James Cameron's Avatar to get four sequels - The message will still be the same

Seen it. Didn't hate it but consider it aggressively average...but because I post on Kiwi Farms and am thus shamelessly autistic I will be launching into a long rant about all the stuff (I can remember) wrong with it. I'm too tired tonight but I'll try to nail everything before the film swans off to not Polynesia.

For the thread thus far though;
It's anti-gun - main character uses a gun as his sole ranged weapon throughout, many of the natives do too. So...I dunno? But somehow, despite being a Britbong I am somehow bringing up what none of you are. Namely why the shit are all of these looted guns designed for humans being used by 9 foot tall three fingered cat people with no modification?
The fanbase - I am deeply uncomfortable with all the teenage/younger blue alien ass on display knowing that a non-zero amount of the fandom is perving the hell out when it happens
Sigourney Weaver voicing her immaculately conceived daughter - thanks, I just thought they had a wrongly aged actress. Knowing it is her makes it so much worse.

First of all, despite how bad the film is, it did one thing the prior one didn't. It made me interested in another film. There's a lot of stuff that could be run with and made interesting. Unfortunately what we are probably getting is more of the same but worst.

On to the other stuff. I will miss things out but will try to edit in as I go on;

Opening intro/everything about our main character; he has gone heavily into the distinction between himself and the "sky people." To the degree that in a better film it could be seen as a deliberate attempt to distance himself from his own betrayal. Shame this will never be explored in more detail.

I don't know if this was the same in the prior movie but "female lead" has the one earing that looks like those generic ear hoops and it takes me out of the film every time I see it.

The landing sequence as the big bad corporation returns to the planet confirms a single one of those could wipe out the largest of villages of the natives. This is not a war, it's just an ongoing delay before an orbital bombardment,

They bring back everyone's favourite bad guy from the first as a Na'vi along with his team of previously undefined underlings. Awesome. So much potential especially the immortality angle for so many decent bad villains. Ah no, they make these military trained guys so incompetent that they lose a quarter of their number while waiting an extraction because they have to be told by their officer to do basic shit like watching their rear. DAMNIT. I still see potential but seriously fuck this. Also the random animalistic screaming is apparently tied to the body since clone does it when he revives.

I wanted them to make the new commander paraplegic. Her constant use of the armoured suit for things like coffee drinking and other stuff made it look like she might be, the facility is built for her size (and conveniently 9 foot blue cat people) and it would have been an interesting take on the random military leader. Instead she is needlessly indulgent as her specialised team who are the only ones that can get into the area the insurrectionists are hiding are allowed to fuck off to go hunt someone who stopped being relevant to her objectives half an hour into the movie. Great leadership!

The focused on Na'vi family had one child too many at the start of the movie. This was unchanged at the end.

This film was blatantly two movies crudely shoved into one. The first, disgustingly cut short, was about all of these revived soldiers in Na'vi bodies as they took on the tools of the enemy to fight them, eventually leading to the lead abandoning his rebel alliance to draw them away. You can see it in them starting to do the same journey as the original movie with their own spin on it, actual effort was put in to drop names on all these characters who in the finished version had less development than the vampire kill squad in Blade 2.

I don't think I have words for Spider. I will simply for now say that he was treated as just shy of a pet by the main cast to the degree that when captured by the villains I was waiting for the heroes to yell "I'll buy you another one" as they abandoned him.
 
I am hoping, beyond all hope, that the movies doesn't reach its profitable goal and Cameron has to start selling toys of all the human tech and N'avi. Just a whole generation of boys raised to burn the lame blue cat creatures to the ground with their kickass mech/crab suits from the Air & Water mobile launch platforms.
I regret coming back to and re-reading this thread after I got stickered yet again, but this post gave me a weird little and probably off-topic thought.

Do you ever think Paul Verhoeven regrets that his attempt to piss on Heinlein with his Starship Troopers movie completely backfired, and instead made ultra-violence in the pursuit of shameless human expansionism look cool? Because Cameron appears to be in exactly the same boat with Avatar: he's completely fucked up his attempt to make humans look bad and has instead made all their shit badass by having them hunt down gigantic nine-foot-tall murder-furries who have grown up on a world filled with hyper-murderous gigantic beasts and are pretty much jungle Fremen as a result.
 
Do you ever think Paul Verhoeven regrets that his attempt to piss on Heinlein with his Starship Troopers movie completely backfired, and instead made ultra-violence in the pursuit of shameless human expansionism look cool? Because Cameron appears to be in exactly the same boat with Avatar: he's completely fucked up his attempt to make humans look bad and has instead made all their shit badass by having them hunt down gigantic nine-foot-tall murder-furries who have grown up on a world filled with hyper-murderous gigantic beasts and are pretty much jungle Fremen as a result.
No. The last time I remember Verhoeven talking about that movie he was still defending it and comparing it to the modern day political climate.

I kind of do wonder why for hitting all the normal woke points that Avatar never really did catch on with liberals.
 
No. The last time I remember Verhoeven talking about that movie he was still defending it and comparing it to the modern day political climate.

I kind of do wonder why for hitting all the normal woke points that Avatar never really did catch on with liberals.
Wow, Verhoeven is even more of a hack than I realized if he's still screeching about it being totally relevant when it was already attacking his personal, out-of-date strawman when he made it.

As to Avatar, probably because its even more boring than capeshit. There's no memberberries or constant Whedon quips for these people to shamelessly latch onto in place of a personality.
 
I'm honestly not sure why the heck Cameron made that anti-gun comment. Not only is there still a lot of firearm usage in the film, but the heroes very much have to use them in order to stand toe-to-toe with the villains. Heck, one of the opening action scenes is them raiding an RDA transport in order to acquire fricken rifles so they can actually stand a chance. Methinks he's just trying to stay in the good graces of the journalists and all that.

Also, even though I wouldn't call the film a masterpiece or anything like that, there is something to be said about a film not relying on memberberries, constant quips, or connections to a cinematic universe in this day and age. It works fine as an entertaining blockbuster, at least for me, and in my eyes, that's really all it needs to be.

But Top Gun Maverick still does all that stuff better. XD
 
Perhaps some Na'vi tribes would try to make deals with the human forces to gain better weapons or technology they would not otherwise have to give themselves an edge over tribes they do not like or even try and use the human forces as an ally to eradicate rival tribes.

Throughout history, many hunter gatherer societies tried to use explorers or colonists for their own ends against their tribal enemies.
Thats exactly what happened countless times.

Hell thats how Hawaii became unified. White man shows up with his guns and actual sailing ships, King Kahagockufuck buys up all the guns he cans and quickly proceeds to conquer the rest of the islands who are still wielding shark toothed clubs.

7 Years War. Countless tribes ended up allying with the British or French during the conflict to suit their interests.

The fact all the Navi appear to be 100% against working with the humans is another insanely stupid aspect of the movie.
 
Thats exactly what happened countless times.

Hell thats how Hawaii became unified. White man shows up with his guns and actual sailing ships, King Kahagockufuck buys up all the guns he cans and quickly proceeds to conquer the rest of the islands who are still wielding shark toothed clubs.

7 Years War. Countless tribes ended up allying with the British or French during the conflict to suit their interests.

The fact all the Navi appear to be 100% against working with the humans is another insanely stupid aspect of the movie.
I have the feeling the third movie is gonna have a N'avi "Villain" that is just a tribe that is willing to work with the humans and get their technology. Either a (rejected) whole tribe or a outcast of some sort that hates the Earth Mother.
 
I have the feeling the third movie is gonna have a N'avi "Villain" that is just a tribe that is willing to work with the humans and get their technology. Either a (rejected) whole tribe or a outcast of some sort that hates the Earth Mother.
Well, there has been a jungle tribe and water tribe. Will the next Na'vi tribe come from the desert? 🤔
 
Also, even though I wouldn't call the film a masterpiece or anything like that, there is something to be said about a film not relying on memberberries, constant quips, or connections to a cinematic universe in this day and age. It works fine as an entertaining blockbuster, at least for me, and in my eyes, that's really all it needs to be.

But Top Gun Maverick still does all that stuff better. XD
I don't really think it's that great since Avatar only relies on special effects and being a tech demo. That's literally the foundation for the entire franchise and honestly just as bad as capeshit.
 
It's anti-gun - main character uses a gun as his sole ranged weapon throughout, many of the natives do too. So...I dunno? But somehow, despite being a Britbong I am somehow bringing up what none of you are. Namely why the shit are all of these looted guns designed for humans being used by 9 foot tall three fingered cat people with no modification?
I assumed they were using the arms used by the walker and combat suits, given those are about as tall as a full grown Navi and humans use them extensively to compensate for being smaller than native fauna. I will admit I never paid too close attention to see if they were actually using them or not, especially given the film rarely lingers on the cool human tech so it can get more smurf scenes in, so maybe I was just glossing over that detail. Though honestly, the film has so many issues that I would still consider that low on the list of problems.

I'm still wondering how the fuck smurf arrows sail through bulletproof glass like it's nothing.
 
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I don't really think it's that great since Avatar only relies on special effects and being a tech demo. That's literally the foundation for the entire franchise and honestly just as bad as capeshit.
I get that, but still, I'd much rather take a standalone series as opposed to one that requires hours upon hours of extra material to fully appreciate (regardless if Avatar's films are overlong themselves). And hey, sometimes I just simply want to kick back and enjoy a simple popcorn flick, which the Avatar films excel at, at least imo.
I'm still wondering how the fuck smurf arrows sail through bulletproof glass like it's nothing.
It's actually been proven that arrows, with the right amount of force and the correct angle, can indeed pierce through bulletproof glass and armor.
 
I assumed they were using the arms used by the walker and combat suits, given those are about as tall as a full grown Navi and humans use them extensively to compensate for being smaller than native fauna. I will admit I never paid too close attention to see if they were actually using them or not, especially given the film rarely lingers on the cool human tech so it can get more smurf scenes in, so maybe I was just glossing over that detail. Though honestly, the film has so many issues that I would still consider that low on the list of problems.

I'm still wondering how the fuck smurf arrows sail through bulletproof glass like it's nothing.
That would be logical. I'd still argue that the hands on those compared to the Smurfs are too different but it's a nit pick.

The arrows and the fact that at no point have the tactics for the airborn squads evolved at all to the point that they continue to cull the airships with near indistinguishable methods from the first one is humiliating.

Its either going to be Desert for Earth or Volcano/Ash for Fire. The Jungle Tribe counted for the Air element since big C is doing his best to cockblock the Avatar: The Last Airbender series as much as possible.
And an Arctic trip at some point no doubt.
 
Its either going to be Desert for Earth or Volcano/Ash for Fire. The Jungle Tribe counted for the Air element since big C is doing his best to cockblock the Avatar: The Last Airbender series as much as possible.
Cameron may go with cave dwelling Na'vi since an underground setting is probably more visually enticing for special effects than a desert setting.
 
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It's actually been proven that arrows, with the right amount of force and the correct angle, can indeed pierce through bulletproof glass and armor.
And if it was the current day USMC invading Pandora, maybe that would mean anything given the context of the discussion. I'd also bet they were using compound bows with steel broadheads, not recurve bows with stone arrowheads.

That would be logical. I'd still argue that the hands on those compared to the Smurfs are too different but it's a nit pick.

The arrows and the fact that at no point have the tactics for the airborn squads evolved at all to the point that they continue to cull the airships with near indistinguishable methods from the first one is humiliating.
Like I said, it is an issue, it's just very far down the line for me. For context, I've known guys missing fingers who still shot and carried guns and it wasn't usually that big of a deal; one even lost his trigger finger as a cop and just used his middle finger to shoot with. No weapon modifications necessary. Honestly, unless all the Navi were left handed, I don't see how the four fingers would really matter much so long as the guns were large enough to use. As long as you can pull the trigger, rack it, load the mags, I don't really see what handicap it would be.

Yes, the military having the tactics of toddlers and the defensive equipment of modern militaries is one of the many gripes i have with this crappy film. Unfortunately, it was a dumb script written to appeal to dumb people, so that's about to be expected.
 
Unfortunately, it was a dumb script written to appeal to dumb people, so that's about to be expected.
That's really the most disappointing part here. This could have been Aliens meets Predator meets Vietnam (not Aliens vs. Predator, thank God), where mankind decides to resort to the Avatar project because the Na'vi guerillas are just that fucking good at murdering all of us because they're nine-foot tall killing machines with unbreakable carbon fiber bones and other weird-ass shit, but no, we get the worst, stupidest, dumbest environmentalist scripts ever with all of the humans constantly gripping idiot balls in order to make the Na'vi look good.

For the video game, just hire CryTek to slap together Crysis and the first FarCry with a fresh coat of paint.
 
Apparently, the arrowheads used by the Na'vi are made of some sort of glass-like material, which, when combined with their natural strength and the correct angle, leads to them piercing the cockpits. I can understand that it's a bit of a stretch though.

An d hey, I'm not gonna argue the fact that the script isn't exactly the smartest one on the block, nor do I wish that a lot of the suggestions you guys give not have been implemented. But hey, for me at least, it still works well enough as a simple blockbuster, with the added benefit of it not being part of some over long cinematic universe.

Do I think it's a flawless masterpiece.? Of course not. Heck, it is filled with flaws, many of which you guys have brought up. Even so, I can't say I didn't enjoy it fine.
 
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Apparently, the arrowheads used by the Na'vi are made of some sort of glass-like material, which, when combined with their natural strength and the correct angle, leads to them piercing the cockpits. I can understand that it's a bit of a stretch though.
It's always bullshit when tribemen have access to natural resources that outpace human technology, it also completely reduces the environmental point of the film, because humanity needed to advanced technologically BECAUSE nature didn't give them super resources for free.
 
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