Culture Why are incels turning themselves into girls? - The rise of "transmaxxing" is a sign of things to come

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A new report from Sanjana Friedman at Pirate Wires documents a phenomenon that’s been a source of discussion among the extremely online for a little while, and has now made it into the open. “Transmaxxing” is a subculture of young men who embrace trans identities not because they believe they were ‘born in the wrong body’ but simply because they can, and because they think it’ll make their lives better.

It’s a phenomenon that reveals more nakedly than ever before the true face of the cyborg era: a culture caught between increasingly powerful technology, and the collapse of any coherent narrative about how best to use it for the good into a general sense that all narratives are interchangeable.

As Friedman tells it, the transmaxxers are strikingly post-ideological about their self-remodelling, at least compared to the official trans narrative, which draws heavily from 20th-century civil rights discourse. In this view, ‘gender identity’ is immutable and trans people are just ‘born that way’.

Many transmaxxers, though, modify themselves just because they want to (examples are shown on this 73-page ‘transmaxxing’ manifesto). Some report making up stories of gender dysphoria for medical professionals, while others then self-induce gender dysphoria by watching ‘sissy hypno’ — a type of video in which hypnotic (and sometimes also pornographic) stimuli are combined with messages encouraging the male viewer to embrace feminine looks or behaviour. The post-ideological feel of the phenomenon is underlined further by how often such individuals shift from embracing the ‘incel’ ideologies associated with the Right, to ‘trans’ identities associated with the Left.

For the most part, the contest between trans activists and their feminist opponents has been conducted on the field of ‘gender’: what it is, whether it has discrete categories, how (or whether) it relates to physiology and so on. A smaller handful of writers have drawn attention to the transhumanist implications of claiming a right to remodel one’s physical body based on an unfalsifiable inner feeling.

This vision sees medicine not as a restorative practice intended to return us to a shared understanding of ‘normal’, but as a potentially limitless method of upgrading ‘normal’ according to personal desire and preference. This has been openly advocated for some time as well by some trans activists, such as pharma entrepreneur Martine Rothblatt. But the debate has so far stayed largely within the pre-cyborg moral frame of equality, justice and rights.

Yet as Friedman notes, what’s striking in the transmaxxers is the way they’re cheerfully abandoning the civil-rights narrative, in favour of an open, wholesale embrace of the transhumanist outlook. Many transmaxxers report that the interventions have significantly improved their lives; why, such individuals might ask, does anyone need a ‘born in the wrong body’ story to justify something that works on its own terms?

And it’s here that we catch a glimpse of the real face of the cyborg era: an emerging cultural paradigm in which technology is the ideology. The opinions someone endorses while down an internet rabbit hole matter less than the cumulative psychological impact of spending all day every day in that rabbit hole: a condition of radical body dissociation and (increasingly measurably) real-world social isolation.

Once self is thus dissociated from body, there’s no obvious reason not to treat that ‘meat suit’ as an instrument to be optimised, whether via hormones, surgery or other interventions, in pursuit of greater happiness — and again the story matters less than the fact you’re simply doing it because you can.

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Transmaxxing: the Incel-To-Transwoman Pipeline​

why a community of depressed young men with nothing to lose is convinced the only way out of their misery is gender transition​


That a large and growing subset of men are literally incapable of getting laid is a seemingly-benign issue that actually impacts our entire country, intersecting every controversial topic from technology addiction and “toxic masculinity” to the population crash. But more recently, as the involuntarily celibate (incel) subculture works its way through the funhouse mirror world of our Twenty-first Century internet, it has strangely — and perhaps inevitably — intersected with the trans community. Long story short, what if you hated women so much you decided to become one?

Today, in a whirlwind of incel men becoming girls and dating each other, androgen treatments as a defense against a man’s own sex drive and “the power of women,” and the use of sissy hypno porn to “force” men into womanhood, Sanjana Friedman guests for Pirate Wires with a wild foray into America’s strangest and most wondrous new creature: the incel transmaxxer.

Buckle up.

-Solana


Imagine you’re a depressed young man in a developed country. Maybe you work long hours for low pay, maybe you’re unemployed. When you were in school, you didn’t fit in with other boys; girls acted like you weren’t even there. You spend most of your free time playing video games and shitposting with online friends you’ve never met in real life. You rarely have sex without paying for it. You consider suicide regularly. To the left, you’re a threat: a woman-hating incel with latent violent tendencies. To the right, you’re a degenerate: a porn-addicted, weak “virgin” who struggles to impose himself on the world.

So where do you go from here? Do you ingratiate yourself with SJWs, or with the chads? Do you succumb to the temptation to commit suicide?

For some men, the solution to the despair of living as an isolated, unhappy male is straightforward: become a woman. They call themselves “transmaxxers” and they believe gender transition can be an effective tool for escaping the misery of involuntary celibacy, social isolation, and professional mediocrity. More broadly, they see transition as a potentially revolutionary response to a world where the combination of industrialization and biomedical technologies such as in vitro fertilization and sperm donation have eroded the financial and reproductive opportunities previously available to most men. Like many revolutionary movements, they operate semi-clandestinely, preferring Discord to Twitter and YouTube, and express their beliefs primarily in the form of manifestos. The latest, a 73-page document published in April 2022 includes chapters like:
  • “How society benefits from people transitioning”—“[incels] will become less likely to develop or maintain problematic political beliefs or become violent, they will instead benefit from accelerated hypergamy and gynocentrism”
  • “How to transition”—a 13-step process that involves, among other things, watching anime and sissy hypno porn to induce dysphoria, banking your sperm, and beginning hormone replacement therapy
  • “Transwomen have way better sex than ‘chad’”—“[on estrogen] you will experience multiple full-body orgasms”
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The 1,200+ member transmaxxing Discord includes men who have transitioned, those who are merely interested, and everything between. Some men in the Discord are there simply because they have a kink for “forced feminization,” a form of fantasy roleplay in which a man is forced to assume a stereotypically feminine appearance and sexual role. But Vintologi, an admin of the Discord, and the compiler of the transmaxx manifestos, told me that “most active members seem to be on HRT [hormone replacement therapy].” And though he insists that “most of the incel community are against transmaxxing and incels do not participate in our spaces much,” the manifestos and Discord chats suggest that many transmaxxers previously identified as incels. The “Transmaxxing success stories” chapter in the manifesto attests to the existence of an incel-to-transmaxxer pipeline:
  • “4 years ago I was an edgy, right-wing, anti-SJW teen who was borderline MGTOW [Men Going Their Own Way1]. Now I’m a gay catgirl dating an anarchist transgirl.”
  • “I was more an incel-ish transphobe than anything. Looking back at my past kinda disgusts me, but now I’m good with myself. Honestly makes me wonder how many incels are in trans denial.”
  • “I used to run in neckbeard 4chan incel circles. Now my name is Rebecca and I’m a girl. When did that happen?”
Here in the manifesto, and elsewhere in transmaxx spaces, one often finds a strange mix of irony and seriousness. The manifesto is equal parts sober advice about procuring and dosing estrogen, and erotic descriptions of feminization. From the text:

[Y]our pants will be pulled down and soon you will feel a needle inside your muscle and soon the injection, estradiol valerate, it will be slowly absorbed by your body. At first it was just pills given orally, now it's injections and at this point hiding the breasts is very difficult.
Where does the fetish end and the identity begin? It is often difficult to tell. Kat_the_Vat, a YouTuber and member of the transmaxx Discord, suspects the manifesto’s porn talk (and, particularly, fantasies about forced feminization) may serve a practical purpose for would-be transmaxxers.

“[Some] incels need to be, like, forced into [pursuing transition] because they have all of these mental constraints from people around them saying ‘you can’t be a girl, because you’re a man’ [or] ‘you can’t do this because of your penis,’” she told me. “But as [they] transition, [they’re] like, ‘I don’t need to read [the porn part of the manifesto] anymore, let me just skip to the medication section.’”

Mainstream progressive discourse around the nature of dysphoria and trans identities doesn’t take kindly to the idea that porn could convince people to transition, or that gender dysphoria could be induced. If for some men transition could be, as Kat put it, “a route to deincelization”—or, practically, a way for “two young incels [to] transition and then date each other,” as Vintologi described it—then what becomes of the World Professional Association for Transgender Health’s insistence that gender identity is “a person’s intrinsic sense of being male (a boy or a man), female (a girl or a woman), or an alternative gender (e.g., boygirl, girlboy, transgender, genderqueer, eunuch)?” That trans people really just are the gender they claim to be underlies many core contemporary practices related to gender, from prescribing puberty blockers to dysphoric children to declaring pronouns at the start of meetings.

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Nor is transmaxxing necessarily amenable to a gender critical account of transgender identities, at least if this account rests on the claim that transition is always a physical and psychological disaster for those who pursue it. The manifesto and Discord are full of personal narratives from people who claim to have radically improved their lives by taking hormones and undergoing feminizing surgeries. As one transmaxxer put it, transition “was like going from watching a movie without colors and sound to watch[ing] a 4K movie with nice audio. I love how orgasms feel now when i am a girl, i didn’t think sex would be this good [sic].”

For Tina, a 23-year-old German transmaxxer who’s been living as a woman for the past year, transition has been a “solution to inceldom.” After suffering a “particularly hard [romantic] rejection” on the heels of “a series of rejections,” she began to investigate “certain patterns in the relationships between men and women.” Tina came to two crucial conclusions: first, that men are replaceable from a reproductive standpoint, and second, “one in 20 men are doomed to become incels” because of the imbalance in the birth sex ratio (on average, 105 boys are born for every 100 girls, though this ratio varies between countries). At this point, Tina felt that she herself was an incel, and decided she needed to “remove the sexual power that women had over [her]” by reducing her sex drive. When she learned that anti-androgens, which suppress testosterone production, are often prescribed to trans women as part of hormone replacement therapy, she decided to fake gender dysphoria in order to access the drug.

“I had never concerned myself with any kind of trans stuff before,” Tina told me, referencing her mindset prior to her decision to transmaxx. But after going to several trans-specialized psychologists and telling her “completely fake” dysphoria story — “the general gist of it is, ‘I’ve had gender dysphoria since I was 14… I’m uncomfortable around women and I envy them for their femaleness and all that kind of shit’” — she received a diagnosis of gender dysphoria and prescriptions for anti-androgens and estrogen.

“It was uncomfortable dressing up like a woman for the first time… but now it’s just normal,” Tina says. “I no longer consider myself an incel… the sex drive reduction worked, the dependency-on-women reduction worked, the self-worth-crisis relief worked. And I even met some nice trans people along the way.” She’s been living full-time as a woman for the past year and recently traveled to Marbella, Spain for a consultation with a facial feminization surgeon. Since she has been clinically diagnosed with dysphoria, the German government will cover all costs associated with her transition. She estimates these will total around €80,000.2

Where the progressive attitude is that gender identity is innate and has nothing to do with your sex, and the gender-critical attitude is also that gender identity is innate, but has everything to do with your sex, transmaxxing suggests a range of factors might influence a person’s decision to identify as trans and/or pursue transition: gender dysphoria (induced or otherwise); sexual fetishes (e.g. autogynephilia, which the manifesto encourages would-be transmaxxers to develop); a lack of certain highly valued male physical or social traits (having a large penis, being tall or strong, being assertive, being financially successful). It takes a transhumanist approach to transition, suggesting, in Kat’s words, that unhappy men ask themselves “is estrogen going to improve my life, are anti-androgens going to improve my life… it’s not about ‘oh am I innately a boy or a girl?’ or ‘am I stuck [in the wrong body]’… it’s like, ‘do I want to take estrogen and grow boobs?’”

Interestingly, most transmaxx discourse has little to say about women transitioning to men. Vintologi says that he would “ban FtM [female-to-male] transition completely… for the good of society,” citing five reasons why —

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In some ways, transmaxxing seems like a possible, albeit extreme, response to what Mary Harrington, taking a note from N.S. Lyons—who in turn takes a note from Christopher Lasch—calls the “class and culture war between ‘Physicals and ‘Virtuals.’” That is, between those who work in the material world and those who work “at a layer of abstraction apart from the physical world” (e.g. finance, media, tech, academia). On Harrington’s reading, deindustrialization has given the Virtuals a decisive upper hand over the Physicals and, in many cases, deprived Physicals of opportunities for financial and social mobility.

Similar analysis seems to underlie the transmaxxing manifesto’s claim that “most males are already obsolete” because “their bodies are no longer needed for physical work and males as a group do not have any major mental advantages over females." But while some (like Harrington and Lyons) consider the triumph of the virtual world over the material world a problem to solve, the transmaxxers see it as inevitable. How should we adapt to a society where the immaterial takes precedence over the concrete? The transmaxx response goes something like this: embrace the abstractions, “drop down the pink vortex,” and remake yourself with the help of technology. As one Discord user put it to a lonely, depressed new member considering whether to transmaxx, “u might as well transition, nothing to lose.”

-Sanjana Friedman

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Why are girls and young women suddenly rushing to troon out always talk about "sexualisation" and sexual attention unironically when talking about "how" they realized they were troons? Somehow I don't expect that question being asked anytime soon in media.

Either way, it's good to see the cracks in the trans narrative.. It is now safe to at least talk about the validity of the self title.... with specific groups for now.
I see way more ftms than mtfs, to be honest. The incel to troon pipeline can't explain that one.
 
Transitioning seems like a lot more effort and money than what it takes to get laid. Nobody's REALLY an incel. If these people wanted to get laid, they could act less like asshole weirdos, could get jobs instead of being NEETs, could socialize and put themselves out there, and actually ask girls out because you can't hit a home run if you never swing.

Also, even if they look like Boogie or PPP and are poor, they could still get laid, but probably don't want to settle for a woman as unappealing as they are. ANY incel could hook up with Spoony's stalker, but none would, which really just proves they're beggers being choosers: volcels. All kinds of losers and monsters get laid. Disfigured unemployed convicts have girlfriends. Its really an effort/attitude thing.

Though, when the only place you put yourself out there is Discord, of course the only thing in your life is trannies and being a tranny.
What do you do when every woman you've ever asked out declined/ghosted you? Even the ugly ones?

... asking for a friend.
 
Because not one of them, no matter how well they pass, no matter if they live in a liberal area full of transmaidens and soyboys who validate their identity, no matter how much surgery they get or hormones they take or how much vocal training they get, no matter what they do, has ever been satisfied or ended up living anything closer to their incel fantasy of what they think women's lives are like. Because their fantasys aren't real.

In short, you can't transition to being an anime character.
 
What do you do when every woman you've ever asked out declined/ghosted you? Even the ugly ones?

... asking for a friend.

Try to make money/buy property (sucks in this economy I know), get a dog to keep you sane and get you outside, go do fun man shit, drink with the bros and have some adventures before you get tied down, forget about women (jack it to vanilla softcore stuff and if it's not doing it for you, you are jerking too much) and wait until their bio-clocks start striking midnight (late 20s). When they are 20 and on birth control women only care about looks/charisma, when they are actually looking to get knocked up before the carton empties they start thinking about your other stats, responsibility, income, intelligence... and suddenly they don't just want some cheating prick with three other side girls and a bag of coke.

Of course she can always divorce you 10 years later and leave you living out of a van but that's another adventure all together!
 
Instead of pumping themselves full of girlie drugs these lads should get on a hardcore steroid cycle. Then, when they're muscular freaks, they can get themselves a little twink to dominate.

End result is the same, you're bumming a little sissy fella. You'll look cool as fuck this way though, and other men will respect you now.
The roidtranny meme is real. "You're an insecure young man with body dysmorphia? Shut down your endogenous test production and hop on ERT TRT! Becoming reliant on industrially produced pharmaceuticals for the rest of your life is how to be a true woman!" They'll often seethe about how clinics will freely give out test to FTM while denying them the same. Truly, Assigned Male At Birth Transmen are the most oppressed group in Society :'(
 
What do you do when every woman you've ever asked out declined/ghosted you? Even the ugly ones?

... asking for a friend.
Keep fishing till you get a bite. Most people look at the types of guys who catcall and creep on literally every woman they see as total jokes. What kind of retard woman falls for those guys? But even if its 1/100, or 1/1000, who are so stupid or have such low self esteem that they can be randomly approached, propositioned for sex, and agree... that's actually a really high amount and extremely achieveable if you have no shame yourself. Not specifically advocating that, but it illustrates the power of tenacity. Not just in getting laid or even getting a girlfriend, but you can get far in every aspect of life with tenacity. Most people fear failure though, but the most successful people have tons and tons of failures under their belt. Think of it like Dark Souls.
 
Transitioning seems like a lot more effort and money than what it takes to get laid. Nobody's REALLY an incel. If these people wanted to get laid, they could act less like asshole weirdos, could get jobs instead of being NEETs, could socialize and put themselves out there, and actually ask girls out because you can't hit a home run if you never swing.

Also, even if they look like Boogie or PPP and are poor, they could still get laid, but probably don't want to settle for a woman as unappealing as they are. ANY incel could hook up with Spoony's stalker, but none would, which really just proves they're beggers being choosers: volcels. All kinds of losers and monsters get laid. Disfigured unemployed convicts have girlfriends. Its really an effort/attitude thing.

Though, when the only place you put yourself out there is Discord, of course the only thing in your life is trannies and being a tranny.
There are often a lot of factors at play when it comes to incels, but most of them probably have some form of autism and/or are social outcasts or stunted. Women tend to be more "social" than men in general, so obviously having something that impairs your social skills is not going to be very helpful. Besides, it all can seem pointless when you observe guys who end up with reasonably attractive women without any further context or insider knowledge, but the grass is always greener on the other side. Plus not a lot of women are too interested in video games, anime, swords, or whatever your autistic interest is. Okay maybe they'll be open to capeshit movies or something but you can't really get to know a person via consooming the mindless drivel that passes for "entertainment" in this era.

There's quite a bit of wiggle room for what makes a guy an incel or not, but this whole idea that to be considered "masculine" you have to be smashing twenty different chicks a week or whatever, it's dangerous and leading to warped ideas of what many guys think they need to be just to get their foot in the door.

Might be a contributor as to why a few of these people are deciding maybe to go "female?" If you can't get sex with a woman you can always go for a man?

Also, incels need to understand that they can't change women's behavior and preferences no matter how much they try to "logic" about how "Chad bad" and that nothing will grant them instant results.

And that most of all, there is no one single 100% proven route to getting laid.
Imagine watching porn and deciding that you want to be the woman.

On the other hand, some women secretly enjoy having trains ran on them so who knows.
Incels think that women are constantly having sex and are jealous because they're not getting that Chad cock action.

My theory is that most incels are closeted gay men, or at least try to turn themselves gay, in order to distance themselves from the fact that no woman would ever sexually consider them.
 
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Few things are more worthless than a man so fucking weak and pathetic that he'd rather castrate himself and parasitize off of the first world's wellspring of tolerance in pursuit of an easy life than face the mirror and live. Absolute disgrace.
 
Sounds to me like troons who couldn't take the heat from normies finding out about them grooming kids decided to move on to a different demographic/group where they could continue to coerce and manipulate others into trooning out in peace. These "incels" are just pathetic, weak willed suckers who are easily duped into fucking up their bodies so some pervs can fulfill their fetish. Good job morons. Enjoy your inevitable transition regrets.
 
There are often a lot of factors at play when it comes to incels, but most of them probably have some form of autism and/or are social outcasts or stunted. Women tend to be more "social" than men in general, so obviously having something that impairs your social skills is not going to be very helpful. Besides, it all can seem pointless when you observe guys who end up with reasonably attractive women without any further context or insider knowledge, but the grass is always greener on the other side. Plus not a lot of women are too interested in video games, anime, swords, or whatever your autistic interest is. Okay maybe they'll be open to capeshit movies or something but you can't really get to know a person via consooming the mindless drivel that passes for "entertainment" in this era.

There's quite a bit of wiggle room for what makes a guy an incel or not, but this whole idea that to be considered "masculine" you have to be smashing twenty different chicks a week or whatever, it's dangerous and leading to warped ideas of what many guys think they need to be just to get their foot in the door.

Might be a contributor as to why a few of these people are deciding maybe to go "female?" If you can't get sex with a woman you can always go for a man?

Also, incels need to understand that they can't change women's behavior and preferences no matter how much they try to "logic" about how "Chad bad" and that nothing will grant them instant results.

And that most of all, there is no one single 100% proven route to getting laid.

Incels think that women are constantly having sex and are jealous because they're not getting that Chad cock action.

My theory is that most incels are closeted gay men, or at least try to turn themselves gay, in order to distance themselves from the fact that no woman would ever sexually consider them.
I dispute your theory. It's easy to say "oh they're all just maladjusted losers" but my personal experience doesn't play this out. I have a group of male friends who are all employed and are all reasonably socially skilled. It's just that they don't really have ways to meet women, it seems.

Dating is broken right now, no two ways about it.
 
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There's something seriously wrong with the guy featured on top if he was an incel looking like that.

edit: Found his reddit. That manifesto seems to have just poached his images from online.


He seems to be having doubts.

I've actually always been kinda on the fence whether i'm trans or not. It was hard for me to feel dysphoria as strongly as i felt that i should be feeling it in order to classify as trans, because of my already a bit girly look. Being 5'4 also goes a long way towards making me more feminine. I'm still living life as a girly guy though, havent started transistioning yet :(

 
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Sounds to me like troons who couldn't take the heat from normies finding out about them grooming kids decided to move on to a different demographic/group where they could continue to coerce and manipulate others into trooning out in peace. These "incels" are just pathetic, weak willed suckers who are easily duped into fucking up their bodies so some pervs can fulfill their fetish. Good job morons. Enjoy your inevitable transition regrets.
On the up side, there is finally a way for incels to get laid. Granted there are quite a few guys in that community that are likely to be closet gay there are other people who get sucked in because they have a few social difficulties yet are otherwise not too bad off. It's the younger ones that concern me the most, especially when it's like "I'm 14 and no girls have ever shown any interest in me. Am I one of you?"

Some incels encourage transgender nonsense, others think it's degenerate perversion. It's a fairly divisive issue there
 
@Duke Nukem I've just never understood how some people can place such an importance on sex that they'd be willing to go to various extremes to get laid. Like, sex is great and all, but I've never found it so important that I'd be willing to rent a whore, fuck a dude who had his junk surgically mangled to somewhat resemble a vagina, or have my own manhood butchered into a vagoo lookalike. I've never gotten hard over the idea of my best friend being magically transformed into a chick. I just can't feature that.
 
@Duke Nukem I've just never understood how some people can place such an importance on sex that they'd be willing to go to various extremes to get laid. Like, sex is great and all, but I've never found it so important that I'd be willing to rent a whore, fuck a dude who had his junk surgically mangled to somewhat resemble a vagina, or have my own manhood butchered into a vagoo lookalike. I've never gotten hard over the idea of my best friend being magically transformed into a chick. I just can't feature that.
Honestly I think a lot of the reason they put a lot of emphasis on sex is because we don't really have a universally accepted rite of passage in our society. Modern society especially doesn't give a fuck about the needs of its young men but instead blames them for everything wrong with it, whether factual or perceived. Some may feel like they're disappointments to their families because they feel like they'll be the end of the family line or whatever. Others might just be hedonists and others may simply be otherwise decent guys who don't know how to handle these urges and/or are told these urges are a sin by their religious upbringing, or that they are unattractive and such urges are especially unwelcome in that case.

The sex itself, I suppose you can masturbate to deal with the urges if you're okay with that. Your religion or culture may disdain or forbid it though. I would say that to an incel, the idea of a woman honestly being interested in you in that way is so alien because they perceive others as succeeding at it, and while they'd like to repeat the success themselves they have no idea where to start. And so they end up being sucked into communities like the forums. And it just gets worse from there.

And one more thing, it's okay not to be a pussy magnet. These people more than anyone need to understand that.
 
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