventions. I realized that I just spent my whole day hanging out with some hardcore, lifestyle furries but they passed as normal people. Nobody brought up their foxsona, or costumes, or was even all that unusual. Even the management stories were about kicking out neonazis and people who were yiffing in the hallways.

It checked my perception of furries, as a group, incredibly hard. I *always* tell myself now that "The embarrassing 10% makes up 90% of what you see."

Y'know, except for Juggalos.

 

[Hanamura]

I used to be pretty pro-life back before I knew what the abortion process was like. I thought that they were actually killing full-term babies, which obviously isn't true (unless some unfortunate event that requires a late-term abortion because it's risking the mom's life)

I was an SJW a few years back, when I was still trying to find myself. I hung out with a lot of toxic people, and I think I stopped classifying myself as one during the onslaught of callout posts for everyone for every trivial thing that didn't follow the hivemind.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I used to think that happiness had to be earned through working hard at something you didn't like to make money

But then I decided that that was a stupid tactic because you are actually sacrificing a large amount of value by doing so and if you are highly skilled in one thing then you will probably be able to make more money from it as well as getting non monetary value

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

Well, I have gotten a lot more right-wing/conservative over the past few months, mainly due to cynicism of the left, researching various viewpoints, and current events like the refugee crisis, the fact that race relations went sour since a Democrat (in this case Obama) and how many of the Democratic candidates and Trump (since every conservative I know says Trump's views ain't conservative for shit (such as his support for big government and fascist views going against the values of conservative ideology (which advocates for smaller government))) are enabling race relations to worsen, and the fact that many college campuses care far more about left-wing/liberal/Democratic/Feminist/Marxist/SJW ideology than about actual education and are even willing to suppress free speech and opposing viewpoints.

I also consider myself to be pro-life after researching the pro-life viewpoint (and also because a lot of abortion companies, especially Planned Parenthood have been covering up and enabling domestic violence and child abuse (especially that of the sexual kind) because they choose not to report possible sexual abuse on clients who are clearly under the age of consent (which that alone gives child predators a way to cover up the abuse)).

(yes I am highly aware that I necroed a thread)

 

[autisticdragonkin]

I also consider myself to be pro-life after researching the pro-life viewpoint (and also because a lot of abortion companies, especially Planned Parenthood have been covering up and enabling domestic violence and child abuse (especially that of the sexual kind) because they choose not to report possible sexual abuse on clients who are clearly under the age of consent (which that alone gives child predators a way to cover up the abuse)).

What are you talking about?

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

What are you talking about?

While many of these sources have a pro-life bias, I do have some sources on this:

1. Source 1
2. Source 2
3. Source 3
4. Source 4
5. Source 5

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[Marvin]

While many of these sources have a pro-life bias, I do have some sources on this:

1. Source 1
2. Source 2
3. Source 3
4. Source 4
5. Source 5

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You don't actually care about those sources, right?

 

[autisticdragonkin]

While all of these sources have a pro-life bias, I do have some sources on this

The only one that remotely looks legitimate is wnd.com but look at some of the other titles
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/bibles-most-detailed-prophecy-about-antichrist/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/obamas-8-greatest-appeasements/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/germany-bows-to-emerging-adolf-hitler-of-the-middle-east/ (note that they are calling turkey the middle east)

It looks worse than breitbart

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

You don't actually care about those sources, right?

I find it easier to list my sources like that.

The only one that remotely looks legitimate is wnd.com but look at some of the other titles
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/bibles-most-detailed-prophecy-about-antichrist/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/obamas-8-greatest-appeasements/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/germany-bows-to-emerging-adolf-hitler-of-the-middle-east/ (note that they are calling turkey the middle east)

It looks worse than breitbart

Okay, I probably really should have checked wnd because of the other articles they posted there. That was a fuck up on my part.

 

[Locksnap]

While many of these sources have a pro-life bias, I do have some sources on this:

1. Source 1
2. Source 2
3. Source 3
4. Source 4
5. Source 5

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I don't really see how abortion clinics not reporting underage pregnancies is somehow evidence of them being complicit in covering up child abuse. None of these sources have evidence, they're just stating that the clinics are breaking the law by not reporting, and then conflating that with the possibility that child abuse is occurring.

There is a far more reasonable explanation for why the clinics aren't reporting abortions requested by patients under the age of consent; their parents may harm them if they find out.

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

I don't really see how abortion clinics not reporting underage pregnancies is somehow evidence of them being complicit in covering up child abuse. None of these sources have evidence, they're just stating that the clinics are breaking the law by not reporting, and then conflating that with the possibility that child abuse is occurring.

There is a far more reasonable explanation for why the clinics aren't reporting abortions requested by patients under the age of consent; their parents may harm them if they find out.

By law healthcare providers (and yes this does include abortion clinics) are required to report any child abuse, especially if the abuse is sexual.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

By law healthcare providers (and yes this does include abortion clinics) are required to report any child abuse, especially if the abuse is sexual.

And do you have evidence to suggest that they don't report sexual abuse when they have legitimate reason to suspect it

 

[Locksnap]

By law healthcare providers (and yes this does include abortion clinics) are required to report any child abuse, especially if the abuse is sexual.

Okay. And?

 

[DirkBloodStormKing]

And do you have evidence to suggest that they don't report sexual abuse when they have legitimate reason to suspect it

Okay. And?

The fact that they usually keep it confidential when an underaged client gets an abortion (even when it is in the case of rape/incest) is pretty sketchy. The fact that someone who is underaged is having sex in the first place is enough to raise an eyebrow and should be reported for possible abuse and exploitation of the child in the first place.

 

[Locksnap]

The fact that they usually keep it confidential when an underaged client gets an abortion (even when it is in the case of rape/incest) is pretty sketchy.

Is it? I think its reasonable to allow the minor to make that decision. Patient-Doctor confidentiality isn't something thats just lightly tossed away.

The fact that someone who is underaged is having sex in the first place is enough to raise an eyebrow and should be reported for possible abuse and exploitation of the child in the first place.

Mate, people are having sex for the first time at increasingly younger ages. Unless there is evidence to suggest adults and abuse are involved, or if the minor involved is particularly young, theres no reason for their medical confidentiality to be violated.

I'm still not really sure why, even if your assertion was true, this would have any effect at all on your opinions of women over the age of consent obtaining abortions.

 

[AnOminous]

The only one that remotely looks legitimate is wnd.com but look at some of the other titles
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/bibles-most-detailed-prophecy-about-antichrist/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/obamas-8-greatest-appeasements/
http://www.wnd.com/2016/04/germany-bows-to-emerging-adolf-hitler-of-the-middle-east/ (note that they are calling turkey the middle east)

It looks worse than breitbart

World Nut Daily is the Weekly World News of the far right. They were one of the primary proponents of the so-called birthers, that is, people who insisted against all reason and evidence that Obama was born in Kenya.

 

[A Skeleton]

The fact that they usually keep it confidential when an underaged client gets an abortion (even when it is in the case of rape/incest) is pretty sketchy. The fact that someone who is underaged is having sex in the first place is enough to raise an eyebrow and should be reported for possible abuse and exploitation of the child in the first place.

So you would rather have literal children raising children than abortions

ok

 

[SpacePanther]

I find it easier to list my sources like that.


Okay, I probably really should have checked wnd because of the other articles they posted there. That was a fuck up on my part.

Like @Locksnap said, why does this have to do with your view on women who are not minors and are over the age of consent? I'm not trying to bash you, and I can see your reasoning a lil bit for minors, but otherwise it sounds to me like it doesn't make sense.

 

[autisticdragonkin]

So you would rather have literal children raising children than abortions

ok

Adoption exists

 

[on a serious note]

I changed my mind about Brussels sprouts (they are good).