Russian Invasion of Ukraine Megathread - Episode III - Revenge of the Ruski (now unlocked with new skins and gameplay modes!!!)

[teriyakiburns]

The Soviet landers that took a few pictures, then ceased operation shortly after, are taught in about grade school.

Failure, shortly after arrival, seems to be a recurring theme in Russian affairs.

Now now, be fair. The venera landers were an incredible technological achievement. They had to survive crushing pressure and insane temperatures, in an atmosphere soaked with acid. The fact that they survived at all is impressive.

Venus is a hellword. There's no chance of colonising it.

Two more weeks,

To crush kiev?

 

[Exterminatus]

Frankly I think this latest cringe shit is due to russia being really, really fucking desperate to put its foot in the diplomatic door enough to try and have a chance to parlay a long term freeze on the conflict with them still holding ukrainian territory indefinitely, with some expectation (or atleast hope) that ukraine and/or the west are just as desperate for peace and too scared of being seen as "warmongers" by their own starving, freezing, and homogayified populations rejecting a ceasefire

Either that or he is pissing away what little remains of russian credibility in order to achieve some especially petty domestic propaganda stunt of "we wanted peace but they keep buwwying us" or somesuch, which is shit they have been vomiting out since the start of the war

It's a two-pronged effort, it makes them seem like good Christians to the domestic Russians that already happily gobble up government fed bullshit (for the Russian Orthodox Church its also a bit of a play to make them still seem like the supreme authority of Slavic orthodoxy despite Ukraine being given religious autonomy by the Patriarch of Constantinople) and it stalls for time because right now Russia need anything that can grind it to a halt and let them try to get away with the land they've already stolen because if the worst comes to pass for Russia and Ukraine manages to completely repel them from the eastern part of the country then that just leaves Crimea and Ukraine has made it clear that the only acceptable outcome is returning to the 1991 borders.

 

[AgendaPoster]

Military Watch:

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Two more weeks,

Just man them with Israelis lmao.

 

[cybertoaster]

This is a 29 D chess move. Ukraine is going to bomb Russian Forces, some spokesman from the Kremlin is gonna throw a little tantrum on television about “ those mean jerkops attacked us on Cwiistmas” to garner domestic support for a second mobilization (completely, ignoring the fact that vatniggers struck civilian targets on both December 25th and New Year’s Day)

Probably because orthodox christmas its on january 7, how many catholics or other christians are there in ukraine?

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I don't see any Russians up there.

They did land this thing, although after apollo. Some of the engineers latter assisted nasa with the first mars rover back in the 90's.

Good times, before all this insanity began.

Now now, be fair. The venera landers were an incredible technological achievement. They had to survive crushing pressure and insane temperatures, in an atmosphere soaked with acid. The fact that they survived at all is impressive.

Venus is a hellword. There's no chance of colonising it.


To crush kiev?

I heard theories that you could build floating cities in venus above the clouds that would be free from all that and you would only need a respirator, not even a spacesuit, but its still though as fuck.

I also think terraforming mars its stupid, better build some o'neill cylinders.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

It's a two-pronged effort, it makes them seem like good Christians to the domestic Russians that already happily gobble up government fed bullshit (for the Russian Orthodox Church its also a bit of a play to make them still seem like the supreme authority of Slavic orthodoxy despite Ukraine being given religious autonomy by the Patriarch of Constantinople) and it stalls for time because right now Russia need anything that can grind it to a halt and let them try to get away with the land they've already stolen because if the worst comes to pass for Russia and Ukraine manages to completely repel them from the eastern part of the country then that just leaves Crimea and Ukraine has made it clear that the only acceptable outcome is returning to the 1991 borders.

It’s interesting how they care about their image of ‘Russia strong’ but have consistently let Armenia, a member of the CSTO, get wrecked. Unfortunately their assumption that we’d do the same to our NATO Allies is extremely dangerous. Not that long ago the US went to war over Kuwait being invaded.

 

[Beak Thing]

Probably because orthodox christmas its on january 7, how many catholics or other christians are there in ukraine?

Actually a fairly large number, over 20% of the population professes a non-Orthodox form of Cristianity. Primarily concentrated towards the western parts of Ukraine I'd imagine but there may be Protestants and other unaffiliated Christians throughout the country.

They did land this thing, although after apollo. Some of the engineers latter assisted nasa with the first mars rover back in the 90's.

Good times, before all this insanity began.

The Soviets failed to complete a lunar landing more than anything because the N-1 failed. In the early 1960s the USSR didn't yet have the technical ability to produce the kind of propellants needed for that rocket, to say nothing of the terrible Nedelin catastrophe that cost the country many skilled rocket scientists and engineers.

However they did focus their efforts on some very important areas like constructing space stations for human habitation as well as sent the only probes to Venus that have landed on its surface. Venera 9 did send an image back which is pretty incredible considering how brutal conditions are on the Venusian surface.

There's also the Soviet space shuttle, Buran which unfortunately never had a chance to go into space before the USSR collapsed and it was stored away in a hangar in Kazakhstan only to be destroyed when the hangar collapsed due to poor maintenance.

I heard theories that you could build floating cities in venus above the clouds that would be free from all that and you would only need a respirator, not even a spacesuit, but its still though as fuck.

I also think terraforming mars its stupid, better build some o'neill cylinders.

You're right, on Venus breathable air like on Earth is actually a lifting gas so the atmosphere of the station itself would keep it aloft with a large enough balloon. That high up, temperatures are pretty much ideal and the colony would be shielded from solar radiation by Venus' atmosphere to the same degree as on Earth.

 

[DumbDude43]

Russia, like the US, lives off stolen valor from WW2, off the fumes of former glory.
Luckily for the Amerimutts they're at least rich... for now

>like the US
no.
unlike the russians, the burgers have repeatedly demonstrated that their military might is indeed extreme, most notably by turbo curbstomping the iraqi army at a time when saddams iraq was considered a strong regional power.

 

[Feline Supremacist]

Latest map


Wagner PMC troops continue their successful offensive in Bakhmut and its suburbs northeast of the city, they have advanced along the Svetlodarsk - Slavyansk highway and reached the southern outskirts of Podgorodnoye village.

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1611162098259607554?s=20&t=YaxwgcYuV-y2okQRwK9cCw

 

[Shovelbird]

It's been a year and rge Blyatskrieg became a drone shitshow with refugees and russians spiking rent prices by tons.

 

[AgendaPoster]

>like the US
no.
unlike the russians, the burgers have repeatedly demonstrated that their military might is indeed extreme, most notably by turbo curbstomping the iraqi army at a time when saddams iraq was considered a strong regional power.

Yes, they invest in the military as much as the rest of the planet or something, maybe more of an honest declaration of imperial desires and expectations than the vacuous "We defend Liberal Democracy" statements.
However, this might is not something that's to be taken as the default state. The military was insane enough to demand vaccine compliance for a very low danger virus, especially for trained young males, and with new products that were proven to not work as expected and be problematic in the exact same population. There has been an opening for transexuals and homosexuals, some of which even spied for Russia, if I remember correctly. Generals like Milley have made very political statement about the white majority population and the various branches of the military have posted numerous propaganda tweets and articles about diversity, equity and inclusion and made extremely loaded and controversial statements.
I want to clarify, I do not expect the US Army to be "eradicate the sandniggers, bitch" and edgy.
I expect it to be inert from a political perspective and serve the US state. I don't expect generals pondering on "white rage". Nor black rage.
And I also expect it to be the most stable socially conservative place in the US. War is serious business. People die. Nobody gives a shit you want to feel included.
In fact, DEI is a serious danger for the US, as it creates a climate of racial awareness and discontent. People in the army are there to serve and obey orders, not to demand equity and reparations.
These are very serious systemic cracks in the military of the US. Yes, there is no denying it's by far the strongest now, largely because of technical superiority.
But how many of the people in it actually despise the US colonial project?
Do you see the dangers ahead?
BTW the Iraq thing was fearsome not because Iraqis had a serious army, cause they didn't have one.
It was fearsome because of the strategy, the blitz, the high tech warfare from both ground and air and the cold professionalism shown by the US. That era was different and that US was different too.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Probably because orthodox christmas its on january 7, how many catholics or other christians are there in ukraine?

About 1/3 of Ukrainians celebrate Christmas on December 25th.

 

[Blewberry Nausea]

Um is @Givi dead? I hope he isn’t because he was a good poster and I’d rather some cowardly Ukie bro who fled to Poland yet still raves for Ukraine because he is too scared to commit to his own cause died instead. I don’t mean anyone in particular because what kind of SIMPERING PIG would root for Ukraine yet flee Ukraine when asked to actually pit up or shut up? Surely no one on KF.

 

[Napoleon Bonerfart]

Um is @Givi dead? I hope he isn’t because he was a good poster and I’d rather some cowardly Ukie bro who fled to Poland yet still raves for Ukraine because he is too scared to commit to his own cause died instead. I don’t mean anyone in particular because what kind of SIMPERING PIG would root for Ukraine yet flee Ukraine when asked to actually pit up or shut up? Surely no one on KF.

I’d rather nobody died. The second mobilization Putin will announce next week brings me no joy.

 

[Ghostse]

Vantiks trying to do anything to draw attention away from the fact their embarrassing Slav-on-Slav adventure is making them look like retards, even triggering my space autism. When the US gets picked apart by an insurgency, we have the goddamn common courtesy to have toppled the government and seized the capital first. And not to try to make the place the 51st state after exiling all the natives.

The Soviet landers that took a few pictures, then ceased operation shortly after, are taught in about grade school.

Failure, shortly after arrival, seems to be a recurring theme in Russian affairs.

TBF we're spoiled by NASA engineers who under-promise and over deliver. Spirit and Opportunity were originally planned for 90-day operating windows.

Now now, be fair. The venera landers were an incredible technological achievement. They had to survive crushing pressure and insane temperatures, in an atmosphere soaked with acid. The fact that they survived at all is impressive.

Venus is a hellword. There's no chance of colonising it.

Its possible, but colonizing Venus would require MASSIVE reconstitution of the atmosphere. Even if you pull this off, Venus's core is super active (which is where the sulfuric acid came from) but because there's no ocean and it is (nearly) tidally locked, there are no plate tectonics to allow a gradual, global venting of excess heat from the core. Instead, Venus has massive, catastrophic events on the scale of "A quarter of the planet flooded with lava" when the internal forces of the planet become too great for miles of rock to constrain anymore.

There are extra fun problems that people don't think about, such as Venus being nearly-but-not-quite tidally locked to the sun. presuming you fixed the atmosphere to earth-like, you could run your base on solar, but you'd need to keep it moving accross the surface or it'll be a long dark night.
Additionally with no magnetosphere, you and everything else will be getting constant solar bombardment. Due to the way the planets formed, the closer to the sun the heavier the elements - so Venus has lots of radioactive elements.
(This is a problem on Mars as well, but Mars is farther from the sun so the radiation is less, and being further from the sun, less geologic radiation)

I heard theories that you could build floating cities in venus above the clouds that would be free from all that and you would only need a respirator, not even a spacesuit, but its still though as fuck.

You need a lead-lined suit because there's no magnetic field, and Venus is rotten with heavy (read: radioactive) elements.
Additionally there are the 300-700mph winds to contend with.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I’d rather nobody died. The second mobilization Putin will announce next week brings me no joy.

Think he's going to go all in and order a general mobilization?

 

[introvertedobserver]

Think he's going to go all in and order a general mobilization?

I think before this all ends he's gonna start slinging tactical nukes* at Ukraine out of desperation/frustration.

* Tactical nukes aren't the city deleters, they're much smaller and meant to be used against military targets instead of entire regions. Their use wouldn't cause strategic level nukes to be launched in retaliation. Their use might cause NATO to immediately Wardec Russia though, but the threat of full strategic nuclear warfare might keep NATO from declaring total war.

 

[RobotDog]

Think he's going to go all in and order a general mobilization?

Not him, he is just regurgitating the words of Oleksii Reznikov, Ukraine's Minister of Defence, he said this week Russia would order another mobilization and would close its borders for fighting age men, like Ukraine did, now the khokhols are moving the date, its no longer this week, its 2 weeks, next month and so on

 

[🇷🇺Fuck Ukraine🇷🇺]

Not him, he is just regurgitating the words of Oleksii Reznikov, Ukraine's Minister of Defence, he said this week Russia would order another mobilization and would close its borders for fighting age men, like Ukraine did, now the khokhols are moving the date, its no longer this week, its 2 weeks, next month and so on
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I'm sorry, you're incorrect here, Russia has mobilized it's entire population four times over because a Ukratard soldier threw a grenade into a letterbox and killed 450,000 Russians....just ask Ukrainian intelligence (I know it's an oxymoron just roll with it).

Also Russia is out of missiles turns out they're just trebuchet-ing in paratroops now and hoping for the best..... Ukraine said so, so it must be true.

That defence minister needs to rename himself "Nostra-dumbass" his predictions are just as stupid as the Amerimutt supporters here.

 

[draggs]

Latest map

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Wagner PMC troops continue their successful offensive in Bakhmut and its suburbs northeast of the city, they have advanced along the Svetlodarsk - Slavyansk highway and reached the southern outskirts of Podgorodnoye village.

https://twitter.com/AZgeopolitics/status/1611162098259607554?s=20&t=YaxwgcYuV-y2okQRwK9cCw

Impressive. The front line northeast of Bakhmut was at Prokovske on August 1st, 2022. In the ensuing 20 and 1/2 weeks of heavy fighting, the line in this sektur has advanced about 4 miles to the west and is now at the southern outskirts of Podgorodnoye!

About 4 miles in 5 months and one week. The rodina can joyously celebrate this victory. We can also look at the line here on July 1st, when it was on the eastern outskirts of Prokovske. So, in 6 months and one week, the line there has changed about 4 and 1/2 miles in Russia's favor. Even more joyous a triumph.

In the southeast, the front line was just on the eastern side of Klynove, and is now about a quarter mile east of Ivanhrad. A true and honest blitzkrieg advancing about 6 miles in 6 months and one week, an average of (barely) less than 1 mile a month.

I don't know how Ukraine can survive with Russian advances like this.

 

[Ghostse]

I think before this all ends he's gonna start slinging tactical nukes* at Ukraine out of desperation/frustration.

* Tactical nukes aren't the city deleters, they're much smaller and meant to be used against military targets instead of entire regions. Their use wouldn't cause strategic level nukes to be launched in retaliation. Their use might cause NATO to immediately Wardec Russia though, but the threat of full strategic nuclear warfare might keep NATO from declaring total war.

I've learned to never say never, but if Russia uses even tac-nukes, the rest of the world will have no choice but to respond. This is how you lose China - who TBF isn't really doing anything, but "not being against us" is huge.
The reason is Ukraine is not an existential threat to Russia, just to their expansion plans. Having to use Nukes on Ukraine not only makes you look unstable, but worse than that it makes you look weak.

I do believe its possible Putin might give the order, but I doubt anyone with warhead access will obey.

Also remember that Russia's "Nuke Triad", in a conflict against NATO/US, is really a monoad. They don't have any advanced stealth strategic bombers. Back in the day, the operating ceilings of cold war bombers made them interceptor-resistant, but that was seriously degraded in the 80s and now is practically a non-factor. As a strike against NATO, their bombers are nearly a non-threat; they are still a threat for less militarily evolved neighbors though.

The US has B-2 spirit (and soon B-24 raiders) which is able to operate at high ceilings, with stealth, and incredible endurance. A B-2 Spirit could take off from Guam, and be going anywhere in the world. So if you are Russia, even if you suspect this a real mission targeting you and not the US fucking with you, you don't know where those bomebr will be coming at you from. They could even seem to be heading west, and the swing north and then strike St. Petersburg from the Barent sea.

Russia has boomers, but Russian boomers lack the stealth and operational capabilities that US subs have. An Ohio class can creep near the shore and launch submerged without support. Russian boomers need to have their surface navy pull security. Unlike the US where sub launches are a viable surprise first or immediate retaliatory strike from anywhere, Russian subs are ground-based launchers at sea.
(Also the US has enough nuclear attack subs they could task two subs to every Russian boomer, including the ones in drydock, and still have a few idle.)
Given the prevalence of US space imaging, and sub-fleet disparity, the "good enough" stealth and need to operate with surface navy security turns out to have not been that bad in the long term, and efforts that would have gone into trying to make them stealthy enough for independent blue-water operations were probably better spent somewhere else.